Only 10% in the US do not have medical insurance

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Have you every had private health insurance before? Because last I checked, you decide what healthcare you want covered and by which company. You get what you pay for. In a world of socialized medicine, you have unelected bureaucrats acting as "death panels" deciding what things the government will pay for and who gets priority.
I’ve always had private insurance.

As for the rest of your statement - you clearly haven’t dealt with private insurance companies if you believe that’s true.

And you also clearly haven’t ever asked anyone on government insurance who previously had private (eg medicare/Medicaid) Which was more restrictive on their care
 
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Have you every had private health insurance before? Because last I checked, you decide what healthcare you want covered and by which company. You get what you pay for. In a world of socialized medicine, you have unelected bureaucrats acting as "death panels" deciding what things the government will pay for and who gets priority.
You ever heard of managed care?
 
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Like repealing the failed Affordable Care Act that drove insurance premiums up by an average of 147% in the last 10 years

The ACA hasn't been in effect for 10 years. Another example of the Obama time machine in action.

And it isn't like insurance premiums weren't going up in the 2000s, either.
 
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So your solution give the government more power to decide who gets healthcare.

Given the number of uninsured has basically been cut in half since the ACA was passed, it looks like they're doing better getting people health care than the private sector. So what's the issue again?
 
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Perhaps in a fantasy land where there is an unlimited supply of money, doctors, and health service workers that would be possible. But in the real world, at some point the government is going to have to ration healthcare by deciding who gets what treatments.

Assuming your claim is true, why is it any better when some paper-pusher at a for profit private company makes the same decision?
 
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And a Republican controlled House and Senate and White House couldn’t it forth anything but that? What was that Republican plan and where did it go?

Republican plan

1. Don't get sick.
2. If you do get sick, die quickly.

(Thank you Rep. Grayson)
 
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And a Republican controlled House and Senate and White House couldn’t it forth anything but that? What was that Republican plan and where did it go?

From what I saw, the Republican plan was to get rid of anything with Obama in the nickname and figure out the rest after that. And from what I can tell, the second part was optional.
 
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From what I saw, the Republican plan was to get rid of anything with Obama in the nickname and figure out the rest after that. And from what I can tell, the second part was optional.
lol the funny part is when the republicans were half heartedly trying to come up with a plan, McConnell was warning them not to call it “Trumpcare” Because “people would automatically object to it based on the name”
 
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lol the funny part is when the republicans were half heartedly trying to come up with a plan, McConnell was warning them not to call it “Trumpcare” Because “people would automatically object to it based on the name”
Glad he was unconcerned with the "losing their health insurance" part.

Oh wait, that's a feature, not a bug.
 
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Given the number of uninsured has basically been cut in half since the ACA was passed, it looks like they're doing better getting people health care than the private sector. So what's the issue again?
35 million uninsured.
 
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Medicare is not the VA. And everyone who uses the VA in my area is quite happy with the service they get.
Depends on the area
 
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Depends on the area
As has been noted, but the VA isn’t really the issue (or I should say is a separate issue) in the universal coverage debate. I was responding to another poster who wants to cite only the worst cases of health care coverage and use that to represent the future of any Democratic plan put forward. My point was that not even the VA is all doom and gloom.

Fortunately Medicare is managed completely differently to the VA and does not have the same problems. Medicare for all is a proposal that can work and would benefit the whole population but the discussion does not need to be limited to a Medicare for all option. We just need Congress to put aside their petty divide and actually do their jobs!
 
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If you have health insurance with a high annual deductible as many Americans do these days, do you really have health insurance? Or do you have catastrophic event coverage?

I pay for health insurance I never use, and still I pay thousands out of pocket due to a high deductible because I'm sick but not "sick enough."
 
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If you have health insurance with a high annual deductible as many Americans do these days, do you really have health insurance? Or do you have catastrophic event coverage?

I pay for health insurance I never use, and still I pay thousands out of pocket due to a high deductible because I'm sick but not "sick enough."
I remember in the 90's when I started working right out of college that there were different plans available from my employer and one of them was called a "catastrophic" plan. It was no money out of pocket, the employer paid the premiums which were low, and it basically covered you for anything over $10,000.

I look at my plans today and the best available has a deductible for one person of over $6,000 and actually more with the various co-pays and co-insurance I would have to pay if it got to that point. And I always think this to myself, that this "full boat" coverage I have is really yesterday's "catastrophic" plan.

Another time I got a catastrophic plan was when I was briefly unemployed and between jobs as I could afford it at only a hundred and change a month and it would protect me from going bankrupt should I become severely ill or injured. My plan today costs me and my employer way more and barely provides any more coverage than that "catastrophic" plan I was able to pay out of pocket while unemployed.
 
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Have you ever had private health insurance before? Because last I checked, you DON'T decide what healthcare you want covered and by which company. No, you get what your employer offers you.
...or you get something better somewhere else. Doing away with private insurance and adopting a government health system is essentially like everyone being forced to work for the same crappy company and actually "forced" to take the same crappy healthcare they offer you.
 
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Probably the 10% that don't care anyway because, when they get sick they just go to the emergency and then never pay the bill.
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In Ca, Since Obama care, if you don't have insurance. You go to the ER. They give emergency medical if your to poor enough.Then permanent medical. I dont know what other states do this. Just because someone can't pay the ER , then hospital bills. It doesn't mean they don't care. It basically means the can't pay the bill.
 
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The ACA hasn't been in effect for 10 years. Another example of the Obama time machine in action.

And it isn't like insurance premiums weren't going up in the 2000s, either.
You are correct that the ACA hasn't been in effect for 10 years. But the effects were beginning before it was in effect.
 
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And the over 30 million without health insurance? Do you just ignore them because YOU are doing fine? There was a time in this country where we would sacrifice so others could have it better than we did. Where if we could make it so others didn’t have to suffer through the trials we did we would and take pride in being able to do so. That’s what made America great. Instead today we have “I got mine, screw the rest.” That attitude is what’s wrong with this country.

How much are you willing to pay for someone else's insurance?
 
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