Mass Shooting Overreaction

Sparagmos said:

This is a really immature deflection. Clearly you can’t answer the question without admitting you thought Chicago was higher on the list. Likely because you consume right wing media that wants you to believe that.

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That's quite an assumption, and irrelevant.

It's still ignored.

*crickets*

usexpat97 said:

That's why I say my blood pressure drops a good 10 points every time I clear customs leaving the US.

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Me too! The last time we got out and kissed the ground.

OldWiseGuy said:

Shop online. Problem solved.

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So now everyone Amazons their stuff and holes up in their homes. Bye bye community. How many Americans even hang out with their next-door neighbors regularly as it is?

And this is going to make the problem better?

OldWiseGuy said:

You are referring to suicide stats. Of course people are going to prefer guns. They are very effective for that purpose. But that's a whole other topic, but sadly and dishonestly conflated with the gun violence being discussed in an attempt to make the problem look much worse than it is.

For many "Suicide isn't a problem, it's a solution."

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Yes, suicide deaths make up a huge (largest?) percentage of gun deaths. Owning one means a suicidal person could use it in a weak moment.

OldWiseGuy said:

Among others. What news agency would ignore Chicago's gun violence?

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What news agencies focus first on Chicago when it’s not even in the top 10?

usexpat97 said:

So now everyone Amazons their stuff and holes up in their homes. Bye bye community. How many Americans even hang out with their next-door neighbors regularly as it is?

And this is going to make the problem better?

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Actually, I tend to think the loss of community is part of the larger problem.

OldWiseGuy said:

Are you saying that hunting and target shooting leads to mass murder? That what the anti's are saying. Repent, please.

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Not at all. I am saying that sport shooters and 2nd Amendment advocates place their desire to have guns as a higher priority than the safety and security of the country as a whole. I think we have it backwards. That's all.

brinny said:

And you just ignored it. Chicago is just an example of the on-going violent deaths that continue, including this past week-end.

And it's ignored.

*crickets*

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Start a topic on it.

RDKirk said:

Start a topic on it.

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It's perfectly on topic in this thread, as it accentuates a complete lack of outrage that is inconsistent and "selective".

Sickening.

seeking.IAM said:

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I was raised in a hunting/fishing/shooting culture. It's what men in my family did. It's what I taught my sons to do. Nonetheless I think a person's right to have a good time hunting and shooting targets is outweighed by the right of others to live their lives peacefully and safely. It's way past time for this country to do something about gun violence. I'm sick of it.

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I agree. Maybe we need to have tougher laws to ownership. A mental health exam every 2 or 3 years. And the complete ban of assault weapons. Banning regular guns wouldn't be a good idea, because criminals will still have guns regardless of the laws. So people need an option to protect themselves and their families. Also, people should be able to hunt and sport where it's allowed by law. But there is just no need for a civilian to own an assault weapon.

Sparagmos said:

Yes, suicide deaths make up a huge (largest?) percentage of gun deaths. Owning one means a suicidal person could use it in a weak moment.

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Most successful suicides are well thought out.

FenderTL5 said:

Actually, I tend to think the loss of community is part of the larger problem.

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I think 'community' is a characteristic of small towns, not large cities.

seeking.IAM said:

Not at all. I am saying that sport shooters and 2nd Amendment advocates place their desire to have guns as a higher priority than the safety and security of the country as a whole. I think we have it backwards. That's all.

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I don't see the connection, or what you're driving at.

Petunia said:

I agree. Maybe we need to have tougher laws to ownership. A mental health exam every 2 or 3 years. And the complete ban of assault weapons. Banning regular guns wouldn't be a good idea, because criminals will still have guns regardless of the laws. So people need an option to protect themselves and their families. Also, people should be able to hunt and sport where it's allowed by law. But there is just no need for a civilian to own an assault weapon.

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A rifle with a 30 round magazine is a great defensive weapon. Having a spare at the ready is a good idea as well.

brinny said:

NOBODY talks about the violent deaths in Chicago, on an on-going tragic basis. They KEEP occurring.

Yet, all we got is...

*crickets*

nauseating.

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That’s because the majority occur in crime-ridden drug and gang-infested neighborhoods where violence is the norm.

People don’t normally go to Walmart and fail to return. That’s abnormal.

LaBèlla said:

That’s because the majority occur in crime-ridden drug and gang-infested neighborhoods where violence is the norm.

People don’t normally go to Walmart and fail to return. That’s abnormal.

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You just described a "war zone".

"War zones" are not "normal", or shouldn't be.

That just indicates how "forgotten" and rendered "invisible" they are, including all of the deaths that were caused by violence.

The silence is deafening.

brinny said:

You just described a "war zone".

"War zones" are not "normal", or shouldn't be.

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No they shouldn’t but in many places that’s the state of things. I was in one neighborhood several years ago. It looked like a scene from Afghanistan. I did a double take it was so unreal.

That just indicates how "forgotten" and rendered "invisible" they are, including all of the deaths that were caused by violence.

The silence is deafening.

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They’re contained. That’s really the whole of it. As long as they’re slaughtering one another and aren’t venturing elsewhere little is said.

You don’t have to deal with it. Look at it. Or live near it. One area is an oasis and another is hell on earth.

FenderTL5 said:

Actually, I tend to think the loss of community is part of the larger problem.

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Yes however Globalization has played a role as the market become more globalized, the local community been crushed, and nehigbors who use to hang out now rather shop online , or play games online.

OldWiseGuy said:

I think 'community' is a characteristic of small towns, not large cities.

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Older city design was more conducive to community.

Orthodoxjay1 said:

Yes however Globalization has played a role as the market become more globalized, the local community been crushed, and nehigbors who use to hang out now rather shop online , or play games online.

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Agree and even more, suburban communities are planned so that no one sees their neighbors. Streets without sidewalks, high speed arterials without sidewalks that requires a car... And one person per car... No transit. Policemen that are never seen, unless they're on a call.. it's systemic.

Orthodoxjay1 said:

Yes however Globalization has played a role as the market become more globalized, the local community been crushed, and nehigbors who use to hang out now rather shop online , or play games online.

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You know, Walmart has had a similar negative effect on communities. The smaller shops can't compete and go out of business. The same with other large box stores. I won't even go into their employment practices.