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There are clearly people who need assistance and others who are determined to secure support with no effort. We haven’t succeeded in finding the right formula.
Look no doubt there are people that need legit help! Hence why I say believe it is impossible to lean a particular way before the subject matter. But, look, the world is imbalance - was never meant to be like this - so there will never been a *RIGHT FORMULA* especially from man - the RIGHT FORMULA is Christ! =]
I love the city but I need to be in a gated community away from the madness.
Gated communities are nice!
The person I’m looking for isn’t on the Internet in a forum or on a dating app. I’ll meet him in the venues and events he frequents.
Yeah how it should be really. Not saying people don't have success stories on such mediums but meeting people in life is the way!
It sounds like you’re on the right track. I’m happy to hear you’re making progress. God is good.
THANKS!
I’ve benefitted immensely from that approach. Your life will change and so will your mindset. You’ll see doors open that will blow your mind. And you may find yourself living differently than others.
Yeah - I know see reading the bible as a way to increase knowledge tbh - I was reading a bit of the book of Hosea - seeing how he dealt with being forced to marry a prostitute - very interesting - cos from that you can also see what God 'approves' (I use that word loosely but I think the word is FORGIVES) leading up to marriage. Also that there is hope for the fornicator sinner.
Just hold on. He knows the way through everything you’re experiencing. He can turn the messes into miracles for His glory.
Of course
 
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But, look, the world is imbalance - was never meant to be like this - so there will never been a *RIGHT FORMULA* especially from man - the RIGHT FORMULA is Christ! =]

No it wasn’t. There was a time when you’d encounter an oddball every now and then. But I’m seeing them more frequently and many look relatively normal. People are unraveling and I’m honestly looking forward to being overseas for awhile.

No place is perfect but I don’t see our country improving anytime soon. The downward spiral is evident and I’m uncertain where the bottom is.

Yeah - I know see reading the bible as a way to increase knowledge tbh - I was reading a bit of the book of Hosea - seeing how he dealt with being forced to marry a prostitute - very interesting - cos from that you can also see what God 'approves' (I use that word loosely but I think the word is FORGIVES) leading up to marriage. Also that there is hope for the fornicator sinner.

That’s a powerful story. I stumbled on the videos I shared when I was helping him. He’d kept something from me and I figured it out. And it bothered me. The half-truth was affecting my heart.

In hindsight, I know it was a combination of self-preservation and his awareness that I would never say yes. He understood my position but hoped (expected) I’d change my mind.

When I saw the first video I cried. I needed to forgive him and open my heart once more. I was becoming indifferent. But after I watched the series I repented and prayed for both of us. Then I apologized to him.

In many ways that was a picture of us. He crossed lines I never would on my own. But the wrong influence and a loving heart can lead to unhealthy compromises.

While I would easily say no to others I may not do the same in that case. The esteem and respect I held for him exceeded other men. I could make compromises on his behalf that I’d never contemplate for someone else.

The Lord knew He had break that up before I lost my head. ~lol

I think it’s clear that marriage requires a lot of grace. There will be many disappointments and hurts. But we can’t pull away from one another. We have to forgive and do it continually. The rubber band can stretch but we can’t let it break.
 
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I’m uncertain where the bottom is.
haha yeah the grass always greener on the other side - truth is people hate the country they live ^_^

BTW do you cycle?

In many ways that was a picture of us. He crossed lines I never would on my own. But the wrong influence and a loving heart can lead to unhealthy compromises.
Ah! Yeah when we are *in love* we do things we wouldn't in a sober mind
The Lord knew He had break that up before I lost my head. ~lol
All things happen for a reason - bottom line - you are in a good spot now.
There will be many disappointments and hurts.
Yeah some hurts and disappointments far more painful than others however!
 
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haha yeah the grass always greener on the other side - truth is people hate the country they live ^_^
BTW do you cycle?

I don’t hate America. I don’t like what’s happening and the impact its having on our minds and hearts.

Yes. I bought a bike last year and wore a skirt to test it out. I originally wanted a cruiser for the cute factor but ended up with a hybrid instead. Super cute of course because that’s a must!

Do you ride?

Ah! Yeah when we are *in love* we do things we wouldn't in a sober mind

That was sin. I can’t blame love for that. This is why you need the right person at the helm.

All things happen for a reason - bottom line - you are in a good spot now.

Yeah I am. I use my mistakes to bless others.

Yeah some hurts and disappointments far more painful than others however!

True. You don’t know what you could handle until you’re there.
 
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I don’t hate America. I don’t like what’s happening and the impact its having on our minds and hearts.

Yes. I bought a bike last year and wore a skirt to test it out. I originally wanted a cruiser for the cute factor but ended up with a hybrid instead. Super cute of course because that’s a must!

Do you ride?
Okay maybe not HATE but INDIFFERENT ^_^

I am gonna get a bike yes - CYCLE MORE! It is fun! Might even just cycle to work come September =^_^=

A skirt wearing cyclist: TOP CLASS!!!!!!

That was sin. I can’t blame love for that. This is why you need the right person at the helm.
yeah sure when you cut it down it is sin for sure!
True. You don’t know what you could handle until you’re there.
Yeah cos I think adultery in marriage is a killer.............................really heartbreaking man :(
Not cool - even in a sinful relationship it sucks - but in a marriage UNDER GOD I mean that is SOUL SHATTERING not cool! People must learn once married to keep themselves quiet!
 
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Okay maybe not HATE but INDIFFERENT ^_^

I love it here. I could live overseas for a time or portion of the year but this would always be home. I can’t abandon my people. That’s more than skin deep. ;-)

I am gonna get a bike yes - CYCLE MORE! It is fun! Might even just cycle to work come September =^_^=

It’s fun and there’s a huge cycling community. There’s events around the world for enthusiasts.

A skirt wearing cyclist: TOP CLASS!!!!!!

It made sense at the time. But you need the right skirt and padded shorts. I didn’t realize this at that time.

Yeah cos I think adultery in marriage is a killer.............................really heartbreaking man :(
Not cool - even in a sinful relationship it sucks - but in a marriage UNDER GOD I mean that is SOUL SHATTERING not cool! People must learn once married to keep themselves quiet!

Betrayal has always been a one way ticket to Azkaban. It’s forgivable but the breach of trust is damaging. Adultery is at the top of the heap. My flesh says pivot but my faith says otherwise.

I don’t share and I’m not the sort to argue or make a scene. If he wants another I’d let him go. I won’t beat him over the head or guilt him into behaving.

I’m not going to police or babysit my partner. We’ve got to be on the same page and equally committed. For some people that’s impossible. They like the idea of monogamy but reality is something else. They can’t do it.

I prefer a preventive approach. It won’t guarantee the absence of infractions but it won’t happen because I failed to ask questions or understand how he ticks and the way he processes pain, setbacks, anger and fear.

That begins with several conversations on sex. I need to know what he’s done, what he likes, his curiosities, and forbidden things he’s afraid to admit.

Getting that on the table is beneficial for each. He must feel comfortable admitting his needs without shame or fear. And I need to understand his sexuality and its influences.

A man may not admit he’s addicted to inappropriate contentography. But if you ask the right questions you can figure it out. You can minimize surprises with frank discussions before you commit. You need to know what you’re agreeing to.
 
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I love it here.
I love the United Kingdom too!!! =D (But I think we are really stupid in certain areas) wouldn't swap Premier League football for anything else!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEW SEASON ON SATURDAY!!!! :hearteyes:

It’s fun and there’s a huge cycling community. There’s events around the world for enthusiasts.
Yeah awesome! Well for me will be for commuting come September - but if there are cool events that could be a cool new hobby! Meet new people!

It made sense at the time. But you need the right skirt and padded shorts. I didn’t realize this at that time.
LOL only Miss Bella can pull of that look! Do your thing! ^_-

It’s forgivable but the breach of trust is damaging. Adultery is at the top of the heap. My flesh says pivot but my faith says otherwise.
Beyond damaging(!)
I don’t share and I’m not the sort to argue or make a scene. If he wants another I’d let him go. I won’t beat him over the head or guilt him into behaving.
It sucks cos you think now you are married just you two nobody else - what you to do is your business and sacred - and then gets violated - marriage bed must be kept holy - otherwise might as well be some fornicating partner.
But truth is - if somebody has it in them to violate the bed then it is what it is - and I think the past is a good indication of where the future goes (and shouldn't use this against somebody cos people can change) but if somebody has cheated in the past like that - chances are they will do it to you as well.......the saying *a zebra never changes its stripes* - *leopard doesn't change its spots* some sayings hold truth for a reason. So that saying *don't make a ho a housewife* speaks truth. Just be with somebody that has the same fear of God as you from the jump and be done.

Of course married Christians cheat unfortunately (shouldn't have to use the prefix MARRIED - that should be standard) but then did they ever really value the word to begin with? Did they ever really value their spouse to begin with? Cos I am sorry I am married to a woman and she has sex with somebody else that is gut wrenching - vomit inducing - not cool. That is YOUR woman she belongs to you (LIKEWISE YOU BELONG TO HER!!!!) you are ONE FLESH under God.

I am sorry betrayal on that level behind somebody's back is destroying (maybe cos I have experience of that from that fornciational sin relationship) glad it was not marriage in that sense - but still not cool.

That is why people really need to know if they wanna be married.

Many men that reach age of 40+ and still no kids or ever married and only then they get married - people say OOOOOOOOOO TOO LATE but maybe not! Cos then you are a mature man - and your vision of what you see as a suitable woman is SERIOUS compared to the age of 18 - I mean damn if I married a girl I had a liking for at 18 erughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :mask::mask::mask::mask::mask::mask:

So I see why people do wait till certain ages - of course you have wise young people too - but generally older age 38+ then married an settled (mature in mind and what they seek) not married to somebody cos they have nice hips or whatever (being mild there) they are married to build with them.

(I am going on a bit) but a girlfriend of mine I am cool with - she always says *YA YOUNG NO NEED TO RUSH TAKES TIME TO FIND RIGHT PERSON NOT EASY NEVER RUSH THIS* and she is right!

Cos many people settled in late teens - early 20 and have army of kids and never married - everyone stay in their own lane and not look in other people's lane.
hat begins with several conversations on sex. I need to know what he’s done, what he likes, his curiosities, and forbidden things he’s afraid to admit.
Yeah - it is everything - I have always said if somebody talks about sex from the VERY beginning - that is a red flag - cos your first convos should be about each other - sex should be near the end when you are looking to marry etc (cos sex is a bog standard human function even rats and mice have sex not brain surgery) just about knowing their history likes dislikes etc etc - compromises - that is why PRE MARTIAL SCREENINGS are a must in all areas not just cos of STIs but what genes the other person might be carrying an how it might affect the child etc etc.

A man may not admit he’s addicted to inappropriate contentography. But if you ask the right questions you can figure it out. You can minimize surprises with frank discussions before you commit. You need to know what you’re agreeing to.
Well tbh I think most men get their sexual fantasies from adult films and want to play them out (WOMEN INCLUDED).

I am not gonna lie things I was looking to play out with previous.

Truth is if both parties really wanna please one another it is a natural act of love - course certain crazy things I would never be doing! But you get the idea.
 
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I love the United Kingdom too!!! =D (But I think we are really stupid in certain areas) wouldn't swap Premier League football for anything else!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEW SEASON ON SATURDAY!!!! :hearteyes:

I’ve heard that’s pretty popular. ;-)

Yeah awesome! Well for me will be for commuting come September - but if there are cool events that could be a cool new hobby! Meet new people!

There are local events and larger ones taking place all the time. Cycling is very communal. That’s one of the benefits of taking it up. I’ve received great advice from other riders that helped me with my first purchase.

It sucks cos you think now you are married just you two nobody else - what you to do is your business and sacred - and then gets violated - marriage bed must be kept holy - otherwise might as well be some fornicating partner.

It’s out of bounds. We don’t morph into new people when we marry. We bring the behaviors and habits we always had. That’s why its important to understand a person’s coping mechanism. Is it self-destructive or directed towards others? We default to our norm when life gets difficult unless we’ve established new habits in their place.

Of course married Christians cheat unfortunately (shouldn't have to use the prefix MARRIED - that should be standard) but then did they ever really value the word to begin with? Did they ever really value their spouse to begin with?

You’ve got to put the brakes on when you’re skidding. We’re all susceptible to something and it’s better to know your weaknesses going in. Ideally, you didn’t pair with someone whose apt to irritate them. We each have things that bring a whistle and timeout without a second thought. I look for that early on.

I am sorry betrayal on that level behind somebody's back is destroying (maybe cos I have experience of that from that fornciational sin relationship) glad it was not marriage in that sense - but still not cool.

It is. But you can’t get help if you won’t admit you’re drowning.

So I see why people do wait till certain ages - of course you have wise young people too - but generally older age 38+ then married an settled (mature in mind and what they seek) not married to somebody cos they have nice hips or whatever (being mild there) they are married to build with them.

I’m glad I didn’t do it before I came to Christ and have the wisdom and patience to wait for the right suitor. The biggest draw for me at the moment is love. Not the sort we hear about. But how he speaks and behaves in relation to others. Especially those who feel differently or aren’t believers. The nitty gritty faith is what I pay attention to. Cause that’s what I’m really getting underneath it all.

Yeah - it is everything - I have always said if somebody talks about sex from the VERY beginning - that is a red flag - cos your first convos should be about each other - sex should be near the end when you are looking to marry etc (cos sex is a bog standard human function even rats and mice have sex not brain surgery) just about knowing their history likes dislikes etc etc - compromises - that is why PRE MARTIAL SCREENINGS are a must in all areas not just cos of STIs but what genes the other person might be carrying an how it might affect the child etc etc.

You need a healthy attitude about physical intimacy to have those discussions. Whether you’re experienced or not. Meeting one another’s needs is natural. It can’t be a one-sided affair with a list of objections in one corner and expectations in the other. You meet in the middle and remember the goal is oneness and intimacy.

Well tbh I think most men get their sexual fantasies from adult films and want to play them out (WOMEN INCLUDED).

You can’t change anything that happened before he said hello. The question is how you’ll handle it and what’s feasible for each. There’s give and take on both ends. Sometimes that includes things you never expected or didn’t imagine you’d enjoy.

You begin with biblical prohibitions in mind. That rules out other partners. A wide landscape remains. You traverse it hand-in-hand. But you can’t expect the other to have identical thoughts, needs, desires and interests. That’s unrealistic.

Nurturing one another’s manhood and womanhood creates a stronger relationship. But I don’t get to define that for him.
 
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I’ve heard that’s pretty popular. ;-)
DAMN RIGHT!
There are local events and larger ones taking place all the time. Cycling is very communal. That’s one of the benefits of taking it up. I’ve received great advice from other riders that helped me with my first purchase.
Yeah seems family oriented.
We default to our norm when life gets difficult unless we’ve established new habits in their place.
Yeah - well I guess being muted during marriage is not good(!) But then again would you rather your spouse be muted or sleeping elsewhere? Those vows FOR BETTER FOR WORST people really underestimate it.
You’ve got to put the brakes on when you’re skidding.
Yeah before reaching CRISIS! Which is why (I said in some other thread) when you marry (that is the happiest day of your life) should each day sure you remain on that level - cos we don't go from HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE to DIVORCE MELTDOWN - that doesn't happen overnight that is a long gradual process! - unless there is a party that wants to jump ship cos they think the grass is greener on the otherside with somebody else.
It is. But you can’t get help if you won’t admit you’re drowning.
You think I am drowning cos of that?
But how he speaks and behaves in relation to others. Especially those who feel differently or aren’t believers.
Yes - Christ-like character ultimately.
I’m glad I didn’t do it before I came to Christ and have the wisdom and patience to wait for the right suitor.
Yeah - funny - cos the pastor I met at the park was talking to him on the phone about life etc etc and he said *you'll be glad you never married that girl - I am telling you* ^_^ cos he has an accent made it amusing - which is why when I do have forts of *aahh what we could have been* look God closes doors for a reason - and tbh it would be classed as FOOLISH thoughts - me thinking about what me and her could have been when fact is (cold as this will sound) she is not a child of God (cos not everybody is a child of God).

One thing the pastor told me he said

"if people do not pray the salvation prayer and declare Jesus the son of God and their saviour" (not word for word but paraphrasing) - then they are not a child of God - and if you are not a child of God then who's child are you? Satan's child?

Cos there is no in-between - it is one or the other - there is no BETWEEN heaven and hell it is one or the other.

Man likes to make things seem there is an in-between option for things when in reality that is made so people feel comfortable.

But, when he put it to me like that did make me think (and makes you think about your own salvation) which is why I hope (like you do about your guy) I hope she does accept Christ in her heart. Really do. Cos she has GOD LIKE WAYS in terms of kindness and sensitivity but that is not enough (in the eyes of God) it ain't................you have to be a believer and accept Christ and TRY to walk Christ-like (as tough as it is).

Repent everyday.

It can’t be a one-sided affair with a list of objections in one corner and expectations in the other. You meet in the middle and remember the goal is oneness and intimacy.
Of course!
You begin with biblical prohibitions in mind.
Yes of course.
Nurturing one another’s manhood and womanhood creates a stronger relationship. But I don’t get to define that for him.
I agree 100% with that! Makes perfect sense. I think there is a stereotype that men want sex everyday and in marriage the woman is not as needing as the man - but tbh I think if you are married and happy - you are multiply with each other without it being a STRESS if you get me? Cos you are married and happy. Maintaining happiness with one another - and in a safe container of marriage! Where God made it to be (that is key).
 
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Yeah seems family oriented.

Definitely. I’ve seen lots of families riding together. If you’re adventurous you can consider touring, racing, or scenic rides just because. What kind of bike are you considering?

Yeah - well I guess being muted during marriage is not good(!) But then again would you rather your spouse be muted or sleeping elsewhere? Those vows FOR BETTER FOR WORST people really underestimate it.

It isn’t a question of muting. It is the sin and coping mechanisms you can tolerate. Having a spouse who shuts down and isolates himself isn’t better. Problems are a fact of life. Some people face them head on and others bury their head in the sand. Avoidance never leads to happy endings.

Yeah before reaching CRISIS! Which is why (I said in some other thread) when you marry (that is the happiest day of your life) should each day sure you remain on that level - cos we don't go from HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE to DIVORCE MELTDOWN - that doesn't happen overnight that is a long gradual process!

That has less to do with your marriage and more to do with your approach to life. Marriage doesn’t equal happiness. Happy people know how to maintain their mindset through ups and downs. Euphoria isn’t happiness or joy either.

Real happiness is found in the mundane. Its the constancy of hope and certainty despite what’s taking place. It’s the upside, silver lining, etc.

I view your perspective from the position of daily bread. Being cognizant of the other and his contribution and the blessings we receive individually and as a pair helps.

I’m not talking gratitude but something deeper. I’m referencing expressions, behaviors and reminders that let the other know they’re loved, needed and valued.

I used to share those thoughts with someone I engaged with last year. I turned them into scrapbook pages. Little testaments of joy that could be bound into a book and handed over. The things I noticed often surprised him. Pleasantly so.

When we take care of the small things the bigger ones aren’t as hard to bear. A man wants to be respected, honored, admired and appreciated by his woman. So you pour into him liberally. Let the yeses outweigh the no’s and the can’s exceed the can’ts. That’s a good place to start.

You think I am drowning cos of that?

Not you personally. The figurative you in the statement. :)

look God closes doors for a reason - and tbh it would be classed as FOOLISH thoughts - me thinking about what me and her could have been when fact is (cold as this will sound) she is not a child of God (cos not everybody is a child of God).

That would imply He couldn’t provide what you sought in a godly companion and that isn’t correct. He knows what we’re looking for and His best is better than ours any day.

But, when he put it to me like that did make me think (and makes you think about your own salvation) which is why I hope (like you do about your guy) I hope she does accept Christ in her heart.

I expect him to come to faith before he departs this world. I would prefer it happen sooner so he can bear good fruit. I’m certain you desire the same for her.

But I made a choice and that decision has consequences. Oneness cannot occur if we aren’t unified. The absence of spiritual compatibility can’t be overcome.

No matter the kind acts. He doesn’t understand my root or the things that drive me. He’ll mistake my submission for subservience or weakness. He must be God’s man. It will never work if he isn’t.

Really do. Cos she has GOD LIKE WAYS in terms of kindness and sensitivity but that is not enough (in the eyes of God) it ain't................you have to be a believer and accept Christ and TRY to walk Christ-like (as tough as it is).

I understand. He has a heart for men and their struggles. The same thing I do here he does elsewhere and has for years. We were in the same circles offering help, support and encouragement. He knows the Word and is conversant in theology, philosophy and psychology. God has to redirect his efforts and heart towards Him and his purpose. But I can’t abandon my perch.

There will be a harvest. God has taken everything Satan used and flipped the script. Even my affliction. He permitted me to wander. But my experiences made me compassionate. Seeing others struggle affects my heart. I want them to have God’s best. Just like I do.

I agree 100% with that! Makes perfect sense. I think there is a stereotype that men want sex everyday and in marriage the woman is not as needing as the man - but tbh I think if you are married and happy - you are multiply with each other without it being a STRESS if you get me?

I want my husband to be fulfilled and to fulfill him. That’s the bottom line. Full stop. I had a church member tell me once that a man could want too much sex. I looked at her like she had three heads then she started laughing.

You can’t build a healthy relationship with garbage in your mind. If you bring negative beliefs about the opposite sex into your marriage you’ll have problems. You’ve got to get rid of them and stop feeding it. That starts when you’re single.

I was never a feminist and I steeped my mind in Christian teachings by women whose messages aligned with the Word. I want to be convicted when I’m out of order. Not justified or excused.

But that’s not a one time effort. You’ve got to keep it up. You get new ideas and influences that get you off course. And you need refreshing. So you can be like the Proverbs 31 woman who does him good not harm all his days.

My submission feeds his headship and the reverse holds true. When you’re operating on that plane godly happiness is the result. That’s what we’re after. :)
 
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Erugh I have a full cold now lol erugh I didn't even stay at gym long I was weak - erughhhhhhhhh i hate colds! Now I am miserable inside! ¬_¬ lol no gym till i am 100% - now I just rest up and chill.

What kind of bike are you considering?
Ah just a traditional road bike (for commuting) nothing fancy like a mountain bike!

Avoidance never leads to happy endings.
They sure don't!
Let the yeses outweigh the no’s and the can’s exceed the can’ts. That’s a good place to start.
IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO START!
That would imply He couldn’t provide what you sought in a godly companion and that isn’t correct.
No I am saying he can - but just she was not that Godly companion (where it matters) that is why I say he closes doors for a reason.
I expect him to come to faith before he departs this world. I would prefer it happen sooner so he can bear good fruit. I’m certain you desire the same for her.
Clearly there is a spiritual seed in him.
The same thing I do here he does elsewhere and has for years.
Well what you do here is help and give advice.
I’m certain you desire the same for her.
I sure do =/ cos when you hear things about HELL you don't want people you care for in there - cos for me i do believe your Bill Wiese's story I do - and the descriptions are serious: hard to breath (thin air like you will pass out any moment) - serious fear level - PITCH BLACK - only FIRE in hell is the light - maggots feeding on you - LARGE snakes - LARGE rats - spiders 4 feet wide (she was petrified of spiders and insects) - incredible stench - brimstone - the heat - loud noises of screaming - demons and devils attacking you - that is a place you don't want people you love and care for to be.

I remember when me and her were showering and the water got VERY hot and she got out - and to think in hell far worst (flesh hanging off people's bones) - can never GET OUT to escape - not good man. I don't want her going through that.

And sucks cos I still feel strongly for her...............not wise............cos God is clearly closing that door - just times I think *if we were one officially we should have grown under Christ together etc etc etc* but if the heart is not there it is not there..........I mean we prayed together few times but see fact I never really went into her beliefs as a man (and woman) should with the person they are seeing.

A girlfriend of mine said to me once *IF YOU TWO ARE MEANT TO BE IT WILL HAPPEN* if it is really God's will it will happen. But she has gone........that is the truth..........but LIFE IS VERY FUNNY!

But i have to move forward in my own way too :praying:

So I can only hope she opens to Christ - cos we are all just a breath away from eternity...........

He knows the Word and is conversant in theology, philosophy and psychology. God has to redirect his efforts and heart towards Him and his purpose. But I can’t abandon my perch.
To me he is on the right track just needs to change direction.

I want my husband to be fulfilled and to fulfill him.
Amen! (and want her to be fulfilled to goes both ways what makes both happy).
I had a church member tell me once that a man could want too much sex. I looked at her like she had three heads then she started laughing.
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

As you said he must boost her womanhood and she must boost her manhood - whatever those things are both must say. Then there is happiness.
 
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Erugh I have a full cold now lol erugh I didn't even stay at gym long I was weak - erughhhhhhhhh i hate colds! Now I am miserable inside! ¬_¬ lol no gym till i am 100% - now I just rest up and chill.

Oy! Working out in those conditions is the worst. You’re swaying, winded and a hot mess. Call it quits and take some meds. ~lol

Ah just a traditional road bike (for commuting) nothing fancy like a mountain bike!

That’s nice. Trek and Specialized make affordable commuter bikes that hold up well.

No I am saying he can - but just she was not that Godly companion (where it matters) that is why I say he closes doors for a reason.

Sometimes He has to step in because you’re heading for a cliff and don’t realize it. ~laughs

I sure do =/ cos when you hear things about HELL you don't want people you care for in there

No one whose been in bondage and is freed wants to see anyone in that place. Not if Christ dwells in your heart. I don’t know what hell is like. But a year of spiritual battles made it clear its very bad and should be avoided at all costs.

And sucks cos I still feel strongly for her...............not wise............cos God is clearly closing that door - just times I think *if we were one officially we should have grown under Christ together etc etc etc* but if the heart is not there it is not there..........I mean we prayed together few times but see fact I never really went into her beliefs as a man (and woman) should with the person they are seeing.

You’re being hard on yourself. The feelings didn’t develop overnight and won’t leave as swiftly. There will be moments like that.

But you’ve gotta turn the tables on the evil one. Every time she comes up pray. Every time you think about the two of you pray for her.

It will stop after a while when he sees you’re praying and not responding as he’d hoped. He doesn’t want you praying. That [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]es him off big time.

One day it will change to concern. Eros will be gone. My love for him is phileo and agape. I don’t have a carnal desire anymore. I want him to have a godly wife. I’ve prayed many times for that ending and his current partner.

A girlfriend of mine said to me once *IF YOU TWO ARE MEANT TO BE IT WILL HAPPEN* if it is really God's will it will happen. But she has gone........that is the truth..........but LIFE IS VERY FUNNY!

My friend said we weren’t done and would reconcile. She firmly believed it. She was correct to a point. You want God’s ending not Satan’s.

To me he is on the right track just needs to change direction.

He’s the type of person whose all-in. Whatever he does. He invests himself deeply. He’d make a good apologist. We’ll see where God places him. Ask the Lord to lead her to her rightful place as well. That’s loving.

As you said he must boost her womanhood and she must boost her manhood - whatever those things are both must say. Then there is happiness.

Exactly. For all you know you’ll be counseling others on relationships in the future. There’s no coincidences. Not even this exchange. ;-)
 
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Oy! Working out in those conditions is the worst. You’re swaying, winded and a hot mess. Call it quits and take some meds. ~lol
Yeah :'( I will just rest - i was thinking maybe do some outdoor running - but best to just leave it - cos truth is I think the cold will get worst - just need to let it take it's course ¬_¬ grrrrr

That’s nice. Trek and Specialized make affordable commuter bikes that hold up well.
Yeah not looking for high priced bike £££££££ but something that does the job - light - bulky! I remember doing bike riding at this park and the bike was so bulky and bit too big for me (mountain bike) and the inside of my groin was tender! So needs to be smaller than I am! Streamline! And quick too! Comfortable all around!
I was gonna go Halfords today - but not quite feeling up to it(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
But a year of spiritual battles made it clear its very bad and should be avoided at all costs.
Amen - I am thankful for the grace period we have!
The feelings didn’t develop overnight and won’t leave as swiftly. There will be moments like that.
Yes of course - they are not as bad as they were once upon a time that is for sure!
Every time she comes up pray. Every time you think about the two of you pray for her.
Yeah I do say LORD PLEASE MAKE SURE SHE IS FINE or LORD FORGIVE US BOTH FOR WHAT WE DID but I remember your advice about praying for the other person - and I do! I do pray for her. I don't pray for him only cos I don't know him - but I know her and only her. I want her safe and want her to accept salvation.
That [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]es him off big time.
OOOOOO WHAT DID YOU SAY? :p :p
I’ve prayed many times for that ending and his current partner.
Yeah that is Christ like and mature. Not many people have it in them to pray for the PARTNER the former person is with. Hence why right choices must be made to begin with - but like I said - I hope she accepts salvation! Cos serious business!
You want God’s ending not Satan’s.
OF COURSE!
Ask the Lord to lead her to her rightful place as well. That’s loving.
Of course! You do want that! An I have said in past to Lord that if me and her being SEPARATE means we both end up in the right place then fine. Can be hard to swallow - but look it is what it is that is where faith comes in!
Exactly. For all you know you’ll be counseling others on relationships in the future. There’s no coincidences. Not even this exchange. ;-)
Yeah! I mean me and that woman from church one day may have that conversation over a nice meal in central London by the River Thames! ^_- :smiley::sweatsmile::tearsofjoy::smile:
I can't speak to her in this COMMON COLD state...............
I do wonder if she (the woman at church) would be the catalyst that supplements my aid to propel from the past and into positive future? Hmmmm!
I did see her mother on the livestream on Sunday and I saw her too =] yeah =] yeah =]
She is not a mindreader! Women can't read minds! =]
 
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Yeah not looking for high priced bike £££££££ but something that does the job - light - bulky! I remember doing bike riding at this park and the bike was so bulky and bit too big for me (mountain bike) and the inside of my groin was tender!

That’s overkill for a daily commute. Go to bike shop. You need a proper fitting and they’ll let you take it out. Make sure tell them the distance you anticipate roundtrip and what you’d like to do on the weekends.

Yeah I do say LORD PLEASE MAKE SURE SHE IS FINE or LORD FORGIVE US BOTH FOR WHAT WE DID but I remember your advice about praying for the other person - and I do! I do pray for her. I don't pray for him only cos I don't know him - but I know her and only her. I want her safe and want her to accept salvation.

It helps you heal and benefits her. Win/win.

OOOOOO WHAT DID YOU SAY? :p :p

I don’t know where that came from. ~lol

I used to have serious warfare in the first two years because I wouldn’t stop. Verbal abuse and manifestations were common. But I kept going because that revealed the depth of his captivity. He’s fighting because he wants to hold on. He wants to keep you with him.

Yeah that is Christ like and mature. Not many people have it in them to pray for the PARTNER the former person is with. Hence why right choices must be made to begin with - but like I said - I hope she accepts salvation! Cos serious business!

Well that was definitely one-sided! I asked for his assistance. He’s helped others but he wasn’t willing to do the same for me. He said it didn’t benefit him. I was under the impression we could be friends. He cleared that up real quick. ~lol

At the time it made sense in my head. But if you’re interested and only see me as a companion we can’t be pals. You’re lying to yourself.

Of course! You do want that! An I have said in past to Lord that if me and her being SEPARATE means we both end up in the right place then fine. Can be hard to swallow - but look it is what it is that is where faith comes in!

It’s a process. For a while I wasn’t interested in men. But I realized I was ignoring the truth. I wasn’t called to singleness. Eventually, I encountered someone who asked a question about something I’d written. He wanted my input on how to find his type. There were two things he wanted that weren’t commonplace in most.

We started to converse and mutually realized we were what the other was seeking. He pulled out the dandy pic and I was done! We talked for a while. He wanted a wife. But he was too young. I can’t dip that far. ;-)

She’s out there. There is someone who will set your soul ablaze. When you’ve got the past in your head it seems otherwise. But I learned from that experience my desire for marriage was still there.

I do wonder if she (the woman at church) would be the catalyst that supplements my aid to propel from the past and into positive future? Hmmmm!

The right person will hold your attention. I’m not talking about rebounds. But a connection with substance. When you meet someone who’s serious about settling down and they touch something within you; you’re going to notice. And your mind doesn’t drift to yesterday. You’ve moved on.

You like her. You won’t know what’s behind that without contact when the time is right.
 
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That’s overkill for a daily commute. Go to bike shop. You need a proper fitting and they’ll let you take it out. Make sure tell them the distance you anticipate roundtrip and what you’d like to do on the weekends.
To measure me up? So it is right? 16 mile round trip daily it would be - weekends hmmmmmmm doubt I would use on weekends I mean like i said depends if there are fun activities! Like the Americans that pack the back of their car with bikes with the family about to journey off! Awwwwwwww <3 beautiful stuff man! Family stuff <3
It helps you heal and benefits her. Win/win.
Yeah I had a lil chat with him about that - as time goes on it will be like nothing!
I used to have serious warfare in the first two years because I wouldn’t stop. Verbal abuse and manifestations were common. But I kept going because that revealed the depth of his captivity. He’s fighting because he wants to hold on. He wants to keep you with him.
Ah right! Yes I get you!
He’s helped others but he wasn’t willing to do the same for me.
You deserve far better! (funny people said that to me after everything)
I was under the impression we could be friends. He cleared that up real quick. ~lol
It is hard to be friends with somebody after you built such a closeness (especially sex) then after they have moved on or whatever but still to be friends? Very hard...............cos always that edge of jealousy not easy. She wanted us to be friends and said she would be sad losing her *BEST FRIEND* but how can I still be friends with somebody after all that? So had to let it go =/ But of course pray!

But you seem very strong in yourself and that is an amazing character trait - and close to God - winning combo!
But if you’re interested and only see me as a companion we can’t be pals. You’re lying to yourself.
Yep.
We talked for a while. He wanted a wife. But he was too young. I can’t dip that far. ;-)
Awwww yeah man life - timing - circumstances - not easy - but all journey!
When you’ve got the past in your head it seems otherwise. But I learned from that experience my desire for marriage was still there.
Indeed once the past is DEAD that is it!
When you meet someone who’s serious about settling down and they touch something within you; you’re going to notice. And your mind doesn’t drift to yesterday. You’ve moved on.
YES EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE MOMENT THAT UNIQUE CONNECTION IS MADE THE PAST IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is why I think sometimes she moved on cos she feels she has made that connection with this divorcee guy. Good luck to her - but there are tings about that!
Anyway yeah valid point! Once that connection is made you have moved on!
That is what I need.

You like her. You won’t know what’s behind that without contact when the time is right.
Yeah! physical attractions are beautiful things - but it is the mental attraction that is the real thing! Cos physical attractions happy inside and outside the church! MENTAL ATTRACTION is the one!
But yeah she won't know till I open my mouth =D
 
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To measure me up? So it is right? 16 mile round trip daily it would be - weekends hmmmmmmm doubt I would use on weekends I mean like i said depends if there are fun activities! Like the Americans that pack the back of their car with bikes with the family about to journey off! Awwwwwwww <3 beautiful stuff man! Family stuff <3

Yes, you need to be fitted and given your trek you must take it out. Compression shorts are your friend. Many sing their praises. You want the anti-wicking ones to keep moisture away from skin. You don’t want a rash!

You deserve far better! (funny people said that to me after everything)

That’s what he said. What’s he’s done is something else. I was able to share my thoughts and the things I struggled with. He always listened and didn’t complain. Like a confessor. But I never discussed other men. And he’s never mentioned another either.

It is hard to be friends with somebody after you built such a closeness (especially sex) then after they have moved on or whatever but still to be friends? Very hard...............cos always that edge of jealousy not easy.

We were never physically intimate nor did he cross that line. He tempted me once and I asked him not to do it again. I was abstinent before I came to faith and he’s respected it.

She wanted us to be friends and said she would be sad losing her *BEST FRIEND* but how can I still be friends with somebody after all that? So had to let it go =/ But of course pray!

It would take time and space to reach that point. Given the situation I think its too soon. It was two-years before we conversed. You’ve got to work negativity out of your system otherwise you’re reliving unpleasant moments.

But you seem very strong in yourself and that is an amazing character trait - and close to God - winning combo!

I know my weaknesses and didn’t put myself in a position to be tested. There were boundaries and that took a toll after a while. Just being honest.

That is why I think sometimes she moved on cos she feels she has made that connection with this divorcee guy. Good luck to her - but there are tings about that![/quote]

I think there needs to be a time of healing and fellowship with God when a marriage ends. Some are looking to fill the void before the ink is dry. Nevertheless, I feel we should be loving to those who’ve suffered divorce. Irrespective of blame.

Yeah! physical attractions are beautiful things - but it is the mental attraction that is the real thing! Cos physical attractions happy inside and outside the church! MENTAL ATTRACTION is the one!
But yeah she won't know till I open my mouth =D

Yes, that’s huge. That doesn’t happen often for me. But when the two align I’m there. I’m attracted to intelligence but not the sort that draws attention to itself. But those who converse like we’re doing without pretension.

Oftentimes I was Googling the things he said and would read the books he mentioned. I’m a sponge and I soak up the things my partner shares. So we can enjoy them together.

I’m simple girl underneath. Sometimes I wonder if I was meant to be married with several little ones running about. Although I enjoyed my work and love business I’m equally fulfilled by being at home and caring for my husband and family.

I used to study books on household management and butlering. I learned the valet’s role and how to be a proper mistress of the domicile. But I need a bit of both to be fulfilled.

The one you’re interested in will have many approaching her. Men notice the rare ones. In situations like that you have to be willing to take a different approach if needed.

Sometimes the early bird gets the worm. Treat her like a lady always. But you can get acquainted without playing the friend card. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging your interest and allowing the connection to take its course.
 
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Yes, you need to be fitted and given your trek you must take it out. Compression shorts are your friend. Many sing their praises. You want the anti-wicking ones to keep moisture away from skin. You don’t want a rash!
Yes - well I will need those compression where them under my trousers whilst cycling! Yeah along with moisture I will need my mouth covered too cos when it gets colder - having cold air going down my mouth is not helpful!!!!!!!!!
That’s what he said. What’s he’s done is something else. I was able to share my thoughts and the things I struggled with. He always listened and didn’t complain. Like a confessor. But I never discussed other men. And he’s never mentioned another either.
Hmmmmmm! What do you want now then Miss Bella?
He tempted me once and I asked him not to do it again.
Great response! When somebody tempts you! 'Don't do that again!' ^_^ I am not laughing! I am just saying it is cool :)
It was two-years before we conversed.
Yeah that is sufficient time - though by then I would like to think in 2 years time I am in a different stratosphere! Maybe doing some teachings in a church. Giving testimonies.
OOOOOOOH THAT REMINDS ME! I have a question to ask you! I remember in a thread you spoke about spiritual gifts - do you believe that people have the ability to heal people? From cancer? if they're blind etc etc etc like Jesus and the Apostles did at that time?
Cos there is a pastor coming to the UK (Pastor Chris) world famous and he performs *healing miracles* on people.
I just wonder if you believe such things are true or what is your take on that stuff.
I know my weaknesses
Well only you and Christ know your weaknesses and that is the most important thing.


But those who converse like we’re doing without pretension.<<<<<<<<<<<< ARH really okay! Well this is the measuring stick for all conversations with women =] make it flow naturally hahahaha


The one you’re interested in will have many approaching her. Men notice the rare ones. In situations like that you have to be willing to take a different approach if needed.<<<<<<<<Hmmmm like spiritual church warfare LOL well I am the only one realistically she would give notice too cos everyone else (men) are far older. I am of her age bracket - but I would be INCREDIBLY shocked if any man there spoke to her - cos they are elders or 40+

Sometimes the early bird gets the worm. Treat her like a lady always. But you can get acquainted without playing the friend card. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging your interest and allowing the connection to take its course. <<<<<<<<<<Yeah I mean I was thinking of asking the bishop and being frank with him and saying to him *Bishop I am interested in her I want to be respectful - she seems like she COULD be the one MAYBE but I need to know her and she needs to know me etc etc etc bla bla*

Like I have said Miss Bella when I am in the right mood I speak to anybody on earth.

But cos I am sick atm I cant talk lol and tbh now I am sick I am thinking back to when I was healthy and how i let life pass me by! lol (what the common cold does to you!)
 
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Yes - well I will need those compression where them under my trousers whilst cycling! Yeah along with moisture I will need my mouth covered too cos when it gets colder - having cold air going down my mouth is not helpful!!!!!!!!!

Yes to both. You’re showing your inner Brit! Trousers...how cute. :)

Hmmmmmm! What do you want now then Miss Bella?

A godly man who isn’t afraid to live who stretches himself and his companion. I want passion and someone I’m still attracted to 30 years later who rocks my world like he did on our wedding night. I want faith and manliness. Not one or the other. I must have both.

Great response! When somebody tempts you! 'Don't do that again!' ^_^ I am not laughing! I am just saying it is cool :)

Yes you are. You’re imagining a soft voice saying, don’t do that again. You’d be right and I’m laughing too.

Yeah that is sufficient time - though by then I would like to think in 2 years time I am in a different stratosphere! Maybe doing some teachings in a church. Giving testimonies.

It is my expectation you’ll be in a better place.

OOOOOOOH THAT REMINDS ME! I have a question to ask you! I remember in a thread you spoke about spiritual gifts - do you believe that people have the ability to heal people? From cancer? if they're blind etc etc etc like Jesus and the Apostles did at that time?

I don’t believe in placing limits on God’s capacity or engaging theological arguments on that topic. I look for the fruits of their faith. Are they walking in victory or quoting textbooks?

Show me your health, mind, heart, job, finances, and relationships. Where do they stand? Is there a continual stream of growth or are you barren and stagnant?

I keep counting the miracles and adding to my testimony and leave the arguments for the experts. ;-)

God uses people to heal and heals others himself. I didn’t have hands laid on and would not accept it without a clear word from Him to do so. The issue for me is the spiritual transfer. That’s a lengthy topic in itself.

I reserve judgment if I’m not in the room. It could be genuine or false. If someone requires healing they should ask and stand against the spirit of infirmity in prayer.

Well this is the measuring stick for all conversations with women =] make it flow naturally hahahaha

You don’t have an agenda and nor do I. That’s why its flowing. ~laughs

Hmmmm like spiritual church warfare LOL well I am the only one realistically she would give notice too cos everyone else (men) are far older. I am of her age bracket - but I would be INCREDIBLY shocked if any man there spoke to her - cos they are elders or 40+

That isn’t always a given. I was shown ‘fine Christian men’ who were older and she got the five-headed stare because his hair was whiter than hers. I’m not interested in older men but that isn’t true for everyone. Mid-to-late thirties is my sweet spot.

Yeah I mean I was thinking of asking the bishop and being frank with him and saying to him *Bishop I am interested in her I want to be respectful - she seems like she COULD be the one MAYBE but I need to know her and she needs to know me etc etc etc bla bla*

Just tell him you’d like to get to know her and would like his blessing. I’d leave the one talk out since you’ve never conversed.

Like I have said Miss Bella when I am in the right mood I speak to anybody on earth.

You’re outgoing and sociable. They’re good traits. You’ll find someone. You’re not afraid.
 
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