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Root of Jesse said:

I know I am not defending racism at all. I abhor racism and racists. And no, I am not guilty of it, myself. And while I am surprised you would suggest such, I will not report you. I'm full of forgiveness. People can and do make mistakes. I'm sure I have, I'm sure Trump has, and I'm sure every member of Congress has. I hear little of mea culpa, though.

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You will NEVER hear mea culpa from Trump. That, for me, is the worst part of Trump. Yes he has said and done things that are blatantly racist but he will never admit error. If you have ever heard Trump admit wrong please post that information.

I fear that many on the Right are giving up their right to make arguments about things based on morality or moral positions when faced with whether to defend Trump or not and choosing to find all manner of ways to let him off the hook.

As a Democrat I am forced at all times to admit freely that Bill Clinton was 100% wrong and deserved to be impeached for suborning perjury. I am forced to agree and admit freely that Bill Clinton was a horrible example of what a man should be when in a marriage.

If I were to say otherwise it would call into question anything I complain about Trump. Wrong is wrong. Evil is evil. Racism is racism.

hislegacy said:

Love the cut and paste. Do you keep these in a file at the ready.

What about the other side of the equation?

Like he dated an African American.

He supported sentencing a white supremist to death

He is actively working to free an African American overseas

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So the fact that he is not perfectly racist means he isn't racist at all?

Interesting. Is it a game of numbers? Right now it looks like he has a pretty big pile on the "racist" side but only a couple of things on the non-racist side.

carlv_52 said:

So the fact that he is not perfectly racist means he isn't racist at all?

Interesting. Is it a game of numbers? Right now it looks like he has a pretty big pile on the "racist" side but only a couple of things on the non-racist side.

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Trump posing for a photo-op with some famous black people and receiving an award that had nothing to do with helping black youth (Trump won 1986 award, but not for helping black youths) apparently negates his entire well documented history of questionable racist behavior toward minorities and Jews, including him being sued by the federal government for housing discrimination against black people.

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Trump posing for a photo-op with some famous black people and receiving an award that had nothing to do with helping black youth (Trump won 1986 award, but not for helping black youths) apparently negates his entire well documented history of questionable racist behavior toward minorities and Jews, including him being sued by the government for housing discrimination against black people.

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I am all for people finding examples of where Trump was NOT acting in a racist manner. I'm sure there are some. But I worry that in defending Trump the Right is giving up anything like the ability to point out wrong doing by anyone else.

The Right is currently in a giddy fit about the stacking of the Supreme Court in order to overturn Roe v. Wade because they want everyone to accept their religious beliefs that abortion should not be an option for anyone regardless of their own beliefs. But if they can't stand up to what is clearly a "wrong" when it is manifestly obvious, how can they expect people to take their positions on any moral topic seriously?

Gigimo said:

They're just trying to ensure that the part of their base that has been helped by Trumps economy/policies don't defect and vote for him in 2020.

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The economy is so strong and so good for everyone that the Fed felt the need to cut rates today? Interesting.

carlv_52 said:

I am all for people finding examples of where Trump was NOT acting in a racist manner. I'm sure there are some. But I worry that in defending Trump the Right is giving up anything like the ability to point out wrong doing by anyone else.

The Right is currently in a giddy fit about the stacking of the Supreme Court in order to overturn Roe v. Wade because they want everyone to accept their religious beliefs that abortion should not be an option for anyone regardless of their own beliefs. But if they can't stand up to what is clearly a "wrong" when it is manifestly obvious, how can they expect people to take their positions on any moral topic seriously?

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After observing the conservatives who have been loyally supporting and defending Trump since he was still campaigning (despite his ongoing unchristian and unethical behavior), I finally decided to not take their alleged moral outrage and judgmental finger pointing at any liberal politicians seriously.

Root of Jesse said:

I read one of the articles, the Vox one, second from the top - SE. First, it's an OPED (opinion editorial). Not fact. But let's take the examples:

• 1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to discriminating before.

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• Translation: Trump wanted higher $$$ for his apartments and violated a federal policy. And signed an agreement to not do so again. My comment: have you seen what section 8 housing usually looks like? I would like to avoid renting to section 8 housing, too. And it's because properties tend to get trashed, along with those around them.Sound like the bosses were being discriminatory. Could be they acted on their own???Again, not a racist comment, an economic one.Nothing racist here. Sounds like a man who cares for the health of his city, in order to keep rents higher."If you walk into a 7 Eleven these days, you have to have a slight Indian accent, no, I'm serious."Today, casinos have high roller rooms and non-smoking areas. And it sounds like the gamblers were the prejudiced ones.Making an excuse so he doesn't have more competition???Ditto.He didn't fire him for being overeducated. He fired him for not doing enough.A publicity stunt. Not a bad idea, though controversial to be sure. Maybe men vs women would be sexist?He was right. A mosque doesn't belong on top of Ground Zero.There's controversy about his birth certificate, so I don't know if the case is closed, though it's too late.Maybe he wasn't a good enough student. How is that racism?

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Sounds to me like you’re just not bothered by racism. What we consider racist is just normal for you. Got it.

Sparagmos said:

Sounds to me like you’re just not bothered by racism. What we consider racist is just normal for you. Got it.

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Sounds to me like some do not want an explanation of misunderstood actions, nor a resolution to racism, seems some actualy need a racially charged narrative to continue. Got it.

carlv_52 said:

The economy is so strong and so good for everyone that the Fed felt the need to cut rates today? Interesting.

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After months of being berated by the President to do exactly that.

LostMarbels said:

Sounds to me like some do not want an explanation of misunderstood actions, nor a resolution to racism, seems some actualy need a racially charged narrative to continue. Got it.

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The charged narrative keeps happening because the President wants it to.

carlv_52 said:

The economy is so strong and so good for everyone that the Fed felt the need to cut rates today? Interesting.

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So let me guess you don't think the Fed raising rates too fast might have caused this scenario to happen in the first place? Interesting...

hislegacy said:

It’s evident who they are working for. Or at least have the same play book.

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You have to wonder how many daily meetings they have to coordinate their efforts?

hislegacy said:

So does the media by calling him a racist 1,100 times in two days

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Weird you'd assume that every use of the word racist described in the OP refered to Donald and his actions.

Root of Jesse said:

But I can bet my last dollar that all of the current candidates for the Democratic nomination have racism in their backgrounds.

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Root of Jesse said:

Racism is largely how one feels, and therefore cannot be shown to be true.

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Seems like the kind of contradiction which would happen in posts which are trying to rationalize something that's impossible to defend.

carlv_52 said:

I am all for people finding examples of where Trump was NOT acting in a racist manner. I'm sure there are some. But I worry that in defending Trump the Right is giving up anything like the ability to point out wrong doing by anyone else.

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Various posts in this thread and others show this ability is alive and well - and in some cases accusing people on the left of the same things being defended coming from the right.

KCfromNC said:

Seems like the kind of contradiction which would happen in posts which are trying to rationalize something that's impossible to defend.

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I missed that contradiction in Jesse's posts. Well caught.

Root of Jesse said:

And as such were sugject to the death penalty. I don't know why they were acquitted. Do you?

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They were not subject to the death penalty because New York had abolished it. Trump was calling for its reinstatement specifically to kill these men. And they were acquitted because another person - a serial rapist and murderer - confessed to the crime. His confession was supported by DNA evidence. There has also been a great deal revealed about the poor handling of the case by NYPD.

I don't excuse any politicians bad behavior.

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Then why bring up something Joe Biden said as a response to something Donald Trump said?

It doesn't say they were sent home or something. Thus not missing out on tips.

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I think it stands to reason that the dealer at a high roller table will make far more in tips than the dealer at the $10 table.

Maybe, if you can prove that that was the cause.

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He literally said that they didn't look like Indians and therefore he didn't think they should be allowed to operate an Indian gaming casino.

So what?the point is not racism.

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What is it then? We've already established that your justifications for opposing it are based in falsehoods. So if it's two blocks away with no view, not actually a mosque, and the community whole-heartedly supports it, why oppose it? So far, the only coherent reason for opposing it that I've seen is "I don't like Muslims."

The point was why was he allowed in when he was a poor student. He talks a lot about that.

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He does? Please provide a source. I just googled "Obama poor student," and Trump's comments are the only thing relevant that pop up. There's also an op-ed calling him a "failure" because he was a transfer student - in a literal sense because reporting on graduation rates only takes the school that you started at into account, so if you transfer, your original school reports you as "failed to graduate". Incidentally, this also applies to Trump. However, this says nothing about his actual academic performance; it's meant as a commentary on the way colleges work.

RocksInMyHead said:

They were not subject to the death penalty because New York had abolished it. Trump was calling for its reinstatement specifically to kill these men. And they were acquitted because another person - a serial rapist and murderer - confessed to the crime. His confession was supported by DNA evidence. There has also been a great deal revealed about the poor handling of the case by NYPD.

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So it was a call to reinstate the death penalty, not specifically racist.

Then why bring up something Joe Biden said as a response to something Donald Trump said?

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Because it shows someone of about the same age with a similar attitude. Prejudice is not racism.

I think it stands to reason that the dealer at a high roller table will make far more in tips than the dealer at the $10 table.

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Maybe so, not necessarily.

He literally said that they didn't look like Indians and therefore he didn't think they should be allowed to operate an Indian gaming casino.

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This is only prejudice. He had a predetermined idea of what an Indian would look like, and they didn't look like that. And actually, in that timeframe, there was a large consensus that didn't want Indian-run casinos at all. Especially casino owners in Las Vegas, Reno and Atlantic City. They wanted to be the only game in town.

What is it then? We've already established that your justifications for opposing it are based in falsehoods. So if it's two blocks away with no view, not actually a mosque, and the community whole-heartedly supports it, why oppose it? So far, the only coherent reason for opposing it that I've seen is "I don't like Muslims."

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Well, let's be honest. "We" haven't. You just think you have. Secondly, it was to be an Islamic Community Center AND MOSQUE. It was reported, at the time, that people didn't know what the building was going to be. So a coherent reason for opposing it would be "they weren't being honest about what it was going to be.".

He does? Please provide a source. I just googled "Obama poor student," and Trump's comments are the only thing relevant that pop up. There's also an op-ed calling him a "failure" because he was a transfer student - in a literal sense because reporting on graduation rates only takes the school that you started at into account, so if you transfer, your original school reports you as "failed to graduate". Incidentally, this also applies to Trump. However, this says nothing about his actual academic performance; it's meant as a commentary on the way colleges work.

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You didn't look very far. Third from the top was this: Did Obama get worse grades than Bush? New evidence reveals his college class got lower SAT scores than Dubya | Daily Mail Online

KCfromNC said:

Seems like the kind of contradiction which would happen in posts which are trying to rationalize something that's impossible to defend.

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Not really. Beto's family owned slaves. While I don't know if it was racism that fomented slavery, by today's standards, Beto's family was racist. I think from my POV, Elizabeth Warren's claiming Native American ancestry was racism. But I haven't publicalyy declared it.