CAN YOU LOSE YOUR SALVATION AND ETERNAL LIFE?

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Nope I am not saying that at all. I asked you the question if someone thinks they are saved but are not how are they going to know that they are not saved to begin with? I would imagine that no one would want to find out when it was too late to do anything about it as shown in MATTHEW 7:22-23 don't you?
Regardless, I gave the answer to your question already. A person needs to ask themselves, "What is salvation?" "What is the condition of man that Jesus is the provision for?" "What is their understanding of the Gospel?" and, regarding the will of God, they need to understand that the will of God is not so much what God wants them to do, but what they have inherited as a result of their faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 9:15-16). As far as Matthew 7:22-23 is concerned, a worker of lawlessness is someone who uses the law for a purpose it wasn't intended to be used for. Unfortunately, many Christians believe we are under the law, whether it's the Mosaic, some form of it, the laws of their church, ones they make up, or a combination of them all. These are the lawless ones who believe their works (i.e. casting out demons, prophesying in his name, and doing mighty works or being obedient enough to all God's commands, etc) justify them before God. But, in reality, they are spiritually dead and not alive to God through faith in Jesus Christ. As for me, I don't want my eternity to be judged on my ability to live an impossible life of obedience and repentance to laws I can't fully obey and which were designed to stir up sin in my life to lead me to Christ. I will be judged on one thing; am I alive to God or dead to Him? Thankfully, through my faith in Jesus Christ, I am alive to Him and have eternal life. Grace and Peace.
 
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Regardless, I gave the answer to your question already. A person needs to ask themselves, "What is salvation?" "What is the condition of man that Jesus is the provision for?" "What is their understanding of the Gospel?" and, regarding the will of God, they need to understand that the will of God is not so much what God wants them to do, but what they have inherited as a result of their faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 9:15-16). As far as Matthew 7:22-23 is concerned, a worker of lawlessness is someone who uses the law for a purpose it wasn't intended to be used for. Unfortunately, many Christians believe we are under the law, whether it's the Mosaic, some form of it, the laws of their church, ones they make up, or a combination of them all. These are the lawless ones who believe their works (i.e. casting out demons, prophesying in his name, and doing mighty works or being obedient enough to all God's commands, etc) justify them before God. But, in reality, they are spiritually dead and not alive to God through faith in Jesus Christ. As for me, I don't want my eternity to be judged on my ability to live an impossible life of obedience and repentance to laws I can't fully obey and which were designed to stir up sin in my life to lead me to Christ. I will be judged on one thing; am I alive to God or dead to Him? Thankfully, through my faith in Jesus Christ, I am alive to Him and have eternal life. Grace and Peace.
Nope, no you didn't. You went on talking about things that we were not talking about and did not answer the question asked of you. You do not have to answer the question if you do not want to just say so.
 
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I am just a new Christian and struggling to try to live for God, but after reading some Scriptures and then some of the posts here, I am wondering if it is really true that once a Christian, then you are always a Christian, and the gift of eternal life can never be taken away from you. What a wonderful promise - I was never told that when I first became a Christian. I thought I had to work to keep my salvation; but now it feels like I can finally relax and not worry! How I live is not important and does not really matter - I know I had a real experience with God and was born again - that I know. And now I can rest, not worry, and still have fun - I was afraid I was going to have to give up my friends and fun to get to heaven.

This is a example of were a false gospel and an incorrect understanding of the scriptures can lead us. Thanks for sharing.
 
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You believe that Jesus' work in you depends on your faith. That means Jesus could potentially let go of you at any moment.
If you do not believe God's Word you have no salvation...

JOHN 3:16-21
[16], For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17], For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18], He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19], And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[20], For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[21], But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

ROMANS 14:23 Whasoever is not of faith is sin...

Do you believe God's Word?

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him.
 
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If you do not believe God's Word you have no salvation...

JOHN 3:16-21
[16], For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17], For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18], He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19], And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[20], For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[21], But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

ROMANS 14:23 Whasoever is not of faith is sin...

Do you believe God's Word?

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him.
Correct. We would also agree that repentance must accompany that faith or else it is a fraud. What we don't agree on is whether or not the one who falls away was a fraud to begin with (all his initial faith and repentance notwithstanding)
 
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Nope, no you didn't. You went on talking about things that we were not talking about and did not answer the question asked of you. You do not have to answer the question if you do not want to just say so.
Well, I have tried to answer your questions as best I can. In your OP you asked for our thoughts on your question regarding eternal security and I gave my response to it and to your subsequent questions. If my answers are not sufficient, then there is always God who can reveal the answer to you if He feels you are ready to receive it. I hope that my responses are helping others reading our interaction if not you. My prayers for a resolution to your question. Thank you for the opportunity. My time here is complete. Grace and Peace.
 
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Correct. We would also agree that repentance must accompany that faith or else it is a fraud. What we don't agree on is whether or not the one who falls away was a fraud to begin with (all his initial faith and repentance notwithstanding)

Indeed I believe the scriptures that show that salvation is condtional on believing and following God's Word and that it is only those who endure temptation to the end believing and following God's Word that receive eternal life *JAMES 1:12; MATTHEW 24:13. God's Word also teaches that we can believe for a while and fall away from believing and following God's Word to return to a life of known unrepentant sin *HEBREWS 6:4-8; HEBREWS 10:26-31; LUKE 8:13. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4
 
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Well, I have tried to answer your questions as best I can. In your OP you asked for our thoughts on your question regarding eternal security and I gave my response to it and to your subsequent questions. If my answers are not sufficient, then there is always God who can reveal the answer to you if He feels you are ready to receive it. I hope that my responses are helping others reading our interaction if not you. My prayers for a resolution to your question. Thank you for the opportunity. My time here is complete. Grace and Peace.
I did not ask you these questions in the post to you earlier. I was commenting on something you said in an earlier post. It is ok you do not have to answer if you do not wish to.

God bless
 
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Hello genez, thanks for posting your thoughts. For me though I do not see how what you have posted here addresses what was shared in relation to HEBREWS 6:4-8 and HEBREWS 10:26-38 not to mention all the scriptures throughout this OP and the OLD and NEW Testament that warn believers not to depart the faith. If believers could not depart the faith there would be no warnings in God's Word not to do so.

Whether PAUL is talking to JEWS departing the Gospel of JESUS Christ to return back to Judaism or whether we are talking to gentiles who were once believers departing the faith to return to a life of known unrepentant sin. This is the point that is being made in these scriptures and the many warnings not to depart the faith to return to sin.

You seem to have thought to by pass these points that Gods Word demonstrates.

Blessings.

Hebrews 10:26-31

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left.

The Jewish Church in Jerusalem refused to stop offering animal sacrifices. Many of the Jewish believers were insisting upon doing animal sacrifices for their sin. They kept on sinning by rejecting the truth concerning the blood of Christ!

For it says they heard the truth! They became belligerent and stubborn about repenting from their old religion. The continued to offer the animal sacrifices when no sacrifice for sins were left! They became God's enemy in doing so!

Proud believers are called the enemies of God! It says in the Greek that God makes war against the arrogant believer! 1 Peter 5:5

5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders.
Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for

God resists (makes war against) the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

When God makes war against someone it means they are His enemy. God does not make war against the unbeliever at this time. He has no horse in that race. They will be destroyed in the end.


27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire
that will consume the enemies of God.

The enemies of God include dead works that will be burned in raging fire!

But, in that fire the believer himself will remain saved!

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid,
which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation
with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s
work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it
will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work,
of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it
endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned,
he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as
through fire."
1 Cor 3:11-15


Please, read that. All the foolish and arrogant dead works of the apostate will be blazed in fire to utter destruction!

These proud believers will lose their eternal rewards by fire.

But? It says their souls remained saved. Saved like a man who is when running from a burning house is saved!



28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Those Jewish believers treated the Blood of Jesus as an unholy thing by offering cheap substitutes by insisting upon the animal sacrifices in the Temple.

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left.

Sacrifices of animals were nullified after Jesus openly finished his work on the cross. They became were null and void! No valid sacrifices were left!

The consequences for these Jewish believers persisting in their sinning?

30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”and again, “The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

Notice? It says what? God will judge His people.

Unbelievers are not His people!

Only a few years after Hebrews was written? Jerusalem was laid in ruin by Titus who commanded the destruction of Jerusalem. In doing so?

As predicted in Hebrews 10:30-31, God
angrily judged that arrogant church in Jerusalem, most severely!

Why?

Because, they were knowing the truth. Yet, they insisted upon clinging to their apostasy.

So be it!
 
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Hebrews 10:26-31
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left.

They refused to stop offering the animal sacrifices. Many of the Jewish believers were insisting upon doing animal sacrifices for their sin. They kept on sinning by rejecting the truth concerning the blood of Christ! For it says they heard the truth! They were belligerent and stubborn about repenting from their old religion. The continued to offer sacrifices when no sacrifice for sins were left! They became God's enemy in doing so!

Proud believers are called the enemies of God! It says in the Greek that God makes war against the arrogant believer! 1 Peter 5:5

5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders.
Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for

God resists (makes war against) the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

When God makes war against someone, they are His enemy. God does not make war against the unbeliever. He has no horse in that race. They will be destroyed in the end.


27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire
that will consume the enemies of God.

The enemies of God = dead works -> will be burned in raging fire!

But, the believer himself will be saved!

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid,
which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation
with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s
work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it
will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work,
of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it
endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned,
he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as
through fire."
1 Cor 3:11-15


Please, read that. All their foolish, arrogant dead works, will be blazed in fire to utter destruction! Those proud believers will lose their eternal rewards by fire. But? It says their souls remain saved. Saved as a man who is when running from a burning house!



28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Those Jewish believers treated the Blood of Jesus as unholy, by offering cheap substitutes when insisting upon the animal sacrifices.

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left.

Sacrifices of animals after Jesus openly finished his work on the cross were null and void! No valid sacrifices were left!

The consequences for these Jewish believers persisting?

30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] and again, “The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

Notice? It says what? God will judge His people. Unbelievers are not His people!

Only a few years after Hebrews was written Jerusalem was laid to ruin by Titus who commanded the destruction of Jerusalem. In doing so, God
angrily judged that arrogant church in Jerusalem most severely! Why? Because, they were knowing the truth. Yet, they insisted upon their apostasy.

So be it!

I think a detailed response to this was posted earlier scripture by scriptures showing that God's Word is in reference to "BELEIVERS" Not sure if that was here or elsewhere. You are trying to argue that these scriptures are not to God's believers in the present tense for us today. Let's look at the scriptures and see if this is true or not?

DETAILED VEIW OF HEBREWS 6:4-8 and HEBREWS 10:26-27 AS WARNINGS TO BELIEVERS NOT TO DEPART THE FAITH

What I find amusing in this argument are those people that are trying to argue that HEBREWS 6:4-8 and HEBREWS 10:26-38 are not direct warnings to believers not to depart the faith to return back to a life of known unrepentant sin despite these scriptures directly saying so.

Also why not answer and respond to the posts directly that have been provided earlier that show verse by verse showing CONTEXT that these scriptures are references to believers departing the faith and returning to a life of known unrepentant sin? Wheather they be JEWS or non JEWS is irrelavant because of two important facts. The points being made were that the WARNING CONTEXT of these scriptures were; 1. TO BELIEVERS and 2. THAT DEPARTED THE FAITH TO RETURN TO KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN.

1. THESE SCRIPTURES REFER TO BELIEVERS THAT HAD A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH

Let's look at the scriptures...

HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Who are we talking about here; BELIEVERS or UNBELIEVERS? The question your considering is; were these BELIEVERS and Born again christians. These scriptures directly say word for word that the topic of dscussion here are those who were BELIEVERS as the scriptures say...

1. They were once enlightened; HEBREWS 6:4
2. Having tasted of the Heavenly gift; HEBREWS 6:4
3. They were made partakers of the Holy Ghost; HEBREWS 6:4
4. Having tasted of the good Word of God; HEBREWS 6:5
5. Having tasted of the power of the world to come HEBREWS 6:5

So reviewing the CONTEXT of these scriptures we don't really need to say much they speak for themselves. Yep, HEBREWS 6:4-8 very clearly show here that we are talking about BELIEVERS having fallen away from the HEAVENLY gift back into a life of sin crucifying the son of God afresh.

Let's also look at HEBREWS 10:26-27

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For IF WE (BELIEVERS) sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Yep Paul includes himself in this WARNING. The subject matter is...

1. WE (BELIEVERS) return back to a life of known unrepentant SIN; HEBREWS 10:26
2. WE (BELIEVERS) being those who have received a knowledge of the truth; HEBREWS 10:26
3. WE (BELIEVERS) will receive the judgments of God; HEBREWS 10:27

Ok point 1 is established. Do you agree that these scriptures are in reference and WARNINGS to BELIEVERS and that these scripture are speaking about BELIEVERS that have a knowledge of the truth of the Gospel of JESUS Christ who return back to a life of sin?

2. THEY DEPARTED THE GOSPEL AND FAITH TO RETURN BACK TO A LIFE ON KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN

Let's look at the scriptures...

HEBREWS 6:6 [6], If THEY (ONCE BELIEVERS HEBREWS 6:4-5 see above) SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEMSELEVES TO REPENTANCE; seeing THEY (ONCE BELIEVERS HEBREWS 6:4-5 see above) crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

The subject matter is continuing on from HEBREWS 6:4-5 (BELIEVERS)...

1. THEY (BELIEVERS) FALL AWAY; HEBREWS 6:6
2. THEY (BELIEVERS) renew themselves to repentance; HEBREWS 6:6
3. THEY (BELIEVERS) by their sins crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame; HEBREWS 6:6

Let's also look at HEBREWS 10:26-27 again...

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For IF WE (BELIEVERS) sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

1. WE (BELIEVERS) return back to a life of known unrepentant SIN; HEBREWS 10:26
2. WE (BELIEVERS) being those who have received a knowledge of the truth; HEBREWS 10:26
3. WE (BELIEVERS) will receive the judgments of God; HEBREWS 10:27

All the above is Gods Word shown in the scriptures therefore not my words!

As shown above already from HEBREWS 6:4-8 the subject matter is dealing with those who were BELIEVERS that departed from GOD and became "UNBELIEVERS" returning back to a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. These people are BELIEVERS as shown in the CONTEXT of HEBREWS 6:4-5 and HEBREWS 10:26.

Do you disagree that with what has been posted so far? Is the subject matter and context here in both sets of scriptures dealing with BELIEVERS that have departed the faith to return to a life of known unrepentant sin?

These are the points being made in posts in both post # 68 linked; post # 98 linked and post # 99 linked and elsewhere. These posts were never arguing if the audience that was being addressed were JEWS or non-JEWS. The scriptures were provided as evidence to show that if we as BELIEVERS depart the faith and return to a life of UNREPENTANT SIN to no longer BELIEVE and follow God's WORD than we can lose our salvation.

HEBREWS 10:28-38 continues...
[28], He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29], Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? (see

HEBREWS 6:4-8)
[30], For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[31], It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
[32], But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
[33], Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
[34], For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
[35], Cast not away therefore your confidence (speaking to believers), which hath great recompence of reward.
[36], For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
[37], For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
[38], Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Again key points to consider in HEBREWS 10:28-28 (from HEBREWS 10:26-27)

1. WE (BELIEVERS) return back to a life of known unrepentant SIN; HEBREWS 10:26
2. WE (BELIEVERS) being those who have received a knowledge of the truth; HEBREWS 10:26
3. WE (BELIEVERS) will receive the judgments of God; HEBREWS 10:27

4. WE (BELIEVERS) will receive a greater punishment for returning to a life of known unrepentant sin because we have receved a knowledge of the truth and turned away from it; HEBREWS 10:29

5. WE (BELIEVERS) by returning back to known unrepentant sin after we receive a knowledge of the truth we count the blood of the covenant an UNHOLY thing and do despite to the Spirit of Grace; HEBREWS 10:29

6. WE (BELIEVERS) are warned not to CAST AWAY our confidence which has great reward; HEBREWS 10:35

7. WE (BELIEVERS) receive God's promise after we do God's will; HEBREWS 10:36
8. WE (BELIEVERS) are WARNED NOT TO DRAW BACK INTO UNBELIEF; HEBREWS 10:38

As you can see here all of the above is Gods Word not mine and the scripture application and context is to believers drawing back to something that is not the Gospel of Christ. The application here is universal. If we draw back to anything that is not the gospel of Christ and continue to sin willfully after we receive a knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of judgment.

There is no scripture that says we can continue in known unrepentant sin and enter into the kingdom of Heaven. Those who believe this believe the false Gospel of the father of lies first spoken to EVE in the garden of Eden *GENESIS 3:1-5.

God's Word says all scripture applies to us *2 TIMOTHY 3:16; MATTHEW 4:4; 1 CORINTHIANS 10:11. What do you think the is the meaning of the scriptures that say God is not the God of the dead but of the living *MATTHEW 22:32

I believe God's Word is for the living not the dead, how about you?
 
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I did not ask you these questions in the post to you earlier. I was commenting on something you said in an earlier post. It is ok you do not have to answer if you do not wish to.

God bless
I trust that disagreement is allowed and we can still rejoice in our Lord just like our brethren in the pages of scripture. God will guide us into truth and then we can rejoice that He has taught us something. Aren't we all a work in progress; at different levels of understanding? Anyway. My apologies if I came across wrong. I am just weary of conversations I have had on this subject for the past 20 years that still never seem to be resolved on a subject that I believe is crystal clear. But, I digress. Thank you for the blessing. Goodnight.
 
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Indeed I believe the scriptures that show that salvation is condtional on believing and following God's Word and that it is only those who endure temptation to the end believing and following God's Word that receive eternal life *JAMES 1:12; MATTHEW 24:13. God's Word also teaches that we can believe for a while and fall away from believing and following God's Word to return to a life of known unrepentant sin *HEBREWS 6:4-8; HEBREWS 10:26-31; LUKE 8:13. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4
Yes, God's word is true. ALL of it. Including all the verses like the ones you mention here that warn false believers against presumption and ALL the verses that assure true believers that God will save them, protect them, keep from ALL harm.
Jesus shall save His people from their sins. Sin comes from the heart. God gives His people a new heart and writes His law upon it.
He sends trials and difficulties. For the false believer, these lead to their undoing. But for the true child of God, they are the Father's hard lessons which produce fruit. James says that true believers should consider trials with joy. Peter teaches that trials purify our faith. The true believer is strengthened in His faith. The false believer is weakened and ultimately cut off.
 
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I trust that disagreement is allowed and we can still rejoice in our Lord just like our brethren in the pages of scripture. God will guide us into truth and then we can rejoice that He has taught us something. Aren't we all a work in progress; at different levels of understanding? Anyway. My apologies if I came across wrong. I am just weary of conversations I have had on this subject for the past 20 years that still never seem to be resolved on a subject that I believe is crystal clear. But, I digress. Thank you for the blessing. Goodnight.
Absolutely brother GB! The good news of the gospel is that God promises if we ask him and seek him that he will guide us into all truth as we believe and follow God's Word. No apologies needed brother much love in the Lord JESUS and thankyou for sharing your thoughts here.

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Yes, God's word is true. ALL of it. Including all the verses like the ones you mention here that warn false believers against presumption and ALL the verses that assure true believers that God will save them, protect them, keep from ALL harm.
Jesus shall save His people from their sins. Sin comes from the heart. God gives His people a new heart and writes His law upon it.
He sends trials and difficulties. For the false believer, these lead to their undoing. But for the true child of God, they are the Father's hard lessons which produce fruit. James says that true believers should consider trials with joy. Peter teaches that trials purify our faith. The true believer is strengthened in His faith. The false believer is weakened and ultimately cut off.

According to the scriptures there are only believers and unbelievers. Those who believe God follow what he says. Those that do not believe God do not follow. God's WORD says only those who believe and follow to the end receive eternal life *JAMES 1:12; MATTHEW 24:13. Those who fall away do not *HEBREWS 6:4-8; LUKE 8:13. God's salvation is condtional on believing and following God's Word always in the present tense.

God bless
 
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According to the scriptures there are only believers and unbelievers. Those who believe God follow what he says. Those that do not believe God do not follow. God's WORD says only those who believe and follow to the end receive eternal life *JAMES 1:12; MATTHEW 24:13. Those who fall away do not *HEBREWS 6:4-8; LUKE 8:13. God's salvation is condtional on believing and following God's Word always in the present tense.

God bless
Where does Hebrews 6:4-8 mention they were saved? There many who will stand before Jesus boasting about their faith and works to whom Jesus will respond "I never knew you". Knowing God is equivalent to eternal life.
John17:3
this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
 
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Where does Hebrews 6:4-8 mention they were saved?
Serious brother? It says they were not saved because they were practicing known unrepentant sin! The wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13

Here you go...

HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God:
[8], But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; WHOSE END IS TO BE BURED.

likewise...

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For IF WE (BELIEVERS) sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
There many who will stand before Jesus boasting about their faith and works to whom Jesus will respond "I never knew you". Knowing God is equivalent to eternal life. John17:3 this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Actually No! It was because they were practicing SIN, depart from me you who work iniquity... *MATTHEW 7:22-23. Sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:6-10; MATTHEW 7:22-23; 1 JOHN 2:3-4

Hope this helps.
 
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Serious brother? It says they were not saved because they were practicing known unrepentant sin! The wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13

Here you go...

HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God:
[8], But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; WHOSE END IS TO BE BURED.

likewise...

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For IF WE (BELIEVERS) sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Actually No! It was because they were practicing SIN, depart from me you who work iniquity... *MATTHEW 7:22-23. Sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:6-10; MATTHEW 7:22-23; 1 JOHN 2:3-4

Hope this helps.
What kind of believers do you think Hebrews 6:4-6 is referring to? What do you think they have fallen away from?
 
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What kind of believers do you think Hebrews 6:4-6 is referring to? What do you think they have fallen away from?
Those that fell away from believing and following God's Word and returned back to a life of known unrepentant sin (see post # 291 linked)
 
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I thought I had to work to keep my salvation; but now it feels like I can finally relax and not worry! How I live is not important and does not really matter - I know I had a real experience with God and was born again - that I know. And now I can rest, not worry, and still have fun - I was afraid I was going to have to give up my friends and fun to get to heaven.
Why the dichotomy? God preserving His saints does not preclude laboring for His Kingdom. That’s actually commanded.

We are God’s workmanship created for good works.
 
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This is a example of were a false gospel and an incorrect understanding of the scriptures can lead us. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah that was pretty convenient of an answer.
 
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