When Hate Came To El Paso

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I hope the rest of your day is a little better. :oldthumbsup:
So you still don't see the connection. Saying that " On the liberal side it's no secret that they do want open borders to allow illegal immigrants to freely come here for the sake of more votes for themselves. " Is nothing but a bald-faced lie, told for political advantage. But it can also inflame an unstable person to take violent action.
 
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Unfortunately, this will continue because both racism and guns are two of the most powerful gods in the pantheon of the religion of America. People love both and cling to both. Most gun worshipers will boast that you would only get their guns "when you pry them from our cold, dead hands." They are willing to die for their guns.
 
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Ephesians 6:10-20 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Whole Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. 14 Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. 16 In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18 praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, 19 and also for me, that words may be given to me in opening my mouth boldly to proclaim the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains, that I may declare it boldly, as I ought to speak.
 
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You spoke of those "those would divide America based on one's perceived place of origin, race or religion."
That's the modern Left, IMO. They project their own hate onto others, and feed the delusions of these "mass shooting" miscreants. The obsession and projection emanates from the Left, masked as self-righteous indignation. Their political counterparts use these events to push for gun control.
That's the modern Right, IMO. They project their own hate onto others and feed the delusions of these "mass shootings" miscreants. The obsession and projection emanates from the Right, masked as self-righteous indignation. Their political counterparts use these events to defend their right to have guns which goes against the second amendment that they pretend to be defending.
 
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Ok, that's a list to work off. Problem is you are stilllaying the problem at hand on gun owners, plural. Instead of a single gun owner. I have owned several guns for my entire adult life, and not once have I ever even entertained the thought of using said guns on any part of the populace.

As for making guns harder to get, ok, I'm actually not opposed to that. I actually think there is a list of things we should make harder to get:

Guns
Drivers Licenses
Prescription Meds
and such

I actually agree that background checks should be harder for gun purchases.

But the opposite is also true, gun free zones don't work. In the military we are taught to make ourselves a hard target, because soft targets will more than likely get attacked. This guys manifesto even states something similar, that hard targets should be avoided because its too risky.

When was the last time a gun convention got shot up? Just making a point. Schools should have armed security guards. Places of public interest should have a higher number of armed security within a minute or two response time.

But I disagree with the narrative that gun owners are the problem, I even disagree that guns are the problem.

The problem, as the OP started thsi discussion for, is the underlying issue, hatred, racism, etc. This kid had a real problem. For all we know harsher background checks would probably not have prevented this individual from obtaining a gun. Nor would higher taxes, etc.

How do we deal with those issues tbat cause a person to use any tool necessary to inflict harm upon others?

Don't feed into their frenzy. Terrorist crave attention, its why most will claim responsibility for attacks after they happen. They crave legitimacy. When people stop living their lives because some terrorist did something, terrorists win.

A lot of folks don't get my underlying point. My point is that yes it is one person at a time doing these killings. And yes there are problems we need to face with our racist and evil tendencies as humans. But the real problem is that with so MANY guns available and such a skewed relationship with guns that we end up with a statistically higher chance that guns will get into the hands of people with bad intent.

So if someone like you wants to own a gun, fine! You are probably a good and responsible gun owner. But that gun could be stolen or it could just be one more in a sea of guns that is passed around in our society. As a gun owner YOU and your friends who own guns MUST take responsibility for that serious ownership. YOU, because YOU CHOSE to be a gun owner and increase the number of guns in our society MUST PAY THE PRICE for all of these shootings. No matter how good you are how you would never hurt another human being, you have chosen to become a member of a brotherhood of people who have access to these pieces of equipment.

Proudly carry your guns! It is your right. But it is NOT your right to avoid the heavy burden of ownership of those things. Your rights and your guns will have to pay the price for these killings so that those of us who do not own guns and who want to safely go to the store can do so. YOU chose the gun. YOU must now pay for ALL guns.
 
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A lot of folks don't get my underlying point. My point is that yes it is one person at a time doing these killings. And yes there are problems we need to face with our racist and evil tendencies as humans. But the real problem is that with so MANY guns available and such a skewed relationship with guns that we end up with a statistically higher chance that guns will get into the hands of people with bad intent.

So if someone like you wants to own a gun, fine! You are probably a good and responsible gun owner. But that gun could be stolen or it could just be one more in a sea of guns that is passed around in our society. As a gun owner YOU and your friends who own guns MUST take responsibility for that serious ownership. YOU, because YOU CHOSE to be a gun owner and increase the number of guns in our society MUST PAY THE PRICE for all of these shootings. No matter how good you are how you would never hurt another human being, you have chosen to become a member of a brotherhood of people who have access to these pieces of equipment.

Proudly carry your guns! It is your right. But it is NOT your right to avoid the heavy burden of ownership of those things. Your rights and your guns will have to pay the price for these killings so that those of us who do not own guns and who want to safely go to the store can do so. YOU chose the gun. YOU must now pay for ALL guns.

You want to disarm law abiding citizens who are not committing mass murder for the hope that all murdering criminals will obey the law.

You are a bigger threat to me and my safety than any potential killer may be.
 
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So you still don't see the connection. Saying that " On the liberal side it's no secret that they do want open borders to allow illegal immigrants to freely come here for the sake of more votes for themselves. " Is nothing but a bald-faced lie, told for political advantage. But it can also inflame an unstable person to take violent action.
You're the one reposting it... You also haven't addressed my criticism of conservative politics at all.

I wouldn't even be replying again except, for the very reason you just stated, you should move on and stop turning my comment into something it was never meant to be. You have a habit of attacking others you disagree with, as is apparent by the comments on your profile.

This is my final response. Have a nice day.
 
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I agree, the Left needs to stop doing that ASAP! Also, the vultures in government need to stop using these "mass shootings" as a foil to bring their own twisted desire to disarm us.


Seriously?

We need to stop being divisive!

Yes! Your side should stop doing that immediately!

:doh:
 
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The truth is there is hate from all sides of the political spectrum, there is hate from all nationalities and countries, there is hate from all religious quarters, there is enough hate to go around....and no law will ever get rid of that hate.
 
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I think the blame lies on both sides of the political spectrum for certain. I blame both for innocent deaths.
How in th e world are you blaming the liberal side of the political spectrum for these shooting deaths???? That's completely wrong. You make the statement but you have zero evidence or support for it. That's all I seem to hear from the conservative side - "both sides are to blame" - yet there's no evidence or support for it, ever.
 
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The truth is there is hate from all sides of the political spectrum, there is hate from all nationalities and countries, there is hate from all religious quarters, there is enough hate to go around....and no law will ever get rid of that hate.
What's an example of "hate" from the liberal side in relation to these mass shootings?
 
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I agree, the Left needs to stop doing that ASAP! Also, the vultures in government need to stop using these "mass shootings" as a foil to bring their own twisted desire to disarm us.
It's not "the Left" that's being divisive, it's the Right. The Onion has a great article that illustrates the problem perfectly through satire:

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1835173950

Yes, America is a laughing stock, a tragic one, because of our gun problem which is unique in the world. We're very backwards and barbaric in many ways and this is one of the biggest.
 
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Opinion | Antifa Attacks a Journalist
VIDEO: Trump supporter pepper sprayed at Milo protest

Open your eyes and see that what is happening is happening from both sides.......

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Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
What does Antifa have to do with the problem of mass shootings in this country? Open your eyes and use some logic instead of trying to associate things that are not associated. I know it's tough when you can't back your claims but to reach like that and use an example that's unrelated is not going to fool anyone (unless they want to be fooled, which I suspect there are a lot of, but not me or other liberals).
 
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What does Antifa have to do with the problem of mass shootings in this country? Open your eyes and use some logic instead of trying to associate things that are not associated. I know it's tough when you can't back your claims but to reach like that and use an example that's unrelated is not going to fool anyone (unless they want to be fooled, which I suspect there are a lot of, but not me or other liberals).
Is not hate the common thread amongst these things?....or do you disagree with that?
 
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Is not hate the common thread amongst these things?....or do you disagree with that?
Mass shootings? Guns are the common thread. Not always hate. Someone who is deranged or truly mentally ill may not have hate but still go shoot people up. Is it "hate" when a veteran with PTSD shoots up people because he thinks he's seeing the enemy by re-living his days in combat?? No, that's not hate, that's severe mental illness.

But my question to you was where is an example of liberal "hate" in relation to these mass shootings? You couldn't answer with a single example anyway. You give examples of pepper spray and other unrelated nonsense.
 
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Mass shootings? Guns are the common thread. Not always hate. Someone who is deranged or truly mentally ill may not have hate but still go shoot people up. Is it "hate" when a veteran with PTSD shoots up people because he thinks he's seeing the enemy by re-living his days in combat?? No, that's not hate, that's severe mental illness.

But my question to you was where is an example of liberal "hate" in relation to these mass shootings? You couldn't answer with a single example anyway. You give examples of pepper spray and other unrelated nonsense.
So the Bible verses I quoted, do you not take those to heart? Do you not believe they are true?
 
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