Can I criticise and rebuke a pastor?

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If you have a (real case).
As the bible states
confront him one on one
present the facts
if he does not repent
take it to the Elders of the Church.
M-Bob
 
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Can I criticise and rebuke a pastor?
If I have evidence that he preached wrong message, not preaching the right Gospels,
not managing the church well, not helping the poor in the church.

If there is truly sin or if the gospel is being misrepresented you not only can confront the pastor you have a responsibility before God and to your fellow Christians to do so. Now regarding the issue of "not managing the church well" that is something that would be much more subjective as people have different views on proper management and in such a case much more details would be needed before someone could say yes or no regarding confronting the pastor.
 
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Can I criticise and rebuke a pastor?
If I have evidence that he preached wrong message, not preaching the right Gospels,
not managing the church well, not helping the poor in the church.
If you are part of the church leadership you can express a concern to the other leaders so that the leadership team can meet with the pastor and discuss the issue.

If you are just an ordinary church member and not part of the leadership, then you can express your concerns to the leadership, preferably in writing, giving you evidence to support your concern.

If the leadership won't listen and does not at least discuss the issue with the pastor, you can leave that church and find another one that does preach the true gospel.
 
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Can I criticise and rebuke a pastor? If I have evidence that he preached wrong message, not preaching the right Gospels, not managing the church well, not helping the poor in the church.

By slapping him, you are leading with the idea that he can slap you back
because you are treating him the same as you wish he would treat you.

So you are instigating a brawl...to what end do you have in mind?
 
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I tend to think that criticism (of anyone) is better approached by asking them questions with actual intent to understand their perspective.

IE; "Why did you say X? What did you mean? Why do we do Y? Is Z possible?"

Many times we don't have all the information, and jump to conclusions about a situation...
 
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Can I criticise and rebuke a pastor?
If I have evidence that he preached wrong message, not preaching the right Gospels,
not managing the church well, not helping the poor in the church.
In the way you appear to be suggesting, no.



I tend to think that criticism (of anyone) is better approached by asking them questions with actual intent to understand their perspective.

IE; "Why did you say X? What did you mean? Why do we do Y? Is Z possible?"

Many times we don't have all the information, and jump to conclusions about a situation...
This is excellent advice.

I would just add, in this situation (pastor/leader) there is always the chance that there may be key information that would be inappropriate (private) for them to share.
 
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If you have a (real case).
As the bible states
confront him one on one
present the facts
if he does not repent
take it to the Elders of the Church.
M-Bob

You skipped a step.

If he doesn't accept a private confrontation, then there must be additional witnesses to the same offenses in order to take it to the Church.
 
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Can I criticise and rebuke a pastor?
If I have evidence that he preached wrong message, not preaching the right Gospels,
not managing the church well, not helping the poor in the church.

Does anyone else agree your evidence is real evidence?

Scripture calls for witnesses, not "evidence" because the witnesses are filled with the Holy Spirit, and He is the true evidence.
 
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As others have suggested, I would start with asking questions for the sake of clarity, then re-evaluate your concerns based on the answers. If your concerns are confirmed, then present your concerns to the pastor, and if that doesn't reach a resolution, then go to others who are leaders in the church. If that doesn't get results, let them know that you will be leaving the church and why, and then follow through.

I don't know the specific circumstances you are dealing with in your church, but sometimes it can just be a difference in theological beliefs or priorities, and a pastor may be in line with what a particular church is doing, even if you don't share the same understanding or priorities. In that case, it's best to just leave and find a church that operates according to your beliefs and understanding of how a church should function and serve. That's why it's important to ask questions. You might not know if the pastor is going rogue or if you are just in a church that is not compatible with your beliefs.
 
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I have an example of an experience in which it appeared that pastors were refusing to help those in need in the church. It was a very large church with four pastors, a church counsel with elders, and many teachers. When church members or members of the community would ask for help, they would be referred to community outreach organizations instead of being helped directly from the church. Word spread, and people were outraged.

When asked why, the explanation given was that the church leaders were overworked and unequipped to help with many individual requests for help that they getting. So instead of giving directly to people, the church voted to give large sums of money to local charity organizations like food banks, and organizations that would help with utility bills, rent, or car fuel. They gave to local shelters and places that gave free meals and soups kitchens.

That being said, individual members of the church would reach out to help each other in need for emergency situations (such as a house fire) and would join together to buy Christmas gifts and Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners to needy families in the church.

I don't entirely agree with this church's response, however, they can't be accused of not helping the needy. It just didn't look like people expected it to.
 
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I don't know the specific circumstances you are dealing with in your church, but sometimes it can just be a difference in theological beliefs or priorities, and a pastor may be in line with what a particular church is doing, even if you don't share the same understanding or priorities. In that case, it's best to just leave and find a church that operates according to your beliefs and understanding of how a church should function and serve. That's why it's important to ask questions. You might not know if the pastor is going rogue or if you are just in a church that is not compatible with your beliefs.

If that's the case, though...maybe you are the one that's wrong.
 
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You skipped a step.

If he doesn't accept a private confrontation, then there must be additional witnesses to the same offenses in order to take it to the Church.

With him being a Pastor I guess I did.

Good catch -- Thank you, Bob


Yes, I had to do that once.
Church bible leader running a muck.
Must be on guard
we could all fall there.
 
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Maybe I should express my concerns to some close friends in the church first, listen to their opinions and we have a unanimous voice, we can write a letter of Advice to the pastor in secret.

Even a pagan governor of Caesar wrote that he refused to hear accusations against Christians given anonymously.
 
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Can I criticise and rebuke a pastor?
If I have evidence that he preached wrong message, not preaching the right Gospels,
not managing the church well, not helping the poor in the church.
If you have a (real case).
As the bible states
confront him one on one
present the facts
if he does not repent
take it to the Elders of the Church.
M-Bob
Right, and what the OP shouldn't do is spread it all over social media.
 
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I tend to think that criticism (of anyone) is better approached by asking them questions with actual intent to understand their perspective.

IE; "Why did you say X? What did you mean? Why do we do Y? Is Z possible?"

Many times we don't have all the information, and jump to conclusions about a situation...
Yes, yes, yes! We have no business deciding (with an aim of condemnation in our hearts) beforehand what someone meant until AFTER we go straight to them, and clarify each and every word we take exception with. And, even at that, it is usually only our prejudiced opinion that we think is some kind of "proof."
 
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Can I criticise and rebuke a pastor?
If I have evidence that he preached wrong message, not preaching the right Gospels,
not managing the church well, not helping the poor in the church.
Generally unwise and unproductive if you are not seeking first to understand him and resolving to be the more patient man in the conversation.
 
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