Questions for Orthodox Jews, which reveal the Messiah:

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I am not ignoring anything.

On account of the gospel they (Jews) were enemies for YOUR SAKE (the gentiles) but on the account of their election (as the people of God), they (Jews) are beloved for the sake of the fathers of Judaism). Get it?

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Under no conditions or circumstances are enemies of the gospel ever numbered among the elect.

Scripture is unequivocal in identifying who the elect(ion) are. They are those of faith and obedience, saved by grace, members of the Church of the Redeemed.

They alone are the beloved.


Luke 18:7
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

1 Thessalonians 1:4
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

BABerean2 said:

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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that still does not negate my post...they were enemies as regarding the gospel

jgr said:

Under no conditions or circumstances are enemies of the gospel ever numbered among the elect.

Scripture is unequivocal in identifying who the elect(ion) are. They are those of faith and obedience, saved by grace, members of the Church of the Redeemed.

They alone are the beloved.


Luke 18:7
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

1 Thessalonians 1:4
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

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I am not saying they are. You still do not understand his point.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I am not ignoring anything.

On account of the gospel they (Jews) were enemies for YOUR SAKE (the gentiles) but on the account of their election (as the people of God), they (Jews) are beloved for the sake of the fathers of Judaism). Get it?

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BABerean2 said:

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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jgr said: ↑
Under no conditions or circumstances are enemies of the gospel ever numbered among the elect.
Scripture is unequivocal in identifying who the elect(ion) are. They are those of faith and obedience, saved by grace, members of the Church of the Redeemed.

They alone are the beloved.

Luke 18:7
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
1 Thessalonians 1:4
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

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Would those [specifically the Jewish Rulers] be considered as the 1st century "Synagogue of Satan" shown in Revelation 2 and 3??

Rom 11:28
Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Phl 3:18
For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the Cross of Christ:
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THE CHURCH IN SMYRNA

Revelation 2:
9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich);
and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
13 “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan's throne is.
And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

Mat 23:2
saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.

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Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series
THE CHURCH IN PHILADELPHIA

Revelation 3:9
“Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—
indeed I will make them[the non-elect OC Jews] come and worship before your[the Elect NC Jews] feet, and to know that I have loved you.
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John 8:44 "Ye out of a father, the devil are, and the desires of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing".

Matthew 23:
15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! That ye are going about the sea and the dry to make one proselyte, and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of gehenna<1067> twofold-more of ye-selves
Matthew 23:33
33 "Serpents! brood of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>
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Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series
Part 39: THE CHURCH IN SMYRNA "synagogue of Satan"

There is a sharp contrast between the “synagogue of Satan” and the “church of God.” Just what is this “synagogue of Satan”? Those of the synagogue of Satan were not the true church, but of the false church.
Now the word for synagogue is not the same word we use for church.
In the scriptures, church means the “called out ones” or the “summoned ones.” The Psalmist said about these elect people, “Blessed is the man whom THOU CHOOSEST, and CAUSEST to approach unto Thee, that he may dwell in Thy courts” (Ps. 65:4).

But the meaning of synagogue is “assembly” or “gathering.” This can be good or bad, but in this case it is bad, for these are they whose assembling is not of God but of their own selves. Isaiah said of them, “Behold, they shall surely gather together, but NOT BY ME: whosoever shall gather against thee shall fall for thy sake” (Isa. 54:15).

The two names, “Satan” and “Devil” are employed in the book of Revelation with correctness and precision. “Satan” means adversary, that which is against or opposed to. “Devil,” on the other hand, means slanderer or accuser. To the people of God, that ancient serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, is both!

Now let us look at the typical setting and background of this term “synagogue of Satan.” In the days of ancient Israel, the priesthood at Jerusalem was the accepted spiritual authority. Then in 586 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar besieged Jerusalem, demolished the great temple of Solomon, and carried the Jews into exile in Babylon.

With their temple and their priesthood gone, the Jews found themselves in strange new communities where they formed voluntary assemblages for common worship and study of the law. These congregations were called synagogues or assemblies. This institution proved so valuable that it has been continued to this day. It also provided the basic pattern for the churches which, after Paul, the Christians set up and developed along more organized lines. Among the Jews, however, the synagogue has survived in its pristine form. Any ten adult male Jews today can establish a congregation.
The congregation’s rabbi is a teacher, not a priest. He has no ecclesiastical authority except as an expounder of the law. In fact, he is not even necessary to the functioning of the synagogue. Any male Jew with sufficient knowledge of the prayers and the laws can conduct a religious service.

Thus, the synagogue is an “assembly” of Jewish people, just as the church is thought of today as an “assembly” of believers in Jesus Christ (although that is not the real meaning of church!).
The synagogue of Satan is, therefore, the assembly of the adversaries, opponents, slanderers, and accusers! Those of the synagogue of Satan are the opponents of the Truth and the slanderers of the spirit of Christ! Everyone and everything, especially every religious thing that stands in opposition or resistance to the spiritual life of your inner son is truly of the synagogue of Satan!
Remember, my beloved, the term “synagogue of Satan” is a type, a symbol in the book of Revelation! The type is found in the persecutors of the early believers — preeminently the Jews.

Among all the stormy, fiery declarations of condemnation and judgment found in the letters to the seven churches, none is more striking than the Holy Spirit’s identification of the “synagogue of Satan.” The synagogue of the Adversary! He doesn’t call the temple of Bacchus the synagogue of Satan. He doesn’t call the temple of Diana the synagogue of Satan. He doesn’t call the temple of Zeus the synagogue of Satan.
Only the Jews had a synagogue!

Religion that opposes the Spirit of God, the purpose of God, the truth of God, and the kingdom of God is the adversary of God, and the system, temple, synagogue, or assembly of those adversaries is simply the “synagogue of Satan.”
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BABerean2 said:

In Romans 11 the Apostle Paul uses the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles, grafted together into the same tree.
There is no plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in the passage.
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Correctomundo!

BABerean2 said:

Do you think the Baal worshipers in Romans 11:1-5, were the "elect"?

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Again, that has nothing to do with it...read Romans 11:29-31

BABerean2 said:

It has everything to do with it based on the earlier verses of Romans 11.
How do "they" obtain mercy?
See the verse below.



Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

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That has nothing to do with your original post/quote...

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Rabbinic Jews do not believe that is true, that was my point...

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What the rabbinic Jews believe regarding the "new covenant" in Jeremiah 31 is according to them that it is a "renewal" of the Mt. Sinai covenant. They do this to as a countermissionary measure to disavow that Jesus is messiah and the way to be right with God is by faith in what Jesus did by his death and resurrection. They do this because Christians bring Jeremiah 31 the new covenant to their attention all the time.

What would be interesting is to confront them if they had any commentary in the Talmud of their interpretation of the new covenant in Jeremiah 31 as being a "renewal", before the common era began.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I am not ignoring anything.

On account of the gospel they (Jews) were enemies for YOUR SAKE (the gentiles) but on the account of their election (as the people of God), they (Jews) are beloved for the sake of the fathers of Judaism). Get it?

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Sincere questions.
1. Why would Jews being enemies of the gospel be for benefit to non Jew's
2. To whom are you referring as the fathers of Judaism?

BABerean2 said:

Absolutely not.

Paul begins the passages with two different groups of Israelites during the time of Elijah, one faithful, and one not in Romans 11:1-5.
Paul ends the passage in the same way.
There are two different groups of "they" in Romans 11:28.

There are "they" which deny the Gospel and are the "enemies" of God, and there is another group of "they", who are the "election" who have accepted Christ.

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

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I will ask you also.
Why is it that Jews being enemies of the gospel benefits non Jews?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Rabbinic Jews do not believe that is true, that was my point...

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Douggg said:

What the rabbinic Jews believe regarding the "new covenant" in Jeremiah 31 is according to them that it is a "renewal" of the Mt. Sinai covenant. They do this to as a countermissionary measure to disavow that Jesus is messiah and the way to be right with God is by faith in what Jesus did by his death and resurrection. They do this because Christians bring Jeremiah 31 the new covenant to their attention all the time.

What would be interesting is to confront them if they had any commentary in the Talmud of their interpretation of the new covenant in Jeremiah 31 as being a "renewal", before the common era began.

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From a popular Judaism site:

Jeremiah 31 and the New Covenant: Ask the Rabbi Response
ASK THE RABBI

Jeremiah 31 and the New Covenant
How do you understand the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31? Doesn’t that supersede God’s original covenant with the Jews? In fact, Jeremiah earlier speaks of Israel having broken its covenant with God (11:10). It seems to me that as a result, God fashioned a new covenant, with all mankind. I’m writing this as a friend, by the way, and am sincerely interested in the Jewish point of view

The Aish Rabbi Replies:

Thank you for raising your important issue. Before I begin, I would just like to note that Christian and Jewish Bibles number the verses of Jeremiah 31 differently...............

Jeremiah (11:10), as well as Ezekiel (16:59) do say that as a nation, Israel broke its covenant with God. But the Torah clearly states that even so, God held firm in His relationship with us, renewing it in spite of Israel’s failings.
Although Ezekiel 16:59 states that God will deal as harshly with us as we did with Him, verse 60 concludes: “I will remember My covenant with you of the days of your youth, and I will establish it for you as an everlasting covenant.”

This in fact is a recurring theme throughout the Prophets – that in spite of Israel’s lapses, God will never let go of us nor allow us to lose sight of our cosmic mission. See especially Ezekiel 20:32-37, as well as Isaiah 54:8-10, Psalms 105:8-10 and Genesis 17:7.

Jeremiah 31:30 follows this same pattern. Although it does state that God will create a new covenant, it clearly states that it will be with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. It further continues that as part of the covenant God would place His Torah upon our hearts (v. 32). Thus, even though we had broken our original covenant with God, He will create a newer stronger one in its place – but still with Israel and again commanding us to observe His Torah.
The new covenant did not abrogate the original one to keep the Torah nor was it directed towards all the nations. As vv. 34-35 continue, Israel will continue to be God’s nation so long as the sun shines, the moon rises, and the surf breaks upon the coast.

In addition, as is clear from the verses, this renewal of the covenant will be with both the houses of Judah and Israel (i.e., with both the southern kingdom of Judah and the northern kingdom of the Ten Tribes). This clearly did not occur in Jesus’s time, when the Ten Tribes had already been dispersed.
Jeremiah also states that at the time of this renewal, there will be universal knowledge of God (“for they will all know Me” (v. 33)). This too did not occur in Jesus’s day but is rather a reference to the End of Days.

For a further discussion on this and related topics, please see these articles:

Know How to Answer Christian Missionaries

https://outreachjudaism.org/god-divorce-israel/
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What Jews Believe: Prooftext #7: Jer. 31:31-34
Ten Christian Prooftexts:
The misuse of Hebrew Scriptures
to "prove" Christian claims, and the Jewish response

#7 JEREMIAH 31:31-34

Jeremiah 31:31-34 speaks of a 'new covenant,' and the term 'covenant' means 'testament.' So, in these verses, Christians see a prophecy of their New Testament.

Have you ever seen an advertisement on television where a manufacturer has come out with the new and improved version of a product they are already known for, like a laundry detergent? They might say that it is the new and improved version of the old laundry detergent, and the implication is that one is to no longer use the old version. This is the meaning of the term 'New Testament' in relationship to the 'Old Testament,' that the 'old' has been replaced by the 'new.' The term 'testament' means 'agreement,' or 'contract,' or 'covenant.'
When Christians use the term 'New Testament,' it is a way of referring to the new covenant that they feel exists between Gd and believing Christians, which replaced the old contract, or old covenant, the old testament, between Gd and the Jews..........................

This new covenant means that no one will have to missionize anyone to 'Know the Etrnl,' because the whole world will already believe in Gd. This part of the passage especially has not happened yet, and this is proven because had it already happened, then Christianity would have no need to missionize anyone! Since they spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year, just to missionize the Jews, just to get the Jews to 'Know the Lord,' then this prophecy in Jeremiah 31 has not happened yet, and these Christian missionaries prove it every day.
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A CF thread on that topic:

Did Christ come to establish a NEW covenant or renew the OLD covenant?

I would like to discuss these verses of Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 concerning the New Covenant Jesus brought to the Israelites thru the Apostles and Gospels.
What is the difference between something brand New and something that is renewed?
Thanks for your views on this.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold! days, ones coming a declaration of YHWH and I Cut/03772 karath with the house of Yisra'el and with the house of Y@huwdah a New Covenant
Hebrews 8:8
For faulting them He is saying 'behold! days are coming,' is saying LORD 'and I shall be together-finishing/sun-telesw <4931> upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a New Covenant
Jeremiah 31:32
'Not according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which My covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them', saith YAHWEH.
Hebrews 8:9
'Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, in the day of My taking them by their hand, to bring them out of the land of Egypt -- because they did not remain in My covenant, and I did not regard them', saith the LORD, --
Jeremiah 31:33
'For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days', declares the LORD:
'I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts.
And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Hebrews 8:
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

13 in the to be saying `New,' He hath made Old the First.
The yet being aged and being obsolete nigh of disappearance
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Luke 5:
37 "And no one is casting young/neon <3501> wine into Old skins, if yet no surely shall be ruined the young wine of the skins, and it shall be being poured-out and its skin shall be perishing.
38 but young/neon <3501> wine into New/kainouV <2537> skins is to be cast and both are preserved together.
39 and no one driking Old immediately is willing young,
for he is saying, 'for the the Old is kind/mellow'".
[Matthew 9:17/Mark 2:22]

Rick Otto said:

Looks like you exhaustively researched this.
The OT was obedient performance based salvation for Israel only.
No since in renewing again, Israel proved the point of human helplessness in getting and staying worthy, again and again.
Grace on the other hand, is mercy trumping justice.
Now that's something completely different.

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fhansen said:

The new covenant accomplishes what the old could not: restored justice or righteousness in God's creation-in us, where God not only forgives and forgets sin but also takes it away, placing His law in man's heart and writing it on his mind. Either man operates by his own efforts, endeavoring to be righteous based on the law at best, or he partners with God, 'apart from Whom he can do nothing' (John 15:5), a partnership or communion based on and realized by faith.

IOW, man doesn't need to be obedient first of all in order to be righteous; rather man needs God first of all in order to be obedient. Adam thought he could be perfect within and by himself, apart from God. We're here to learn otherwise; our righteousness comes only by and from Him. To put it another way: 'If you love me, you will obey me' sums up John 14:15-31. Love of God compels obedience. Love accomplishes justice or righteousness in us because love is justice. It fulfills the law the right way, by the Spirit rather than by the letter. Grace both leads us to and brings about this love.

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AnticipateHisComing said:

Not really. The OT contains both law and gospel. The NT contains both law and gospel. The Old Covenant is in the OT. The New Covenant brings the NT. The New Covenant does not absolve the law.

Only to the simplest of minds was salvation based on obedience of the law, which was largely the ceremonies of sacrificial offerings. These sacrifices did not make people in the OT righteous and bring them salvation. God did not desire these sacrifices even while he commanded them by the law. Hebrews 10:8-10.

Next read Hebrews 11 to see that it was actually faith that brought righteousness and provided salvation, even in the Old Covenant times. So many have been incorrectly taught to believe that God's covenants were two way contracts, if I do what the contract says then I will receive from God the promised salvation. Not true of the Old Covenant, not true of the New Covenant.

The Old Covenant is largely based on repeated animal sacrifices. These sacrifices were to teach that sin was an offense to God and required punishment. Animals were their "scapegoat". But, it was not the method to their salvation. They all looked forward to the coming Messiah, their savior, even if they had incorrect ideas on what the Christ would bring. Faith in this Savior is what saved them.

The New Covenant teaches us to partake in the Lord's Supper which is a sacrament of Jesus' death; as one perfect sacrifice in place of us for our sins. But are we saved through the Lord's Supper? No. It is something Christians do as part of following God. It is the New Covenant as Jesus commanded us to do in remembrance of his death.

So the Old and New Covenants are not so different. They both involved shedding of innocent blood for the guilty. The big difference being, Jesus' death was perfect and sufficient for all.

Now did the OC sacrifices save everyone? No.
Does Jesus' death in the NC save everyone? No.
There is something else required, faith. Faith in the coming promised Savior saved in the OC. Faith in Jesus saves us in the NC.

See, not so different after all. Kinda makes sense because God does not change.

Regardless, it is by God's grace that you were saved in the OC and in the NC; for the blood shed was not our own.

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BABerean2 said:

Every year thousands of modern Orthodox Jews die without Christ.

During my lifetime the Church has done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with Orthodox Jews. Various forms of Dual Covenant Theology are part of the problem.

If we really love them we should be willing to ask the following questions which reveal the true identity of the Jewish Messiah.

Forbidden Chapter in the Tanakh (Jewish Evangelism)

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BABerean2 said: ↑
How do they handle the other questions?

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Dave-W said:

Questions like that will have very little effect on a religious Jew. (Orthodox, Conservative or Reform) The rabbis have had almost 2000 years to formulate and hone their replies to deflect the answers you think are obvious.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Rabbinic Jews still await the Moshiakh. The new covenant has not been established yet but will be with the coming of the Moshiakh and the rebuilding of the Temple.

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Some interesting info:

What Jews Believe: Prooftexts
The misinterpretation of Hebrew Scriptures to "prove" Christian claims, and the Jewish response

A prooftext is a verse or verses from the Bible that are used to prove or to substantiate a belief through the interpretation of that verse. For example, one could point to the verses from Genesis 1:3-4, which read,............................

..................Similarly, Jews and Christians will disagree over the interpretation given to certain verses in the Hebrew Scriptures.
Christians use these verses as prooftexts, to support their beliefs and to claim these interpretations demonstrate that Jesus fulfilled the meaning Christians find therein.
Jews, on the other hand, will show the Christian interpretations to be incorrect and therefore MISinterpretations, because the Christian understanding of those verses contradicts the clear, simple, literal meaning of other verses in the Bible.
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The Gospel prooftexts showing Jesus coming to the Temple, fulfilling Malachi 3:1:
[The Jews especially need to read Revelation]

He Will Sit as a Refiner and Purifier of Silver: Malachi 3:3

Malachi 3:1
"Behold! I am sending My messenger, and he hath prepared a way before Me,
And suddenly come in unto His Temple doth 'Adown/Lord-Master<113> whom ye are seeking,
Even the Messenger of the Covenant, Whom ye are desiring.
Behold! He is coming" says Yahweh of Hosts.

2 and who enduring the Day of coming of Him, and who the one Standing in the to appear Him. That He as fire of refiner and as soap of launderers.

Reve 16:17 that came the great Day of the wrath of Him and who is able to Stand.

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Luke 2:34
And Simon blesses them and said toward Mary, the mother of Him, "Behold! this-One is set for the Falling and Resurrection/Standing-up/ana-stasin <386><2476> of many in Israel and into a Sign spoken against"--
[Ezekiel 37 "valley of bones" "2 witnesses resurrecting" Revelation 11:11 "And after the three days and half-equal a breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand<2476> upon their feet .]

1st times Jesus comes to the Temple:

Luke 2:
25 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.
27 So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law,
28 he took Him up in his arms and blessed God and said:

Luke 2:42
42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast.
46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the Temple, sitting in the midst of the Teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers.
[Isaiah 11:6 ..and a little child shall lead them...]
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Verses with "Jesus Temple":

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

Luk 2:27 So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law,
Luke 2:42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast. [Isaiah 11:6 ..and a little child shall lead them...] 46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the Temple, sitting in the midst of the Teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers.
Mar 11:11 And Jesus went into Jerusalem and into the temple. So when He had looked around at all things, as the hour was already late, He went out to Bethany with the twelve.
Mar 11:15 So they came to Jerusalem. Then Jesus went into the temple and began to drive out those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves.
Mar 12:35 Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David?"
Jhn 2:19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Jhn 5:14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”
Jhn 7:14 Now about the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.
Jhn 7:28 Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, “You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know.
Jhn 8:20 These words Jesus spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.
Jhn 8:59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[fn] going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Jhn 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon's porch.
Jhn 11:56 Then they sought Jesus, and spoke among themselves as they stood in the temple, “What do you think—that He will not come to the feast?”
Luk 22:52 Then Jesus said to the chief priests, captains of the temple, and the elders who had come to Him, “Have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs?
Jhn 18:20 Jesus answered him, “I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet,[fn] and in secret I have said nothing.

BABerean2 said:

During my lifetime the Church has done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with Orthodox Jews.

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I am going to respectfully disagree. Christians have made tremendous efforts to bring Jews to believe in Jesus, proclaiming the gospel to them constantly. They, the majority, choose not to believe the gospel.

LittleLambofJesus said:

From a popular Judaism site:

Jeremiah 31 and the New Covenant: Ask the Rabbi Response
ASK THE RABBI

Jeremiah 31 and the New Covenant
How do you understand the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31? Doesn’t that supersede God’s original covenant with the Jews? In fact, Jeremiah earlier speaks of Israel having broken its covenant with God (11:10). It seems to me that as a result, God fashioned a new covenant, with all mankind. I’m writing this as a friend, by the way, and am sincerely interested in the Jewish point of view

The Aish Rabbi Replies:

Thank you for raising your important issue. Before I begin, I would just like to note that Christian and Jewish Bibles number the verses of Jeremiah 31 differently...............

Jeremiah (11:10), as well as Ezekiel (16:59) do say that as a nation, Israel broke its covenant with God. But the Torah clearly states that even so, God held firm in His relationship with us, renewing it in spite of Israel’s failings.
Although Ezekiel 16:59 states that God will deal as harshly with us as we did with Him, verse 60 concludes: “I will remember My covenant with you of the days of your youth, and I will establish it for you as an everlasting covenant.”

This in fact is a recurring theme throughout the Prophets – that in spite of Israel’s lapses, God will never let go of us nor allow us to lose sight of our cosmic mission. See especially Ezekiel 20:32-37, as well as Isaiah 54:8-10, Psalms 105:8-10 and Genesis 17:7.

Jeremiah 31:30 follows this same pattern. Although it does state that God will create a new covenant, it clearly states that it will be with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. It further continues that as part of the covenant God would place His Torah upon our hearts (v. 32). Thus, even though we had broken our original covenant with God, He will create a newer stronger one in its place – but still with Israel and again commanding us to observe His Torah.
The new covenant did not abrogate the original one to keep the Torah nor was it directed towards all the nations. As vv. 34-35 continue, Israel will continue to be God’s nation so long as the sun shines, the moon rises, and the surf breaks upon the coast.

In addition, as is clear from the verses, this renewal of the covenant will be with both the houses of Judah and Israel (i.e., with both the southern kingdom of Judah and the northern kingdom of the Ten Tribes). This clearly did not occur in Jesus’s time, when the Ten Tribes had already been dispersed.
Jeremiah also states that at the time of this renewal, there will be universal knowledge of God (“for they will all know Me” (v. 33)). This too did not occur in Jesus’s day but is rather a reference to the End of Days.

For a further discussion on this and related topics, please see these articles:

Know How to Answer Christian Missionaries

https://outreachjudaism.org/god-divorce-israel/
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What Jews Believe: Prooftext #7: Jer. 31:31-34
Ten Christian Prooftexts:
The misuse of Hebrew Scriptures
to "prove" Christian claims, and the Jewish response

#7 JEREMIAH 31:31-34

Jeremiah 31:31-34 speaks of a 'new covenant,' and the term 'covenant' means 'testament.' So, in these verses, Christians see a prophecy of their New Testament.

Have you ever seen an advertisement on television where a manufacturer has come out with the new and improved version of a product they are already known for, like a laundry detergent? They might say that it is the new and improved version of the old laundry detergent, and the implication is that one is to no longer use the old version. This is the meaning of the term 'New Testament' in relationship to the 'Old Testament,' that the 'old' has been replaced by the 'new.' The term 'testament' means 'agreement,' or 'contract,' or 'covenant.'
When Christians use the term 'New Testament,' it is a way of referring to the new covenant that they feel exists between Gd and believing Christians, which replaced the old contract, or old covenant, the old testament, between Gd and the Jews..........................

This new covenant means that no one will have to missionize anyone to 'Know the Etrnl,' because the whole world will already believe in Gd. This part of the passage especially has not happened yet, and this is proven because had it already happened, then Christianity would have no need to missionize anyone! Since they spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year, just to missionize the Jews, just to get the Jews to 'Know the Lord,' then this prophecy in Jeremiah 31 has not happened yet, and these Christian missionaries prove it every day.
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A CF thread on that topic:

Did Christ come to establish a NEW covenant or renew the OLD covenant?

I would like to discuss these verses of Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 concerning the New Covenant Jesus brought to the Israelites thru the Apostles and Gospels.
What is the difference between something brand New and something that is renewed?
Thanks for your views on this.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold! days, ones coming a declaration of YHWH and I Cut/03772 karath with the house of Yisra'el and with the house of Y@huwdah a New Covenant
Hebrews 8:8
For faulting them He is saying 'behold! days are coming,' is saying LORD 'and I shall be together-finishing/sun-telesw <4931> upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a New Covenant
Jeremiah 31:32
'Not according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which My covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them', saith YAHWEH.
Hebrews 8:9
'Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, in the day of My taking them by their hand, to bring them out of the land of Egypt -- because they did not remain in My covenant, and I did not regard them', saith the LORD, --
Jeremiah 31:33
'For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days', declares the LORD:
'I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts.
And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Hebrews 8:
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

13 in the to be saying `New,' He hath made Old the First.
The yet being aged and being obsolete nigh of disappearance
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Luke 5:
37 "And no one is casting young/neon <3501> wine into Old skins, if yet no surely shall be ruined the young wine of the skins, and it shall be being poured-out and its skin shall be perishing.
38 but young/neon <3501> wine into New/kainouV <2537> skins is to be cast and both are preserved together.
39 and no one driking Old immediately is willing young,
for he is saying, 'for the the Old is kind/mellow'".
[Matthew 9:17/Mark 2:22]




Establish a New Covenant or Renew the Old Covenant
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I think It is brand new.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

What was the covenant made with Israel in the day he lead them out of Egypt?

First circumcision of Israel by Moses?
Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

When and how did they discontinue it????? They died in the wilderness.

Second circumcision by Joshua.....
Joshua 5:2 At that time the LORD said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the second time. {sharp … : or, knives of flints }
3 And Joshua made him sharp knives, and circumcised the children of Israel at the hill of the foreskins. {sharp … : or, knives of flints } {the hill … : or, Gibeah-haaraloth }
4 And this is the cause why Joshua did circumcise: All the people that came out of Egypt, that were males, even all the men of war, died in the wilderness by the way, after they came out of Egypt.
5 Now all the people that came out were circumcised: but all the people that were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, them they had not circumcised.

Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

BABerean2 said:

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

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I don't know how to decipher your answer. I see Romans 11:15 to be a fulfillment of the prophesy ( and judgement) of the law. I am not so sure I would agree with the term emulation as a translation either because of that prophesy.
De 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

I look at the meaning of those terms and I do not see emulation so much.
How does their anger and envy help save some?