Medicare For All - A Losing Idea

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:

Well, to be fair. You could be affected by someone not having life insurance. That is, if you are the one having to pay for funeral expenses.

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But everyone is affected by those without insurance. Period. Fact.

dogs4thewin said:

but people still should not be required to have it.

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In the public interest they should, just as drivers and licensed professionals.

dogs4thewin said:

Just if they choose not to have it they are liable for every last penny of treatment. ( preferferly with no bankruptary protection. Choose not to have it fine, but if something happens you better know you could lose EVERYTHING.

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You speak so bravely. Most of us, no matter how much we'd like people to pay the ultimate price for their mistakes, don't have the guts to actually WATCH what would then transpire.

Tell me, if were to get that requirement passed by law, could you watch someone die in front of you and do nothing? (Remember, if you do ANYTHING to help them you are undercutting the rule you seem to want installed)

This is an honest question: could you watch someone die in front of you and do absolutely nothing if they made the wrong choices as to whether they used their limited funds to pay for food or healthcare insurance?

dogs4thewin said:

that sounds TOUGH to watch and I have watched someone die before my eyes and it is NOT easy.

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So, why would you think the rest of us would be OK with watching it? We are talking about healthcare here.

It's not like saying "You can't drive because you don't have auto insurance." This is much more important.

WHY doesn't everyone in this country just sit back and let others have healthcare? If you are of lesser means people like me who make more will carry the load! That's what being in a society is all about! WHY IS THIS A TOUGH CALL????

Why must we accept this draconian idea that people can only live if they are able to afford healthcare?

Virtually no other developed nation on earth is as money-obsessed and evil as we are in that respect. We have a sickness. We have many sicknesses...this is one we can cure. But we choose not to because we can't bear the idea that someone else might get something that we have to help pay for. What is wrong with us?

cow451 said:

But everyone is affected by those without insurance. Period. Fact.

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Well, I guess to get this thread back on the tracks. Medicare for all isn't going to work. It will either bankrupt the country, or you will be paying more in taxes than what your typical health insurance premiums would have been. Second, this "Medicare for all" gimmick is nothing but a pipe dream to get votes. Right up there with free college, free daycare, and the guaranteed living wage. I don't think any of the democrat candidates are actually serious about what they are proposing. If they are, they are a lot dumber than I thought. More than likely, they are just trying to bribe potential voters with things they know will never pass in congress so that they can blame republicans when it inevitably gets voted down. It is just a game. Unless the democrats miraculously get supermajorities in both the house and the senate, Medicare for all will never see the light of day.

This entire thread is proof that the Affordable Care Act is a failure. Because if it was so successful, there would be no need for Medicare at all. Much less Medicare for all. So if the Affordable Care Act is such a failure, why should we then trust progressives when they say that Medicare For All will fix the healthcare problem? Answer: It wont. They are just trying to buy votes with bribes because they have nothing else to get them elected. Trump bashing will only get you so far in a booming economy with low unemployment rates.

dogs4thewin said:

I have no problem helping people, but being forced to is a different ballgame.

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If you have a car, you are “forced” to have insurance. Gotta problem with that?

dogs4thewin said:

Just if they choose not to have it they are liable for every last penny of treatment. ( preferferly with no bankruptary protection. Choose not to have it fine, but if something happens you better know you could lose EVERYTHING.

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What happens when "every last penny" simply doesn't exist? Seems to me we'd be in exactly the same situation as now - that cost gets passed on to people who can pay.

dogs4thewin said:

I have no problem helping people, but being forced to is a different ballgame.

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Want to let us know how much of your tax bill goes to funding other people's health insurance? I seem to remember something about 10% or 20% being no big deal in a slightly different context. I'm curious if that's a universally applicable figure or if there's some wiggle room.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:

Well, I guess to get this thread back on the tracks. Medicare for all isn't going to work. It will either bankrupt the country, or you will be paying more in taxes than what your typical health insurance premiums would have been.

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Citation needed.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:

This entire thread is proof that the Affordable Care Act is a failure. Because if it was so successful, there would be no need for Medicare at all.

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You might want to show your work here.

dogs4thewin said:

I have no problem helping people, but being forced to is a different ballgame.

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I take it you don't own a home. Those of us who do have to pay property taxes which go to public schools. I don't have kids and never will...why do I pay for other people's kids education? BECAUSE A WELL EDUCATED SOCIETY HELPS EVERYONE...EVEN ME.

Aquila0121 said:

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If one keeps their private plan they will still face the tax increase. This means they will be paying more than DOUBLE what was ever intended. The Single Payer program is designed to immediately eliminate the high monthly premiums being paid currently, and replace them with a marginal tax increase. For example... let's say that you're paying $600 a month for a private family plan right now. That monthly premium will go away, and your taxes will increase maybe $180 to $200 dollars. This means you'd save roughly $400 to $420 a month. That's an extra $400 in pocket every month. In addition to there being no co-pays or deductibles.

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I don't really expect that the monthly payment would be that significantly reduced, but I would expect the elimination of co-pays/deductibles and an expansion of coverage. Importantly, a serious illness would not bankrupt anyone.

However, the big point you're establishing is that the Democrats are certainly not making it clear how the payment system would actually work. They don't seem to realize it's not clear to the public, and they don't realize that opposing forces are creating as much disinformation as possible.

The spirit of opposition to universal health care is the same spirit that drives abortion-on-demand.

It's a single life-hating spirit working both sides of the street.

RDKirk said:

The spirit of opposition to universal health care is the same spirit that drives abortion-on-demand.

It's a single life-hating spirit working both sides of the street.

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The difference lies in the tactics. The opposition to universal health care and the opposition to pro-choice are the same in the misinformation on which their arguments are based.