Can human become angel?

genez said:

Do you think we are going to be any different after we receive our resurrection bodies?

Think about it a moment.

Our home will be located in Heaven.

But? For those who qualify to reign with Christ? They will commute to earth. INSTANTLY!

How are we to be any different than angels in their capacity to suddenly appear and travel?

Man is soul in our essence. Angels, are spirit in their essence.

The body both angels and men have is only the vehicle used for navigating throughout the created physical world.

God is spirit. Angels came first. They are spirit in nature.

Man is soul. The Lord God of Israel has a soul.

The Holy Spirit is reflected by angels who are spirits.

The Son is reflected by righteous men who are souls.

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Angels are not spirit only... As we are not. They are physical beings and have at times even ate food. A spirit cannot do this on it's own. It must possess someone or something like a pig or other animal.

genez said:

That is a very narrow view. Evil spirits have been DENIED their physical bodies. They desire to possess even a herd of swine if they could. They crave a body. Not just human bodies.

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Agreed.

genez said:

Gabriel and Michael come to mind. Keep in mind... God could comment about you, by saying to the angels... "Look at that soul." Yet, when you die you will be only a soul until you get your resurrection body. Angels are spirit beings. Men are soul beings.

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Gabriel and Michael are arch angels. A specific type of angel.. not spirits only. They have physical bodies that are supernatural to ours and are not confined to the physics of this world.

genez said:

Too much book of Enoch, I see? Think about it. Satan possessed the serpent's body in the Garden. That was long before the Nephilim arrived on the scene. Why was Satan bodiless?

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Did he posses a serpant or take the form of a serpent? Big difference.

genez said:

Was Satan a Nephilim? No! Satan now has no body!

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Satan has a supernatural physicality.

genez said:

The Book of Enoch was entertainment for the highly religious Jewish people. Enoch was not telling them something new (other than his embellishments). For, the Jews already knew about the angels taking human women long before whoever Enoch was, was born. It was known to the Jews following Moses while yet in the wilderness.

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Enoch..... "whoever he was" Was so Godly that God just took him. He was real and was one of two people in history who have not died an earthly death.

Oh, he also existed before the Jewish people. He wrote a book that was on the Ark with Noah..

And... even though this book is not canon.... well not in our schools of religion.. it is in other Christian religions. It is even quoted and mentioned as a text source, in the canon.

What would you say if a scripture, considered canon, quoted another book that was once considered canon?

Maybe... just maybe... the Book of Enoch... should be canon but was removed because the information it contianed contradicted the agenda of the powers of this world... and they did not want that.


IMO.... the book of Enoch may not be Canon... but... if it was.... it would not change one thing in the recognized canon as far as what is necessary for salvation and it does not contradict the timeline nor the themes of the canon. It fits.... it's just that some things written there bother some people. They cannot come to grasps with it.. so.... the toss it out, ignore it or dispute it.

mmksparbud said:

Pgs. 35-47
Ch. 1-6
THE TARGUM OF ONKELOS
ON
THE BOOK BERESHITH
OR
GENESIS.
SECTION I.
BERESHITH BARA ELOHIM.

VI. And Noach was a son of five hundred years, and Noach begat Shem, Cham, and Japheth. And it was when the sons of men had begun to multiply upon the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of the mighty[32] saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and took to them wives of all whom they pleased.[33] And the Lord said, This evil generation shall not stand before me for ever, because they are flesh, and their works are evil. A term (or length) will I give them, an hundred and twenty years, if they may be converted. Giants were in the earth in those days; and also when, after that the sons of the mighty had gone in unto the daughters of men, there were born from them giants who from of old were men of name.

Targum
[ˈtärˌɡo͝om, -ˌɡo͞om]
NOUN
an ancient Aramaic paraphrase or interpretation of the Hebrew Bible, of a type made from about the 1st century ad when Hebrew was declining as a spoken language.

The Rabbis would read the Hebrew first, followed by the Aramaic. No---the Jews did not believe that the sons of God were fallen angels that had children with women.

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Many people do not believe many things... The truth is the truth and is not determined by the number of or background of those that confirm or deny it.

Truth is truth.. The "sons of God" took the "daughters of men".... pretty sound description... Note: it is not "the sons of some special men" or "the sons of these men".. or "The sons of any men"... But..."the sons of God" and they took "daughters of men"... It's clear.....

These were the fallen angels and Enoch explains who they were and their names.

You may not like it.... your not alone... I was never taught this in sunday school.... My pastor stated that they don't like to go there.... hmmm.... maybe that is a huge mistake..

But.... people will not stand for sound doctrine in the end times... go figure.

JacksBratt said:

Many people do not believe many things... The truth is the truth and is not determined by the number of or background of those that confirm or deny it.

Truth is truth.. The "sons of God" took the "daughters of men".... pretty sound description... Note: it is not "the sons of some special men" or "the sons of these men".. or "The sons of any men"... But..."the sons of God" and they took "daughters of men"... It's clear.....

These were the fallen angels and Enoch explains who they were and their names.

You may not like it.... your not alone... I was never taught this in sunday school.... My pastor stated that they don't like to go there.... hmmm.... maybe that is a huge mistake..

But.... people will not stand for sound doctrine in the end times... go figure.

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When the original wording in the original language is not taken into consideration, wrong conclusions are inevitable. Would you please state the height of these half-breeds please?

JacksBratt said:

Many people do not believe many things... The truth is the truth and is not determined by the number of or background of those that confirm or deny it.

Truth is truth.. The "sons of God" took the "daughters of men".... pretty sound description... Note: it is not "the sons of some special men" or "the sons of these men".. or "The sons of any men"... But..."the sons of God" and they took "daughters of men"... It's clear.....

These were the fallen angels and Enoch explains who they were and their names.

You may not like it.... your not alone... I was never taught this in sunday school.... My pastor stated that they don't like to go there.... hmmm.... maybe that is a huge mistake..

But.... people will not stand for sound doctrine in the end times... go figure.

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‘They’ think that the ‘sons of God’ are the 'sons of Seth’ Go figure :eyeroll:

LoreneDD said:

‘They’ think that the ‘sons of God’ are the 'sons of Seth’ Go figure :eyeroll:

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Who is "they" and why would they say "sons of Seth" when he is not mentioned?

mmksparbud said:

Who is "they" and why would they say "sons of Seth" when he is not mentioned?

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“They’ are the meeds (or whoever says things that becomes a new buzzword) and I think because of different ways of interpretation of divine ones. It’s not what I think. May have been YeshuaYeff. Do you think it was fallen angels that married human beings?

LoreneDD said:

“They’ are the meeds (or whoever says things that becomes a new buzzword) and I think because of different ways of interpretation of divine ones. It’s not what I think. May have been YeshuaYeff. Do you think it was fallen angels that married human beings?

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Absolutely not. In the 1st place, why in the world would fallen angels, who have rebelled against God--get "married"? A religious and/or civil ceremony--why would they care about civil or religious requirements?

mmksparbud said:

God clearly states the reason He destroyed the world with a flood. No need to make things up.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Not a single word about tainted blood or half-breed angels---men were unbelievably wicked and violent.

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It's there. You missed it...

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.


Simply... all flesh was corrupted. Noah, we read, was the only one pure in his generations... of pure DNA.... of pure created human...

Only Noah... his wife and his sons....

mmksparbud said:

God clearly states the reason He destroyed the world with a flood. No need to make things up.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Not a single word about tainted blood or half-breed angels---men were unbelievably wicked and violent.

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OK...... alright. .. maybe in the future some pastor can explain it you in a way you will be made able to comprehend what the words meant.

Others here get. Some always will not.

Have a nice Day.

mmksparbud said:

Absolutely not. In the 1st place, why in the world would fallen angels, who have rebelled against God--get "married"? A religious and/or civil ceremony--why would they care about civil or religious requirements?

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They saw the women and that they were beautiful.

Also... Satan was trying to corrupt the human bloodline so that Christ could never be born as a pure human and save the human race.

Satan hates the humans because God loves us and we are who God wants for fellowship... Satan was trying to do away with Gods favorite creation by corrupting it....

He almost succeded.. only 5 people who were pure in their relations remained.... "All flesh was corrupted"

JacksBratt said:

It's there. You missed it...

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.


Simply... all flesh was corrupted. Noah, we read, was the only one pure in his generations... of pure DNA.... of pure created human...

Only Noah... his wife and his sons....

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LOL! Yes--they were corrupted---they were wicked and violent. Nothing there about blood lines or DNA. Why is what God said--they were wicked and violent--not enough? Why make up stuff?

mmksparbud said:

Absolutely not. In the 1st place, why in the world would fallen angels, who have rebelled against God--get "married"? A religious and/or civil ceremony--why would they care about civil or religious requirements?

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The Hebrew does not say "married."

That is what some uptight blushing translator rendered it to mean.

The Hebrew means they took passionately to themselves woman they chose after having evaluated them. The word "marry" does not appear in the Hebrew. Nor does the word "wives." The Hebrew word 'ishah' simply means "woman." Apparently, aesthetic, prudish translators chose "married" to convey that sex was going on. What went on would be rated X in a movie today. God put it on record in Scripture because it happened that way.

mmksparbud said:

Absolutely not. In the 1st place, why in the world would fallen angels, who have rebelled against God--get "married"? A religious and/or civil ceremony--why would they care about civil or religious requirements?

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Genesis 6:2 doesn’t necessarily say that the “sons of God” married women. The word in Hebrew where we see “wives” in English, can be, and is translated as both wives and women. It’s even used to refer to female animals when Noah took them into the ark.

The Young’s Literal Translation translates it as women, and not wives.

Genesis 6:2 YLT

and sons of God see the daughters of men that they are fair, and they take to themselves women of all whom they have chosen.

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JacksBratt said:

They saw the women and that they were beautiful.

Also... Satan was trying to corrupt the human bloodline so that Christ could never be born as a pure human and save the human race.

Satan hates the humans because God loves us and we are who God wants for fellowship... Satan was trying to do away with Gods favorite creation by corrupting it....

He almost succeded.. only 5 people who were pure in their relations remained.... "All flesh was corrupted"

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genez said:

OK...... alright. .. maybe in the future some pastor can explain it you in a way you will be made able to comprehend what the words meant.

Others here get. Some always will not.

Have a nice Day.

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I don't care what some pastor says---the bible is quite clear. Indeed, truth is truth--And God doesn't lie. He said clearly why He destroyed the earth and nowhere is DNA or bloodlines mentioned. Nobody has said how tall these half-breeds were, it is stated in the book of Enoch---written in the 1st century, long after the flood.

mmksparbud said:

I don't care what some pastor says---the bible is quite clear. Indeed, truth is truth--And God doesn't lie. He said clearly why He destroyed the earth and nowhere is DNA or bloodlines mentioned. Nobody has said how tall these half-breeds were, it is stated in the book of Enoch---written in the 1st century, long after the flood.

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OK.... nice to have met you.

JacksBratt said:

It's there. You missed it...

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.


Simply... all flesh was corrupted. Noah, we read, was the only one pure in his generations... of pure DNA.... of pure created human...

Only Noah... his wife and his sons....

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Give me a break!

Ya know, if you would read before and after the things your going to post as Scriptural support for your views, you would find, most of the time they cant be
used.

Gen 6:9-13
9) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

This says Noah was a Perfect man, not a pure one.

10) And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11) The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

This says Corrupt and filled with Violence.

12) And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

This says Corrupted his way, Not his DNA.


13) And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

This say the earth was filled with Violence, not Nephelims, Subtrahends and Minuends.

No mention of what your espousing.

mmksparbud said:

Absolutely not. In the 1st place, why in the world would fallen angels, who have rebelled against God--get "married"? A religious and/or civil ceremony--why would they care about civil or religious requirements?

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Genesis 6:1-2
When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose.

Dkh587 said:

Genesis 6:2 doesn’t necessarily say that the “sons of God” married women. The word in Hebrew where we see “wives” in English, can be, and is translated as both wives and women. It’s even used to refer to female animals when Noah took them into the ark.

The Young’s Literal Translation translates it as women, and not wives.

Genesis 6:2 YLT

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ok ...

genez said:

The Hebrew does not say "married."

That is what some uptight blushing translator rendered it to mean.

The Hebrew means they took passionately to themselves woman they chose after having evaluated them. The word "marry" does not appear in the Hebrew. Nor does the word "wives." The Hebrew word 'ishah' simply means "woman." Apparently, aesthetic, prudish translators chose "married" to convey that sex was going on. What went on would be rated X in a movie today. God put it on record in Scripture because it happened that way.

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That's right it doesn't say married.

2 and~they(m)~will~SEE(V) (וַיִּרְאוּ / wai'yir'u) SON~s (בְנֵי / vê'ney) the~Elohiym (הָאֱלֹהִים / ha'e'lo'him) AT (אֶת / et) DAUGHTER~s (בְּנוֹת / bê'not) the~HUMAN (הָאָדָם / ha'a'dam) GIVEN.THAT (כִּי / ki) FUNCTIONAL~s (טֹבֹת / to'vot) THEY(f) (הֵנָּה / heyn'nah) and~they(m)~will~TAKE(V) (וַיִּקְחוּ / wai'yiq'hhu) to~~them(m) (לָהֶם / la'hem) WOMAN~s (נָשִׁים / na'shim) from~ALL (מִכֹּל / mi'kol) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) they~did~CHOOSE(V) (בָּחָרוּ / ba'hha'ru)

RMT: and the sons of the Elohiym saw the daughters of the human, that they were functional, and took for them women from all which they chose,

Elohiym: (masc.: אלוהים / e'lo'him) MT: POWER~s RMT: Powers. Strong's: #0430

Occurrences of Elohim that don't mean God:
• Genesis 23:6

(Green Hear us, my lord. You are a [not translated ] prince among us...

(KJV Hear us, my lord: thou art a mighty prince among us.

• Exodus 4:16

God explains to Moses that his brother Aaron will be a mouth to him, while Moses will be an elohim to Aaron. No construction with "god" or "God" for elohim stays true to context or Biblical theology:

(Green And he shall speak for you to the people. And it shall be, he shall be a mouth for you, and you shall be a god for him.

(KJV And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God .

• Exodus 7:1

Same as previous. Some (NAS) translate with "as God," but that's untrue to context and theology.

(GreenAnd Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made you a god to Pharaoh; and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

(KJVAnd the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

• Exodus 21:6

This verse is strongly debated. Half of the translations render "God" but that seems difficult logistically. Others read "judges" — as this scene is after the Exodus 18 internal organization of Israel and the installation of a team of judges — either direct or per foot note (NAS). The Statenvertaling even suggests that God wants the master to take his slave to "the gods," which is obviously a most peculiar translation.

(Green his master shall bring him to God ...

(KJV, Webster Then his master shall bring him unto the judges ...

• Exodus 22:9

Same as before, except that Green now translates "God" and NAS "judges," with "God" in a side-note.

(Green ... the case of both of them shall come to God . Whom God declares guilty, he shall repay double to his neighbor.

(KJV the cause of both parties shall come before the judges ; and whom the judges shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbor.

• Deuteronomy 10:17, Joshua 22:22 & Psalm 136:2

And what to think of this one: Moses, Joshua and a Psalmist declare the Living God the elohim of elohim. If the second occurrence of the word elohim is to denote un-gods, the real God holds a very precarious, if not forbidden station...

The famous phrase "Lord of lords," may be best understood by our word "Emperor": the regent of many sub-regencies, or "President" over many sovereign State-governments, and certainly suggests God's usage of ruling agencies under or in His government.

(Green For Jehovah your God , He is the God of gods , and the Lord of lords, ...

(KJV For the LORD your God is God of gods , and Lord of lords, ...

• Psalm 82:1

(Elohim stands in the company of El, in the midst of elohim he judges.)

(Green God stands in the assembly of God ; He judges in the midst of the gods.

(KJV God standeth in the congregation of the mighty ; he judgeth among the gods.

(NAS God takes His stand in His own congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers.

• Psalm 82:6

(Green I have said, You are gods , and all of you are sons of the Most High.

(KJV I have said, Ye are gods ; and all of you are children of the most High.

(NAS I said, "You are gods , and all of you are sons of the Most High."

• Psalm 138:1

If this occurrence of elohim means un-gods, King David is saying something similar to, "Dear wife, I'm singing your praises in front of a bunch of prostitutes." King David is probably pointing at the kings of the earth he mentions in verse 4.

(Green I will thank You with my whole heart; I will sing praise to You before the gods.

(KJV I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.

Some occurrences of el not meaning God:
• Ezekiel 31:11

(Green so I have given him into the mighty hand of the nations.

(NAS therefore, I will give it into the hand of a despot of the nations.

• Ezekiel 32:21

(GreenThe strong of the mighty shall speak to him from the midst of Sheol;...

(NAS The strong among the mighty ones...

• Genesis 31:29

(GreenIt is in the power of my hand to do you harm...

(NASIt is in my power to do you harm...

• Deuteronomy 28:32;

(GreenAnd no power shall be in your hand.

(NAS But there shall be nothing you can do.

Again, how did fallen angels, created to be messengers of God, who were all only male come to have the "equipment" needed to reproduce with creatures that were not of their kind? Even if such a thing was possible, at creation God said after their kind. Even apes, which evolutionists' say are close to us and we came from them, can not impregnate a woman. Women can not have the offspring of anything other than a human and angels are not human.


"7th chapter of the Book of Enoch specifically references the height of the giants. The translation I have says, “And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind.”[3] An ancient ell is roughly a cubit or 18 inches. Therefore, the text actually says that these giants were 4,500 feet tall. Many supporters of the extreme figures argue this is a textual error and the verse should read 300 ells, or 450 feet.

Just to put this in perspective, the Statue of Liberty is 151 feet tall. Even if you include the base, she is only 305 feet tall. To give you an idea of the size we are talking about, if the faces on Mount Rushmore had bodies, they would be 465 feet tall."

OK---so let's say they were 450 ft tall. What size baby would that be? And just what human woman could possibly carry a baby that huge? Even a little person who is having a normal sized baby has it by caesarian and are monitored closely, it is a high risk pregnancy.

According to Guinness Book of World Records, the biggest baby ever born weighed 23 pounds 12 ounces, and was 30 inches long. He was born to Canadian Anna Bates in 1879 . Unfortunately, he died just 11 hours later.
She was 7 ft 11 inches and weighed 330-371 lbs. She died at 42. Both her children died at birth.

You all seriously think this is a human possibility?

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