WHY IS THERE SO MANY WARNINGS FROM GOD'S WORD ABOUT LOSING SALVATION IF IT IS NOT POSSIBLE??

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Yes, and many many warnings in Yahuweh's Word Verify this.
Trouble is, in the end days, people fall away, (... ... ... etc ... ... ... ) , and don't understand,
and false teachings are far more popular than the truth.
Thus multitudes today believing false teachings perish, and are told they did not make it,
ON JUDGMENT DAY (when it is far far too late to do anything to be saved).
It is better to be warned TODAY, as Scripture says clearly, to have a chance to not be deceived, to be kept by Truth from the deception of sin, so as not to forfeit salvation, so as not to fall away as many already have.

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It's all there in scripture.

redleghunter said:

He did so as reassuring them of the fact. That is why He called them friends and no longer servants.

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If He was reassuring them it wouldn’t make sense to say

“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:4-10‬ ‭NASB‬‬

He’s giving them a commandment and explaining the consequences of disobeying the commandment. Then He says IF you abide in Me indicating the possibility of them not abiding and IF you keep my commandments indicating the possibility of them not keeping His commandments. None of this indicates that He is reassuring them that they will undoubtedly abide and undoubtedly bear fruit. His statement in verse 16 is much like an employer would say to an employee, I have hired you to do a job so do it.

“You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:16‬ ‭NASB‬‬

BNR32FAN said:

If He was reassuring them it wouldn’t make sense to say

“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:4-10‬ ‭NASB‬‬

He’s giving them a commandment and explaining the consequences of disobeying the commandment. Then He says IF you abide in Me indicating the possibility of them not abiding and IF you keep my commandments indicating the possibility of them not keeping His commandments. None of this indicates that He is reassuring them that they will undoubtedly abide and undoubtedly bear fruit. His statement in verse 16 is much like an employer would say to an employee, I have hired you to do a job so do it.

“You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:16‬ ‭NASB‬‬

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It is your view Jesus was "shaking up the troops" before He was betrayed?

That would be odd given Jesus said:

“These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full."

Which put in the context of what just happened (Judas leaving to betray Jesus), Jesus was explaining the difference between a false disciple and a true disciple. Then tells them they were chosen, appointed and preserved.

redleghunter said:

Now finish it out:

17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. ​

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Yet Paul says the opposite by stating "you were", "you became", "having been" and "you became."

He did not offer such a statement as you are suggesting. He was warning them to live holy and pure lives because that is their new nature in face of still being in the world of flesh.



Let's put in context and finish it off:

2 Timothy 2: NASB

8Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descendant of David, according to my gospel, 9for which I suffer hardship even to imprisonment as a criminal; but the word of God is not imprisoned. 10For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.

11It is a trustworthy statement:
For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;

12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.​

He said nothing about losing salvation. He did say "If we deny Him, He also will deny us."

He also said "if we died with Him we also will live with Him." He also said "If we endure we will also reign with Him."

These are maxims as Paul states "It is a trustworthy statement" which means for all not just the audience. Everything he states will lead to the logical conclusion.

The same goes for verse 13 for truly not matter what anyone does or does not due in the world Christ remains faithful. This is a statement on the Sovereign Grace and Love of God.

Paul is instructing Timothy on what he must teach and remind others (verse 14). These maxims are part of "the faith which was once for all was handed down to the saints." (Jude 3)

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Do you understand what Paul is referring to when he says if we deny Him He will deny us?

“"Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:32-33‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Anyone Jesus denies before The Father will not enter heaven.

If we are faithless He is faithful for He cannot deny Himself.

Do you know what this means? It means He is God who is just both in kindness and severity. If we are faithless He is faithful to be just and we will be judged accordingly. I’m sure you remember Ephesians 2:8 by grace you are saved thru faith, not faithlessness. Jesus is faithful to reward the faithful and punish the unfaithful.

redleghunter said:

It is your view Jesus was "shaking up the troops" before He was betrayed?

That would be odd given Jesus said:

“These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full."

Which put in the context of what just happened (Judas leaving to betray Jesus), Jesus was explaining the difference between a false disciple and a true disciple. Then tells them they were chosen, appointed and preserved.

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What joy would they receive if they failed to abide? Their fate would be the lake of fire. So yes their joy will only be made full IF they abide like He said right before this statement.

“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:10-11‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Their joy is contingent on their obedience to His commandments. Nobody ever uses the word IF to reassure someone. It is only used when a condition is involved.

BNR32FAN said:

Nobody ever uses the word IF to reassure someone. It is only used when a condition is involved.

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Jesus often (in English translations) used the word "if" with the Apostles and disciples following Him, WHICH IS GREAT REASSURANCE ! FOR ALL EKKLESIA !
and often (always?) had a condition or conditions that must be met for the accomplishment of both blessings and curses, and always IS GREAT REASSURANCE FOR ALL EKKLESIA ...
AND at the same time as being reassurance,
it is or can be also cause for fear and trembling at times, for Ekklesia.....

What is this blindness to scripture and believing doctrine contrary to our Saviour's own teaching? Why do people believe what others tell them rather than plain words?

We have thousands of words of scripture revealed to us and it is consistent. What troubles me is the amount of double-talk advocates of OSAS etc need.

How can they give an account to the Lord God Almighty for ignoring it and encouraging others in the deception?

The summer reading challenge alloted reading was 1 Timothy today. I've noticed more warnings in there too. I don't understand them all, but @LoveGodsWord if you'd like I can share them?

1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 3:6
1 Timothy 4:1
1 Timothy 4:16
1 Timothy 5:6-15
1 Timothy 5:24
1 Timothy 6:9
1 Timothy 6:12
1 Timothy 6:20-21

Sam91 said:

What is this blindness to scripture and believing doctrine contrary to our Saviour's own teaching? Why do people believe what others tell them rather than plain words?

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All the disobedience and false teachings are
described clearly in Scripture in many places, and the reasons why.

It seems mostly, since the LIGHT has come, and the people reject the LIGHT,
this is the main reason <we can know> that the truth (LIGHT) is rejected (i.e. it is prophesied)
and
why others who teach heresies or errors contrary to all Scripture is accepted by the people.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

??
Jesus often (in English translations) used the word "if" with the Apostles and disciples following Him, WHICH IS GREAT REASSURANCE ! FOR ALL EKKLESIA !
and often (always?) had a condition or conditions that must be met for the accomplishment of both blessings and curses, and always IS GREAT REASSURANCE FOR ALL EKKLESIA ...
AND at the same time as being reassurance,
it is or can be also cause for fear and trembling at times, for Ekklesia.....

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Yes I completely agree but not reassurance in the sense that redleg was referring to. He was using it in the context that Jesus was reassuring the apostles that they would undoubtedly abide in him and bear fruit because he had chosen them. The context of Jesus’ previous statements do not support this idea at all.

BNR32FAN said:

Yes I completely agree but not reassurance in the sense that redleg was referring to. He was using it in the context that Jesus was reassuring the apostles that they would undoubtedly abide in him and bear fruit because he had chosen them. The context of Jesus’ previous statements do not support this idea at all.

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In other words, as God's Word Says Clearly, the believers are to be "terrified" lest anyone should fall short through the deceitfulness of sin... (Hebrews)
and KEEP WARNING EACH OTHER, keep watch over one another, DAILY, to guard against that happening ?

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi brother BNR32FAN, nice to see you. It is interesting I have only posted a fraction of the scriptures to keep the size of the OP down but JOHN 15 is indeed an absoutely great chapter on this topic. When read in connection with all the other scriptures the evidence is overwelming and I believe it is why JESUS says many are called and few are chosen. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

God bless.

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Yes the implications in John 15 are overwhelming and irrefutable. It was John 15 that caused me to reevaluate my entire belief system going from faith alone and eternal security to conditional security. It was a long and tough journey. I had to go back and reevaluate the scriptures that I thought supported salvation by faith without works and eternal security and determine if there was another way to view these verses. I found that there was and they actually made more sense in light of all scripture. Before I always had verses that were unexplainable. That was because I was looking at them from a Protestant point of view. It wasn’t until I began looking into Orthodoxy that things became clear. Now all the scriptures fit together in perfect harmony.

LoveGodsWord said:

Yet who are those he called friends?

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Because they loved Him. The good fruit from the good tree.