LDS How to Become a God

mmksparbud · Aug 2, 2019

He is the way said:
These did not keep the commandments (do the will of the Father).

Sure they did---just like this guy did

Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

The Pharisees and Sadducees prided themselves on keeping the commandments. Very, very careful to do so.

Rescued One · Aug 2, 2019

He is the way said:
Some people believe that they are the only ones to be saved, but the Bible states that ALL of those who keep the commandments will be saved.

It does NOT say that. If you want to be saved by keeping the law, you have to obey 100% of it 100% of the time.

Rescued One · Aug 2, 2019

He is the way said:
(New Testament | Romans 2:1 - 13)

1 THEREFORE thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

He is the way · Aug 3, 2019

Pedra said:
No it doesn't.

Yes it does!:
(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

(Old Testament | Exodus 20:6)

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

(New Testament | John 14:15 - 17)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

(New Testament | John 14:23 - 24)

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

He is the way · Aug 3, 2019

Pedra said:
The "church of the latter day saints" would be in that category correct? they think they are "THE" church and the only one going to heaven. They believe the bible is corrupt and they are the only ones with the right teachings -- that the best evolved men of them will become "gods" and have their own planets.

No we are NOT in that category. We believe that every person that ever lived will have the opportunity to go to heaven. Jesus LOVED everyone. He LOVED the Jews, Romans, Samaritans, Gentiles, etc. However not everyone LOVES Him:

(New Testament | John 14:24)

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
He taught that people need to repent and sin no more.

He is the way · Aug 3, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
It does NOT say that. If you want to be saved by keeping the law, you have to obey 100% of it 100% of the time.

Sometimes people do make mistakes, but it is important to do our best not to sin:

(New Testament | Hebrews 10:26)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

(New Testament | Romans 3:31)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

(New Testament | Romans 6:13 - 18)

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Pedra · Aug 3, 2019

He is the way said:
No we are NOT in that category. We believe that every person that ever lived will have the opportunity to go to heaven. Jesus LOVED everyone. He LOVED the Jews, Romans, Samaritans, Gentiles, etc. However not everyone LOVES Him:

(New Testament | John 14:24)

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
He taught that people need to repent and sin no more.

Though c of lds like to quote the scriptures and speak "christian-eze"
Mormons are taught to believe in something else entirely from Christian teachings, here is a small sampling of false teachings.

....God the Father had a father
....God the Father is a man from another planet
...."God the Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as a man's..."
.....God the Father resides near a star called Kolob
.....there are many, many gods
......there is a Mother goddess
....God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children
.......the Trinity is 3 separate Gods
......when a man becomes a good mormon he then has the potential to become a god
......the "true" gospel was LOST from the earth & "mormonism" is the restoration of the real gospel
....there was no SALVATION until Joseph Smith restored the real "gospel"
....there is no SALVATION outside of the church of latter day saints
.....no Salvation without the acceptance of Joseph smith as God's prophet
.... good works are necessary for Salvation
......humans are begotten as spirit children THEN born on the earth

Peter1000 · Aug 3, 2019

Pedra said:
The doctrines in Mormonism are "MISSING" from the BIBLE for GOOD REASON-- Because They are NOT taught by the Holy Spirit. The LDS doctrines were taught by deceiving spirits. That should be obvious.

No the doctrines are not missing. Let me give you an example of what I am talking about:
Read John
John 3:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Here Jesus tells Nicodemus that a man must be born again or he cannot see the KOG.

Nicodemus is confused about that concept.

Jesus then says, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the KOG.

What has been lost here is the explanation of what Jesus meant when he said must be
"born again". And next, what did Jesus mean when he said must be "born of the water and of the Spirit."

The meaning is missing. Was it ever there? Or has it somehow been lost due to carelessness, or deliberate taking away to push a certain agenda? Or was it not there in the first place because all people at that time new what that verbiage meant? I do not know. Neither do you. So what we are left to today is 'interpretation'. Fill in the blanks the best we can.

You fill in the blanks by saying that 'born again' means that you were once born of water when you were first born, so you must be born again of the Spirit. So 'born again' means baptism of the Spirit only. It does not mean that you need to be baptized of water.

We fill in the blanks by saying that 'born again' means that you must be born or the water through water baptism, where your sins are buried in a watery grave and you are born again in a pure and clean condition, ready to do the will of Jesus Christ. To complete being born again, you must be also born again of the Spirit by receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.

These are 2 of probably 10 other interpretations that have filtered down through the ages about this passage of scripture.

There are many other scriptures in the bible that we feel support our interpretation of this passage, so we are comfortable in a reasonable interpretation. But if the explanation would have accompanied this passage it could have solved a lot of debate, which has been raging since 150ad.

That is what I meant about simple things have been lost that confuse all of our understanding of even simple doctrines like baptism.

Peter1000 · Aug 3, 2019

Pedra said:
Though c of lds like to quote the scriptures and speak "christian-eze"
Mormons are taught to believe in something else entirely from Christian teachings, here is a small sampling of false teachings.

....God the Father had a father
....God the Father is a man from another planet
...."God the Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as a man's..."
.....God the Father resides near a star called Kolob
.....there are many, many gods
......there is a Mother goddess
....God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children
.......the Trinity is 3 separate Gods
......when a man becomes a good mormon he then has the potential to become a god
......the "true" gospel was LOST from the earth & "mormonism" is the restoration of the real gospel
....there was no SALVATION until Joseph Smith restored the real "gospel"
....there is no SALVATION outside of the church of latter day saints
.....no Salvation without the acceptance of Joseph smith as God's prophet
.... good works are necessary for Salvation
......humans are begotten as spirit children THEN born on the earth

Again, rant and rage and no answer to he is the way. How do you keep it up.

mmksparbud · Aug 3, 2019

Peter1000 said:
No the doctrines are not missing. Let me give you an example of what I am talking about:
Read John
John 3:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Here Jesus tells Nicodemus that a man must be born again or he cannot see the KOG.

Nicodemus is confused about that concept.

Jesus then says, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the KOG.

What has been lost here is the explanation of what Jesus meant when he said must be
"born again". And next, what did Jesus mean when he said must be "born of the water and of the Spirit."

The meaning is missing. Was it ever there? Or has it somehow been lost due to carelessness, or deliberate taking away to push a certain agenda? Or was it not there in the first place because all people at that time new what that verbiage meant? I do not know. Neither do you. So what we are left to today is 'interpretation'. Fill in the blanks the best we ca

You fill in the blanks by saying that 'born again' means that you were once born of water when you were first born, so you must be born again of the Spirit. So 'born again' means baptism of the Spirit only. It does not mean that you need to be baptized of water.

We fill in the blanks by saying that 'born again' means that you must be born or the water through water baptism, where the your sins are buried in a watery grave and you are born again in a pure and clean condition, ready to do the will of Jesus Christ. To complete being born again, you must be also born again of the Spirit by receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.

These are 2 of probably 10 other interpretations that have filtered down through the ages about this passage of scripture.

There are many other scriptures in the bible that we feel support our interpretation of this passage, so we are comfortable in a reasonable interpretation. But if the explanation would have accompanied this passage it could have solved a lot of debate, which has been raging since 150ad.

That is what I meant about simple things have been lost that confuse all of our understanding of even simple doctrines like baptism.

Born again to you means that spirit children become human???!!!!!!!!!!!

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Anyone born into this world is of corruptible seed--mortal. When we are born again ---as shown through baptism, we are born of water and of spirit---the spirit of God through His Holy Spirit now dwells in us. We are raised up from the water of incorruptible seed, when we die we do not die as the unsaved, we obtain immortality and are given that gift upon our resurrection. Baptism is being buried with Christ, our old nature dying and being resurrected when we come up out of the water unto eternal life with Jesus. You mean to tell me that even baptism, JS got totally screwed up??!!

Pedra · Aug 3, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Again, rant and rage and no answer to he is the way. How do you keep it up.

I am not ranting and have no rage.
Why do I continue to bother? --Because it is a matter of life and death. Because of those who preach spiritual lies which lead others astray. Because I was deceived by a false teaching before I was Christian.
Because the Holy Spirit within calls the true believers to contend for the Faith that has been given us... and that means exposing the lies & deceptions that lead others away from the narrow way --truth that is only found in Jesus Christ, the one that the Bible reveals , not the false Christ of Mormonism.
My burden is for those who are deceived and think they are Christians on their way to heaven, when they are given a substitute of God's truth and will lose their eternal souls because they believed the LIES of Joseph Smith etc... instead of God's word.
There is only one Gospel of Jesus Christ--Ephesians 2:8 "8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and THIS IS NOT FROM YOURSELVES; it is the Gift of GOD,it is the gift of God, 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.…"

Peter1000 · Aug 3, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Born again to you means that spirit children become human???!!!!!!!!!!!

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Anyone born into this world is of corruptible seed--mortal. When we are born again ---as shown through baptism, we are born of water and of spirit---the spirit of God through His Holy Spirit now dwells in us. We are raised up from the water of incorruptible seed, when we die we do not die as the unsaved, we obtain immortality and are given that gift upon our resurrection. Baptism is being buried with Christ, our old nature dying and being resurrected when we come up out of the water unto eternal life with Jesus. You mean to tell me that even baptism, JS got totally screwed up??!!

Not if you believe in water baptism by immersion and baptism of the Holy Spirit. If you believe this, we agree about this anyway.

Pedra · Aug 3, 2019

Unmasking the wolves is not an easy job but it's what we are called to do.

Peter1000 said:
Again, rant and rage and no answer to he is the way. How do you keep it up.

I know it must be hard to hear what you have believed about Joseph Smith is false & that his teachings are not Christian.
Please , you need to be deprogrammed from believing the falsehoods that you have been taught through Mormonism. You have invested too many yrs already in the Mormon church that has lead you away from the true GOD and Savior Jesus Christ , to believe in a false human God & a false Christ.

Peter1000 · Aug 3, 2019

Pedra said:
Because it is a matter of life and death. Because of those who preach spiritual lies which lead others astray. The Holy Spirit within calls believers to contend for the Faith and that means exposing the lies.
My burden is for those who are deceived and think they are Christians on their way to heaven, when they are given a substitute of God's truth and will lose their eternal souls because they believed the LIES of Joseph Smith etc... instead of God's word.
There is only one Gospel of Jesus Christ--Ephesians 2:8 "8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and THIS IS NOT FROM YOURSELVES; it is the Gift of GOD,it is the gift of God, 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.…"

If you read all of the bible your Ephesians 2:8 seems to conflict with 100 other bible scriptures. You are the one that is deceiving. You are preaching another gospel than the bible, because as important as Ephesians 8:8 is, it is only one part of the being saved process.
For instance John 3:3-5 says that you must be born again of the water and of the Spirit or you willl not see the KOG.

So now we have 1)it is by grace that you are saved, and we have 2) you must be born again of the water and of the Spirit in order to be saved.

There are other scriptures that tell us there is more of the process than just the information disclosed by these 2 scriptures. Do you agree with me, at least on these 2 scriptures?

Pedra · Aug 3, 2019

Peter1000 said:
If you read all of the bible your Ephesians 2:8 seems to conflict with 100 other bible scriptures.
You are the one that is deceiving.
You are preaching another gospel than the bible, because as important as Ephesians 8:8 is, it is only one part of the being saved process.
For instance John 3:3-5 says that you must be born again of the water and of the Spirit or you willl not see the KOG.

So now we have 1)it is by grace that you are saved, and we have 2) you must be born again of the water and of the Spirit in order to be saved.

There are other scriptures that tell us there is more of the process than just the information disclosed by these 2 scriptures. Do you agree with me, at least on these 2 scriptures?

So , I expose your prophet as a false prophet and you personally attack me.

Pedra · Aug 3, 2019

Peter1000 said:
If you read all of the bible your Ephesians 2:8 seems to conflict with 100 other bible scriptures. You are the one that is deceiving. You are preaching another gospel than the bible, because as important as Ephesians 8:8 is, it is only one part of the being saved process.
For instance John 3:3-5 says that you must be born again of the water and of the Spirit or you willl not see the KOG.

So now we have 1)it is by grace that you are saved, and we have 2) you must be born again of the water and of the Spirit in order to be saved.

There are other scriptures that tell us there is more of the process than just the information disclosed by these 2 scriptures. Do you agree with me, at least on these 2 scriptures?

Do not just take that one sentence from the conversation with Nicodemus- read the whole conversation Jesus had with him. Jesus told Nicodemus how to get saved - to believe in Him, read the whole conversation in John 3.
John 3 9Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be?” 10Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? 11“Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. 12“If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13“No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. 14“As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life."

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

Jesus was telling the Jew Nicodemus you must be born again for salvation. All true believers in Christ Jesus are born again the moment we repent & BELIEVE with faith in Jesus as our Lord and Savior, who came to pay the penalty for all our sin.
All humans are born of water- that is the human birth, but for eternal life we must be born by the baptism of the Holy Spirit--this is the second birth Jesus was referring which occurs when we believe the gospel i.e the good news that Jesus saves us from the judgment & wrath of GOD by paying the debt we owe.

Pedra · Aug 3, 2019

Peter1000 said:
For instance John 3:3-5 says that you must be born again of the water and of the Spirit or you willl not see the KOG.

Watch this Peter
What does it mean to be a born again Christian? | GotQuestions.org

Peter1000 · Aug 3, 2019

Pedra said:
Watch this Peter
What does it mean to be a born again Christian? | GotQuestions.org

Thank you for sharing. I have studied your path to being saved many times. Here it is:
1) you must hear about Jesus from some source.
2) you must read and ponder and pray about Jesus.
3) you must believe in Jesus. As the article says, 'Eternal Life' is imparted to a person who believes in Jesus.
4) you must be born again. As the article says, 'Trusting in Jesus Christ, the One who paid the penalty of sin when He died on the cross, is the means to be "born again."
5) you receive his grace, but only if you trust in Jesus. (It is by grace through "faith" that you are saved.

So thank you again, as you can see being saved is not just being born again or receiving grace, it is a process. The article was good for me too.

Peter1000 · Aug 3, 2019

Pedra said:
So , I expose your prophet as a false prophet and you personally attack me.

Tirade instead of dialogue. You have only exposed yourself to "it is by grace you are saved". This is a false gospel because it is not complete per the bible. Read all of the bible and you will find out that I and JS were right.

He is the way · Aug 3, 2019

Pedra said:
Though c of lds like to quote the scriptures and speak "christian-eze"
Mormons are taught to believe in something else entirely from Christian teachings, here is a small sampling of false teachings.

....God the Father had a father
....God the Father is a man from another planet
...."God the Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as a man's..."
.....God the Father resides near a star called Kolob
.....there are many, many gods
......there is a Mother goddess
....God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children
.......the Trinity is 3 separate Gods
......when a man becomes a good mormon he then has the potential to become a god
......the "true" gospel was LOST from the earth & "mormonism" is the restoration of the real gospel
....there was no SALVATION until Joseph Smith restored the real "gospel"
....there is no SALVATION outside of the church of latter day saints
.....no Salvation without the acceptance of Joseph smith as God's prophet
.... good works are necessary for Salvation
......humans are begotten as spirit children THEN born on the earth

Most of those things we do believe except:
"there was no SALVATION until Joseph Smith restored the real "gospel"
....there is no SALVATION outside of the church of latter day saints
.....no Salvation without the acceptance of Joseph smith as God's prophet
.... good works are necessary for Salvation"

These are not part of our beliefs.

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