Do you KNOW 100% you are saved?

Do you KNOW 100% you are saved?

  • Yes, I KNOW I'm saved

    Votes: 24 57.1%
  • I think I'm saved

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 6 14.3%

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RaymondG

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yes ... here .... He was standing right in front of them (in the physical)

we know we have a spiritual relationship with the Lord ... but He is not here in the physical ..... yet ;o)
Lets say I could introduce you to Him, right now, in the flesh. Would you believe it was Him? Or would you dismiss him because of the way He looked or the fact that He didnt come the way you believe He should?

After you get your answer, re-read post 53.....
 
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Lets say I could introduce you to Him, right now, in the flesh. Would you believe it was Him? Or would you dismiss him because of the way He looked or the fact that He didnt come the way you believe He should?

After you get your answer, re-read post 53.....

well ... that can't happen ... when He returns the 1st resurrection happens ... the saved dead will be resurrected and the saved living will be translated ... so there isn't going to be any question.

Exodus 3:20

But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

so .. no one can see God and live ... unless they have been resurrected or translated first.
 
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well ... that can't happen ... when He returns the 1st resurrection happens ... the saved dead will be resurrected and the saved living will be translated ... so there isn't going to be any question.

Exodus 3:20

But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

so .. no one can see God and live ... unless they have been resurrected or translated first.

Did you read post 53 again? Arent we saying now, exactly what was said back then...and for the same reasons? We know the scriptures and how He should come....and if anyone comes speaking anything contrary to that....they will be dismissed. Nothing knew under the sun.

"And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God"
 
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Absolutely we know we are of God and have eternal life, since you are either of God or of the wicked one, devil, you can not be of God one day and of the devil the next.
Christ has come and given us an understanding to know Him. That is why we believe, that we have been granted by God to come to Christ and believe. If we were not granted know, then we would be of the wicked one, and not of God.

1 John 5
18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

John is speaking of those born of God, so the new creation, the new spirit, that God has created that does not sin ever. the spirit is joined as one spirit with God.
But your body is dead because of sin. The spirit is life because of righteousness, that is you are justified by His blood. Read Romans 3
 
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Did you read post 53 again? Arent we saying now, exactly what was said back then...and for the same reasons? We know the scriptures and how He should come....and if anyone comes speaking anything contrary to that....they will be dismissed. Nothing knew under the sun.

"And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God"

We know the scriptures and how He should come..

We know how He will come.

Perhaps I missed the point you were making with Jonah.

and yes ... all have, are and will continue to be looking forward to His 2nd coming ... and it's going to be very very evident when it happens ... until then we dismiss any claims of anything different.

We will receive new fleshly and spiritual bodies when He returns.

1 Corinthians 15:36-50

You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. ...
 
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We know how He will come.

Perhaps I missed the point you were making with Jonah.

and yes ... all have, are and will continue to be looking forward to His 2nd coming ... and it's going to be very very evident when it happens ... until then we dismiss any claims of anything different.

We will receive new fleshly and spiritual bodies when He returns.

1 Corinthians 15:36-50

You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. ...
I find no fault in your interpretations.
 
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Romans 5, Christ dies for US. That is He died so that believers in Him would have eternal life.

6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.

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But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.


the reason you live is because of God's great love towards you, that is why he made you alive while you were dead in sin, and still following the DEVIL.

Ephesians 2 New King James Version (NKJV)

1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

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But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
 
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Why do people complicate this?

Jesus did not come and give us a series of riddles and hidden “gotchas” that only a few will figure out on their way to completing a salvation test. God is not trying to trick anyone. He wants all to be saved and made it as easy as possible. Believe!

If a non-believer came to this forum seeking advice on how to become saved they would probably leave confused because so many people on this forum add their own salvation caveats and pitfalls. Confusion that is sown is definitely not from God.

People on this forum are quick to point out why others are not saved but few will state specifically and conclusively why THEY are saved.

Jesus Christ is Lord. He rose from the dead. Because I believe he, and only he, took my place and was crucified for sin, my sins are forgiven. There’s nothing I did, nothing I am doing now, or nothing that I will ever do that makes me deserve this.

I know I’m saved because I know 100% that I don’t deserve to be saved, and 100% of my faith is in Jesus for salvation. My attempts at being obedient, my supposed love for others, and my love of God with all my heart and all my soul are all woefully inadequate to deserve eternal life in his presence. Only Christ makes it so.
 
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Why do people complicate this?
Jesus did not come and give us a series of riddles and hidden “gotchas” that only a few will figure out on their way to completing a salvation test. God is not trying to trick anyone. He wants all to be saved and made it as easy as possible.
They are called "PARABLES", and yes, Jesus said it was so those He was speaking to would not understand , would not see...... THEN JESUS EXPLAINED the parables to HIS DISCIPLES, but not to the crowds....

If a non-believer came to this forum seeking advice on how to become saved they would probably leave confused because so many people on this forum add their own salvation caveats and pitfalls. Confusion that is sown is definitely not from God.
Anyone who seeks God's Kingdom , and keeps seeking God's Kingdom, seeking God Himself, and His Help, will find Him, as God Himself Promises in His Word.
No one has been saved by any internet experience, in a decade or more , as far as I know. (I asked for years if anyone ever was, and the closest anyone came to being 'saved' from the internet experience was someone who said they saw all the fighting and confusion and dissension on a forum, and went elsewhere online to search for themselves concerning the false church, and they found the truth and were 'saved' from believing the lies that they had previously been thinking were okay.)
Jesus Christ is Lord. He rose from the dead. Because I believe he, and only he, took my place and was crucified for sin, my sins are forgiven. There’s nothing I did, nothing I am doing now, or nothing that I will ever do that makes me deserve this.
I was born and raised LCMS, and as far as I know we were always taught we had to repent of our sins, turning to God away from sin and asking for His Saving Power in Jesus...
My attempts at being obedient, my supposed love for others, and my love of God with all my heart and all my soul are all woefully inadequate to deserve eternal life in his presence.

Never-the-less, whoever someone obeys, whoever someone serves, that is their God.
We all obey either God the Father, or hasatan , the devil.
 
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Thanks for the beat-down, Jeff.

I happen to be LCMS as well.

If you’ve figured out the secret parables, see no need to be a witness online because no one has ever had a “saving experience” online, and in a state of obedience that makes you deserving of Christ’s sacrifice, more power to ya, friend.

How about sharing specific examples of your obedience?

I still don’t deserve it.
 
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“Because you have been given the chance to understand the secrets of the kingdom of Heaven,” replied Jesus, “but they have not. For when a man has something, more is given to him till he has plenty. But if he has nothing even his nothing will be taken away from him. This is why I speak to them in these parables; because they go through life with their eyes open, but see nothing, and with their ears open, but understand nothing of what they hear. They are the living fulfilment of Isaiah’s prophecy which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive; for the heart of this people has grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their heart and turn, so that I should heal them’.



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The Purpose of Jesus' Parables
…12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ 14In them

the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.…
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I feel sorry for those that do not think that they can be sure until the day they die.. or that it is some kind of journey.

How would you sleep at night....not being certain that if you died that you would be in paradise?

This is not the way Christianity is. If you have admitted that you are a sinner and put your faith in Christ as your savior..... you have no worries.


Salvation is like marriage... you know the day, time and place where you were married... The same with salvation.
 
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I feel sorry for those that do not think that they can be sure until the day they die.. or that it is some kind of journey.

I think some people prefer it this way. It seems more reassuring to some to look at their own accomplishments and obedience to be reassured rather than having faith in Christ alone.
 
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I think some people prefer it this way. It seems more reassuring to some to look at their own accomplishments and obedience to be reassured rather than having faith in Christ alone.
It is such a human habit and a Satanic corruption of the gospel, to add to a perfect gift, the need for human input and action toward their salvation, when it is a complete and free gift that we can do absolutely nothing to contribute toward it's accomplishment.
 
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The problem is that some are assuming from what was said that we will not know if we are finally saved until we die, which our final salvation will not come until our death. As St. Paul says " I have done my best in the race, I have run the full distance, and I have kept the faith" he never said as modern say that he knows but rather that he has kept the faith. We have to keep the faith, we don't lose our freedom when we convert to Christ we have to remain on the narrow path and not deviate which sometimes is not easy but with God's grace we can finish the race.

We are saved, we are being saved, we will be saved
 
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Why do people complicate this?

Jesus did not come and give us a series of riddles and hidden “gotchas” that only a few will figure out on their way to completing a salvation test. God is not trying to trick anyone. He wants all to be saved and made it as easy as possible. Believe!

If a non-believer came to this forum seeking advice on how to become saved they would probably leave confused because so many people on this forum add their own salvation caveats and pitfalls. Confusion that is sown is definitely not from God.

People on this forum are quick to point out why others are not saved but few will state specifically and conclusively why THEY are saved.

Jesus Christ is Lord. He rose from the dead. Because I believe he, and only he, took my place and was crucified for sin, my sins are forgiven. There’s nothing I did, nothing I am doing now, or nothing that I will ever do that makes me deserve this.

I know I’m saved because I know 100% that I don’t deserve to be saved, and 100% of my faith is in Jesus for salvation. My attempts at being obedient, my supposed love for others, and my love of God with all my heart and all my soul are all woefully inadequate to deserve eternal life in his presence. Only Christ makes it so.
Yea man I agree.
 
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Often we see people standing at a street corner obsessively pushing the button for the crosswalk, because, even though they have every reason to believe that the walk sign registered their input, there's really no feedback confirming their decision. So, until that final moment, when the walk sign illuminates at them, the're forever pushing that button, doubting needlessly that it registered their request.

You can accept Christ, and then wait and trust in the outcome, or you can spend a lifetime doubting. In the meantime, you may not receive the feedback that modern crosswalks give, confidently telling you every few seconds, "Wait." You may spend the rest of your life pushing that button, over and over.
 
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