How To Find The Truth About God?

Freodin · Aug 3, 2019

gospels said:
I see your point. But what you say cannot be applied to a spiritual context.

Convenient for you.
But, hey, seeing your point, of course I agree. You cannot see the truth, because you are lacking the atheistic wisdom.

I would pray that you are granted it... but no-God doesn't answer prayers, sorry. Tough luck... but don't worry: no-God will also not punish you for not having what he didn't give you.

Godistruth1 · Aug 3, 2019

gospels said:
So you don't think that there is light in the heavens above the sun.

Its talking about light on earth specifically when there was creation. It cannot mean some other light

Godistruth1 · Aug 3, 2019

gospels said:
Does it really not make sense to you that there is light in the heavens without the sun? You need to check again. You are mixing creation of heaven with earth. @Godistruth1

There is no link to the light in heavens here. It's only talking about light on earth and around

GospelS · Aug 3, 2019

Godistruth1 said:
Its talking about light on earth specifically when there was creation. It cannot mean some other light

Light on earth comes from sun. The light that God created before creating sun is the light in heaven.

GospelS · Aug 3, 2019

Godistruth1 said:
There is no link to the light in heavens here. It's only talking about light on earth and around

God created the sun for light on earth. The light that God created before creating the sun is about the light in the heaven.

GospelS · Aug 3, 2019

cvanwey said:
In case you were not already aware... I was a devout believer/follower for decades. It is only when I decided to instead read the Bible for myself, verses awaiting my weekly (sermon / book report) in church, and also in Bible study, is when I started to actually question.

I did so in earnest for a couple of years. And since then, I have found many passages which appear in conflict with human discovery. It would appear God was not guiding me accordingly, when I started to question.

Thus, your assertion that God 'leads in truth' is not applicable in my case.

Hence, no wonder I'm now a skeptic to such asserted claims...

What you have explained is most likely the result of not standing the test of faith. A devout believer/follower would stand the test of faith. God leads in truth but you will reach to see the truth only if you stood the test of faith.

cvanwey said:
If humans are flawed, how do you know you have even chosen the correct claimed God to follow? You are aware there exists many differing god(s), right? I would imagine you have not explored them ALL And even if you have, if you are flawed, how were you 'effectively' able to rule out all others?

My faith has been tested several times and i kept my faith through the test. Before the test of faith came in my life, I did not understand fully and questioned my faith but still i chose to believe because I'm a mere flawed human. After i passed the test of faith, i received the wisdom that gave me understanding of the truth.

cvanwey said:
You have basically stated that this is how God want's it, in church. And that's it! (i.e.) 'He decides how it should function'. You do not provide any reason(s).

You also state 'It still is normative for a church leadership structure.' Which further reinforces my prior posted observation that: 'it seems more likely whomever wrote such a passage was simply reinforcing the normative thoughts and behaviors of the era; without any true just cause to assert as such.'

So no, I certainly would not see how I misunderstood God's Word. But more importantly, you furnished no explanation as to how I might have actually misunderstood.

Church is God's place and He demands everyone's attention inside His church for it is meant to be a place to give our full attention to God. But a woman who is loud and exercising authority inside a church attracts attention to herself. It is a true just cause.

cvanwey said:
The above is an example of coercion or an ultimatum. God is stating humans are 'broken', and the only way to fix what is 'broken', is to believe an anecdotal story line. Well, I don't. So if what God states is true, God's "wisdom' is to tell me to believe in it anyways, or I will fry.

Because only God is in the position to save us, He alone knows How to save us and so He expects us to rely on Him. How is coercion or an ultimatum even a problem?.

cvanwey said:
Again, since you are a flawed human, you may be following the script of a false claimed god. How would you know, since you are flawed?

You see, I know how (I) evaluate such claims. I compare such claims with peer reviewed reality. And when such claims don't appear to align, I then doubt such claims. What is (your) method for discerning truth?

As flawed humans we all do the same, evaluate and compare. We must evaluate and compare but faith and fear of God are greater tools than all our methodologies because this is about spiritual things and all our methods could be a failure as God reveals Himself to those that have simple child like faith and fear. Faith and fear of God are the only effective methods that give wisdom to discern the truth about spiritual matters. My evaluations and comparisons did not help much but just gave me information. Having information is different from seeing the power of God working in my life. The moment we are losing our faith and fear of God we will be led astray from the truth.

Nihilist Virus · Aug 3, 2019

gospels said:
Redemption is to exchange my wrong and my punishment and rescue me. This nature and purpose of the law has been fulfilled by Messiah taking my wrong and my punishment upon Himself for this was the purpose of the law.

Jesus said:

“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person”

I wish you stood the test of faith so God would grant you the wisdom and understanding of the spiritual matters.

If you make a thread advertising that you have wisdom, then you should expect people to ask you questions. To then give answers that are not relevant to the question that was asked is not helpful to anyone. Thanks for trying though, I suppose.

cvanwey · Aug 4, 2019

gospels said:
What you have explained is most likely the result of not standing the test of faith. A devout believer/follower would stand the test of faith. God leads in truth but you will reach to see the truth only if you stood the test of faith.

Me discerning that a flood most likely did not happen, or that a story of Adam and Eve does not jive with biology, or that such claimed evidence for a resurrection appears lacking at best, or unanswered prayer for decades, all just for starters, is a test of my 'faith'?

gospels said:
My faith has been tested several times and i kept my faith through the test. Before the test of faith came in my life, I did not understand fully and questioned my faith but still i chose to believe because I'm a mere flawed human. After i passed the test of faith, i received the wisdom that gave me understanding of the truth.

This does not answer my question in the least.

Again, if you are a flawed human, how do you even know you have chosen the correct claimed God to follow?

gospels said:
Church is God's place and He demands everyone's attention inside His church for it is meant to be a place to give our full attention to God. But a woman who is loud and exercising authority inside a church attracts attention to herself. It is a true just cause.

What? What if a man also does such things? Have you not seen and/or heard of televangelists?

What if the woman in charge is not loud and attempt only to attract attention to herself, still no? Well, according to the cited verses, she is not allowed. I'm still awaiting a decent reason?

gospels said:
Because only God is in the position to save us, He alone knows How to save us and so He expects us to rely on Him. How is coercion or an ultimatum even a problem?.

Saved us from what? God can do whatever He wants. God's 'wisdom' states we must believe in a book filled with anecdotal tales. And if we don't, He will instead send us to a place of torture forever. I'm sorry if I do not find such assertions filled with 'wisdom.'

gospels said:
As flawed humans we all do the same, evaluate and compare. We must evaluate and compare but faith and fear of God are greater tools than all our methodologies because this is about spiritual things and all our methods could be a failure as God reveals Himself to those that have simple child like faith and fear. Faith and fear of God are the only effective methods that give wisdom to discern the truth about spiritual matters. My evaluations and comparisons did not help much but just gave me information. Having information is different from seeing the power of God working in my life. The moment we are losing our faith and fear of God we will be led astray from the truth.

This goes right back to my question... If you are flawed, how do you know you have chosen the correct asserted God to follow? Since you're a flawed human, how do you know you are not instead mistakenly fooling yourself?

You see, as stated prior, I discern if such claimed asserted gods at least coincide with human discovery. And if such claims do not, I discard them. Much like I've done for all other claimed asserted gods in which have been asserted towards me.

GospelS · Aug 4, 2019

cvanwey said:
Me discerning that a flood most likely did not happen, or that a story of Adam and Eve does not jive with biology, or that such claimed evidence for a resurrection appears lacking at best, or unanswered prayer for decades, all just for starters, is a test of my 'faith'?

It is. Indeed a test of faith. A devout believer/follower would choose to believe God over flawed human discoveries.

cvanwey said:
This does not answer my question in the least.

Again, if you are a flawed human, how do you even know you have chosen the correct claimed God to follow?

I know because I have seen and experienced the power of God working in my life after I stood the test of faith. His Word came alive in my life. My prayers have been answered. All this came after I stood the test of faith. My spirit can see and hear Him because He has opened the eyes and ears of my spirit since I have chosen to trust Him over myself. So I’ve got the evidence and assurance in my very eyes that I can no longer deny. Denying this truth that is clearly evident is not possible and would be a foolish mistake.

cvanwey said:
What? What if a man also does such things? Have you not seen and/or heard of televangelists?

What if the woman in charge is not loud and attempt only to attract attention to herself, still no? Well, according to the cited verses, she is not allowed. I'm still awaiting a decent reason?

Only God should have all the attention in His church. Church is for God and about Him. He is the center of focus if anyone wants to come worship and listen to Him. Women taking in charge over men attract attention to themselves even if they are not loud. God remains the focus when it’s men. This is a simple fact.

cvanwey said:
Saved us from what? God can do whatever He wants. God's 'wisdom' states we must believe in a book filled with anecdotal tales. And if we don't, He will instead send us to a place of torture forever. I'm sorry if I do not find such assertions filled with 'wisdom.'

Saved from the wrath of the Holy God for all our disobedience against Him. So He gave the book lest we might say we are unaware of Him.

cvanwey · Aug 4, 2019

gospels said:
It is. Indeed a test of faith. A devout believer/follower would choose to believe God over flawed human discoveries.

Again, if humans are flawed, then how does this work? Stay tuned below.

gospels said:
I know because I have seen and experienced the power of God working in my life after I stood the test of faith. His Word came alive in my life. My prayers have been answered. All this came after I stood the test of faith. My spirit can see and hear Him because He has opened the eyes and ears of my spirit since I have chosen to trust Him over myself. So I’ve got the evidence and assurance in my very eyes that I can no longer deny. Denying this truth that is clearly evident is not possible and would be a foolish mistake.

Many make the exact same assertions/convictions/conclusions about an opposing God. I trust their convictions are genuine. Just like I trust yours.

Moving forward, if their convictions in their opposing god(s) are as honest as yours, and humans are flawed in their assessments, I again ask...

Again, if you are a flawed human, how do you even know you have chosen the correct claimed God to follow?

gospels said:
Only God should have all the attention in His church. Church is for God and about Him. He is the center of focus if anyone wants to come worship and listen to Him. Women taking in charge over men attract attention to themselves even if they are not loud. God remains the focus when it’s men. This is a simple fact.

You have again avoided my question. Why is it okay for a man to lead in church, and not a woman? They are both fallible. What's the difference?

cvanwey · Aug 7, 2019

@gospels

Until you address this elementary observation below, your OP appears unfounded; and appears to also issue blank assertions:

1. Many claim to receive contact from opposing god(s). It's fair to conclude some of their claims in contact are genuine. Meaning, such claims in contact from this alternative god(s) feels perfectly real to these folks as well. Thus concluding, if we both agree humans are flawed in their assessments, how do we know which humans are completely self-deluding themselves, which ones are not at all, or maybe it's all whom claim to receive contact from a god(s) who are all self-deluded?

(Also, on a side note about your specific claimed god)...

2. The Bible states women are not to lead in church. If both women and men are fallible humans, why do men still receive permission to lead, while women can't? Are you saying a women is incapable of delivering a selfless message from God? If so, you would need to prove this assertion; and not instead just assert as such. Furthermore, the Bible does not even seem to suggest what you are saying...

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