When we are weak

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'This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses,for He faced all the same testings we do,yet He did not sin. So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There we will receive His mercy and we will find grace to help us when we need it most' (Hebrews 4:14-15)
 

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I am glad that the Bible reveals this because I would not have assumed Christ faced the same temptations as I.

That's true. Since we know He is perfect, also whilst living among men. It isn't easy to picture Him going through the same as we. But it does help knowing He has and understands everything we go through! :heartbeat:
 
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He faced the temptations but I've often wondered if it would have impacted Him the same as it does us. I believe He was vastly better equipped to handle them, in fact so as they were no temptation at all, His mind didn't have to entertain them to begin with. He truly was among us in this world but not part of this world. We are changed, He didn't have to be because He is the change !

I know a believer who thinks Jesus could not of lived here all through puberty and young manhood and not have had a sexual experience. I just smile and shake my head, His will is not like ours. Yes temptation was all around Him but He was about His Fathers business. He forgave the prostitute, He did not solicit her. He was without sin, sinless, this would mean that to fulfill the law, soliciting the prostitute did not even enter His mind for if it had He'd have been guilty of all the sins of the law ( 613 of them). Only God has that kind of will.

So was temptation there ? Yes. But was He tempted that it ever penetrated his mind ? I don't think so. You can not temp God.
 
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Yes, Jesus is God's own Son, and Jesus left Heaven itself in order to come here and share with us in all we go through. This shows how un-conceited Jesus is. And this manifests how God is in and through all things we go through. After all, by seeing Jesus, we see our Father.

But this is not only so we can feel good while we are weak in things. But we can become strong in Jesus, so then we can follow His example by using our own troubles to help us feel for others, and we can minister to others after we get the grace which makes us strong and successful in doing what is good.

Practically > when I get hit hard by things, it helps to stop and wait on God to make me the right way, then ask, "What do You want me to do?" And do what He has me doing in the ruling of His peace in my heart >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

So, suffering and staying weak and crying and begging for God to fix something is not what works. I need to stop and wait while He corrects me into obeying how He rules me in His peace. But have compassion for ones who are deeply suffering about their problems; but pray for them to get real correction, not only a fix.

Or else, they will still be in a fix, inside themselves, if they have not become strong in the Lord and creative. If are comforted and their problem has been fixed, but they stay weak, then they still can suffer again and again > they have gotten a fish but they have not learned how to fish.

So, our Apostle Paul tried to get Jesus to fix things, when Paul had that "thorn in the flesh" "thing" > 2 Corinthians 12:7-15. "Three times" he begged for Jesus to make that thorn "messenger of Satan" go away. So, I see that the thorn in the flesh was getting the better of Paul, but at first Paul was merely trying to get something fixed, without him really changing the way he needed and obeying how Jesus would have him dealing with it.

At first, I can see, he was trying to get things to obey him, instead of first seeking to obey Jesus.

But then Paul had a little talk with Jesus >

"And He said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.'" (2 Corinthians 12:9)

Then was when Paul got the message of that messenger of Satan's messing. He did not get the message from that thorn devil, indeed! But he heard from Jesus, and this is what worked. I see how Satanic stuff can be meant to get us to only seek for a fix, and seek to be comforted, but not to get real correction so we are obeying God in His grace.

But ones claim that God's grace is "God's favor", and they say God will favor us with His grace, by God fixing things and prospering us; but they do not tell us how God loves us by deeply correcting us like Hebrews 12:4-14 guarantees to every child of God. Plus, we might not be told how grace will strengthen us in how Jesus is, like our Apostle Paul commands > Ephesians 6:10.

But . . . to my knowledge, I have learned > God's grace favors Jesus, first of all > including favoring how we are changed into His image > Romans 8:29!!! And His grace is all-loving, not only favoring us by ourselves or favoring only ones closer to us. "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46) God's grace all-loving favors how we love any and all people as ourselves, using our troubles to bring us here.

In the Bible we see the example of how this worked for Joseph who was sold into slavery by his own brothers who so hated him because he was favored by his father Jacob.

We can feed on how Joseph with God used his horrible situation to save many people's lives, plus to reconcile him with those brothers who so betrayed him and let their own father suffer for years of feeling Joseph was dead > Genesis 37-50.

And as Paul got more into submitting to grace, he found out how grace is the action and effect of Heaven's own love in us > Romans 5:5 > while we are obeying God's grace in us, we enjoy the "pleasure" of Heaven's quality of rest > this is what I understand Paul means that he discovered, when he took "pleasure" in his troubles >

"Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong." (2 Corinthians 12:10)

And this "pleasure", then, is not only feeling good. But we take pleasure in Jesus. We do not only praise Him, in our troubles, but we take pleasure in Him, enjoying and appreciating our Groom Jesus. We delight in Jesus; we do not only try to use Him to make us feel better. We enjoy personally sharing with Jesus, while He has us loving any and all people during our troubles.

In this grace of His all-loving love, we share with our Creator in His own creativity for what to do to love any and all people . . . like Joseph did, and like Jesus on the cross was doing > not seeking a fix but being busy with loving any and all people and honoring and obeying our Father, instead of trying to get our circumstances to obey us. We don't try to control our circumstances, but test them for how God wants to use them with us to love any and all people >

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

And Jesus is our example >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

God's grace favors this, how in us we are changed to be strong in Jesus so we love like this > sweetly pleasing our Father while making our love sacrifices :) In His gentle and quiet love, we share with Him in His strength >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

Therefore, in our troubles, God is not silent; He is being quiet and gentle, and we can join with Him and share with Him, by being gentle and quiet in His love. And His love all-loving has us busy with caring about any and all others as ourselves. And the beauty of this "gentle and quiet spirit" of God's love is "incorruptible" > therefore almighty in power against fears and anxiety and worry and hurry and boredom and loneliness which can invade us while we are in worldly quietness.

We can fear being quiet, if we are weak enough so boredom and loneliness can violate us. We need the quiet rest of Jesus who is almighty against cruel emotions and feelings. And God's love protects us from lusts > dominating and dictatorial drives for pleasure and excitement. Then is when we can rest sweetly and delight in Him and take "pleasure" in loving any and all people . . . like how Jesus on the cross so suffered and died with hope for any evil person, at all > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).
 
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Feeling weak...but I must be getting better,
Lord heal me please, my husband fell in the garden and I wasn't there to help him. :oops:
 
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Feeling weak...but I must be getting better,
Lord heal me please, my husband fell in the garden and I wasn't there to help him. :oops:
Prayers for your husband that he is feeling better after his fall in the garden. And prayers for you that you will recover and feel much stronger soon.
Asking the Lord this evening to bless you both and keep you safe in His arms.
 
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A lovely prayer from someone at Church,

Lord, in all I do today
Remind me that there’s just one way
To do the things that I do best
To put my mind and heart to rest
And that’s to put in Your great hands
My life that You alone have planned
 
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A lovely prayer from someone at Church,

Lord, in all I do today
Remind me that there’s just one way
To do the things that I do best
To put my mind and heart to rest
And that’s to put in Your great hands
My life that You alone have planned
Beautiful prayer for today!
 
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One of my main weaknesses this year is that having worked a lot of night shifts, my routine has been varied and, very often my prayer life has been disrupted.

I felt God speak to me yesterday about perseverance. Despite all of the distractions in our lives, it's so important to keep pressing on with our faith, to continue in prayer and to have fellowship with others - like we are doing here on these forums.

Often I struggle to start my prayers, not knowing where to begin, and I use the Daily Office which I find helps provide template to use and follow, pausing to reflect and add my own prayers as I feel appropriate. I get a lot of inspiration from the daily readings and scriptures.

There have been many situations where I have found myself seeking the Lord and I have felt it helpful to pray in tongues. This really has helped strengthen my faith and my prayer life.

Whatever our circumstances, the Lord encourages us not to be dismayed, but to be strong and courageous. He has promised to be with us wherever we go (Joshua 1:9).
 
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Thank you so much, my disruption has been dealing with pain and sleeping, but it is so much better,
I must try and get back to normal, I am sleeping so much during the day. The prayer is good.
Psalms 32:8
My books are great, Corrie ten Boom, an old favourite (friend) at the moment.
I love the Celtic Daily Prayer, I have both books now.
 
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Both Celtic Daily Prayer books are really good. I was chatting with some friends recently and we're planning to go to a community in Oxfordshire that uses the Northumbria Daily Office (which are in the books). Hopefully sometime this autumn. It'll be a great time of fellowship, relaxation and walking - it's set in beautiful countryside. I love the books and also use the morning, evening and night prayers in CofE's Common Worship which I have with my Bible.

I'm so pleased you are getting relief from the pain that has been troubling you and hoping that you are now sleeping much better. Continuing to remember you in prayer.
 
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There is power in the Name of Jesus! There is authority also in that Name and the Blood of Jesus. Thank God we can rise up and find strength through abiding in Him and He in us!
that is so good, yes, I am sure that is why this I am recovering so well...having said that, I am ready for a sleep...o_O:rolleyes:;)
 
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