MMORPGs with No Magic?

Coleton Bryce Ritmanich said:

I just believe that opening a door for satan to come in, video game or not, is a really bad idea.

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I will never understand Christians.
OB

Not really any MMOs that I can think of that are not offensive. It's why I stick to RPGs. At least they are somewhat better. Like Fallout for example has no magic.

Occams Barber said:

I will never understand Christians.
OB

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Just be glad to not be living in a theocracy under the yoke of this sort of Fundamentalism. Even as a Christian, I've never particularly understood how super easy it apparently is for Christians to summon multitudes of demons with ease simply by clicking the start button on a computer game.

Occams Barber said:

I will never understand Christians.
OB

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For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18

Occams Barber said:

I will never understand Christians.
OB

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This is not surprising. Much of what we as Christians consider opposite to our faith, non-Christians think is foolish. As for magic in video games, all magic is abominable to God. That is stated many times in both the Old and New Testament. Although using magic virtually may seem innocent since it's not "real," role-playing someone who uses the forces of nature or calls on demonic powers for abilities displays an inner desire to be that being. Jesus made it very clear that even the thought of sin is sinful.
This has only recently been made clear to me by the Spirit since I've been a player of World of Warcraft since it started in 2004. I began to question during Legion. The emphasis on demonology really started bothering me. I stopped playing. But I recently started up again and it just hasn't felt right with me. I now know why.

In Matthew 5:27-28 during the Sermon on the Mount He said: "You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "

The intention or even the desire to commit sin is a sin.

This is why the Bible says that there is none righteous, no, not one.
If you read the words of Jesus in the 4 gospels you will see that, as the living embodiment of God in the flesh, He demands perfection. Holiness. This is impossible for man to achieve. None can truly obey all the commandments of God if even his thoughts betray him. That is why, God , Himself, became man. To be the perfect man to obey all the commandments and to be the sacrificial Lamb for all mankind.

To the nonbeliever this may seem savage. Killing a poor, helpless creature like a lamb to atone for sins seems barbaric. And it is. But the Bible says that the wages of sin is death. That is the price God set for man's forgiveness. Blood must be shed for sin to be forgiven. In the Jewish atonement ritual, the blood of the lamb was then sprinkled on the Ark of the Covenant by the High Priest. This was symbol of God no longer seeing the sin. But that only covered the sin for a while. The blood sacrifice ritual had to be performed every year.

The Bible tells us that man is a slave to sin. His very nature is sinful. In order for him to be set free, he must be bought back from that slavery, or redeemed.
But in order for man to be redeemed, God required a perfect sacrifice, a sinless human being. But there was no perfect human so God, Himself, entered this world as a human, lived like one of us and died so that we could obtain that forgiveness by believing and loving Him.
But that is not all that is required. Repentance, the turning away and rejection of sin must accompany that belief. And that requires repudiating all that does not glorify God.

But this is personal to each believer. We are not held to a list of dos and don'ts apart from the ten commandments we've all known about. Each believer has to learn from his own life and spiritual growth what is good for him or not good for him. But some things are very plain as they are clearly condemned in Scripture. One of these is engaging in occult practices..of any kind. Astrology, tarot, numerology, Ouija boards, etc. Or pretending to be a magic user fighting pixelized demons.
And I have engaged in all those practices at one time or another in my life so I am certainly not setting myself up as some paragon of virtue or preaching from a position of self-righteousness.

Make no mistake. That price of being a disciple of Christ Jesus is not cheap. It is not simply a matter of going to the altar at an evangelical service, saying a prayer and then walking away back to the same life. Without repentance, there is no conversion.

Christians are told to be lights in the darkness. We are set apart to be ambassadors of God in a world covered by darkness. In order to do that, we must live as righteous a life as is possible with the help and guidance of God's Holy Spirit.

That doesn't mean we are righteous and holy from anything that is our own doing. It's because the blood of Jesus that covers our sins from God's eyes that God grants us grace and righteousness.

What the "world" does not understand and can't understand is that being a disciple of Jesus Christ isn't a religion. It's a transformation. That transformation happens when you sincerely repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and accept His salvation. At that moment the Holy Spirit will transform you from within and begin the process of molding you into the person God wants you to be.

You are in this forum for a reason. I don't sense animosity from you. I think you're searching. Jesus said: "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

Christianity is not a spectator sport. You have to join the team to even understand the game. You will never understand Christians until you know the Lord and Master we serve. He's calling you. Will you answer?

Branes51 said:

This is not surprising. Much of what we as Christians consider opposite to our faith, non-Christians think is foolish. As for magic in video games, all magic is abominable to God. That is stated many times in both the Old and New Testament. Although using magic virtually may seem innocent since it's not "real," role-playing someone who uses the forces of nature or calls on demonic powers for abilities displays an inner desire to be that being. Jesus made it very clear that even the thought of sin is sinful.
This has only recently been made clear to me by the Spirit since I've been a player of World of Warcraft since it started in 2004. I began to question during Legion. The emphasis on demonology really started bothering me. I stopped playing. But I recently started up again and it just hasn't felt right with me. I now know why.

In Matthew 5:27-28 during the Sermon on the Mount He said: "You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "

The intention or even the desire to commit sin is a sin.

This is why the Bible says that there is none righteous, no, not one.
If you read the words of Jesus in the 4 gospels you will see that, as the living embodiment of God in the flesh, He demands perfection. Holiness. This is impossible for man to achieve. None can truly obey all the commandments of God if even his thoughts betray him. That is why, God , Himself, became man. To be the perfect man to obey all the commandments and to be the sacrificial Lamb for all mankind.

To the nonbeliever this may seem savage. Killing a poor, helpless creature like a lamb to atone for sins seems barbaric. And it is. But the Bible says that the wages of sin is death. That is the price God set for man's forgiveness. Blood must be shed for sin to be forgiven. In the Jewish atonement ritual, the blood of the lamb was then sprinkled on the Ark of the Covenant by the High Priest. This was symbol of God no longer seeing the sin. But that only covered the sin for a while. The blood sacrifice ritual had to be performed every year.

The Bible tells us that man is a slave to sin. His very nature is sinful. In order for him to be set free, he must be bought back from that slavery, or redeemed.
But in order for man to be redeemed, God required a perfect sacrifice, a sinless human being. But there was no perfect human so God, Himself, entered this world as a human, lived like one of us and died so that we could obtain that forgiveness by believing and loving Him.
But that is not all that is required. Repentance, the turning away and rejection of sin must accompany that belief. And that requires repudiating all that does not glorify God.

But this is personal to each believer. We are not held to a list of dos and don'ts apart from the ten commandments we've all known about. Each believer has to learn from his own life and spiritual growth what is good for him or not good for him. But some things are very plain as they are clearly condemned in Scripture. One of these is engaging in occult practices..of any kind. Astrology, tarot, numerology, Ouija boards, etc. Or pretending to be a magic user fighting pixelized demons.
And I have engaged in all those practices at one time or another in my life so I am certainly not setting myself up as some paragon of virtue or preaching from a position of self-righteousness.

Make no mistake. That price of being a disciple of Christ Jesus is not cheap. It is not simply a matter of going to the altar at an evangelical service, saying a prayer and then walking away back to the same life. Without repentance, there is no conversion.

Christians are told to be lights in the darkness. We are set apart to be ambassadors of God in a world covered by darkness. In order to do that, we must live as righteous a life as is possible with the help and guidance of God's Holy Spirit.

That doesn't mean we are righteous and holy from anything that is our own doing. It's because the blood of Jesus that covers our sins from God's eyes that God grants us grace and righteousness.

What the "world" does not understand and can't understand is that being a disciple of Jesus Christ isn't a religion. It's a transformation. That transformation happens when you sincerely repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and accept His salvation. At that moment the Holy Spirit will transform you from within and begin the process of molding you into the person God wants you to be.

You are in this forum for a reason. I don't sense animosity from you. I think you're searching. Jesus said: "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

Christianity is not a spectator sport. You have to join the team to even understand the game. You will never understand Christians until you know the Lord and Master we serve. He's calling you. Will you answer?

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May I give you a useful tip?

One of the absolutely worst ways to set about converting a non-believer is to deliver a long, rambling sermon, full of Christian jargon. Christians often don't realise that it isn't what they say which impresses - it's how they act. From my observations there are a significant number of Christians whose behaviour is less than Christian.

I am certainly searching but my search relates to understanding religion/Christianity/Christians. I'm not a potential convert.

OB

I have recently started playing a mobile mmo called "state of survival". There is no magic in it. While it is a zombie game, and I usually shy away from those things due to the evil the gamemaker tries to portray, I notice in this one: zombies here don't feel or look evil, doesn't feel demonic, isn't gory, they are referred to as infected and are only being killed so u survive. Characters are humanized. It's not sexualized. I actually have the feeling the gamemaker is Christian.

A PC game I play is eve online (it has a mobile version coming out in august2020). This has no magic. It's a spaceship game. However it does have one pirate race "eom"t if u accept those missions u will be fighting ships named demon. And another enemy pirate race "blood raiders" a background story that they are from occult background. But if you're careful you don't have to mess with these ships and just fight normal ships. There is a lot of cutthroat pvp in this game,scamming and cheating is allowed in this game as long as no real world assets are involved. There is a completely docile part of this game like mining, manufacturing and trading. Exploring space . Shooting random pirates in mining belts. Etc. Just do your research b4 u play.

Calypso is a game that is sci-fi, no magic, but the downfall is that it's gambling based. Everything in the game. Even ammo cost real world money.

Another PC game with no magic is "no man's sky" mainly just planet exploration and survival while trying to get to the center of the universe. There are occasional mild horror elements that do bother me, so I personally don't play it anymore

PS. A game that upfront seems harmless is uncharted water online. A sea-faring pirate game based on world history. It's not harmless. At one point in the game, it forces u into a tarot card reading and u can't continue without it and the only way to stop it is to turn off ur computer.

Coleton Bryce Ritmanich said:

I personally don't believe I myself should be playing games that have magic in them, and i'm looking for some good JRPG-Style MMOs or Just Any fun MMORPG without magic.

Not trying to say you shouldn't play such games, only that I am looking for a fun game to play with my friend.

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Well, if you don't consider the "force" of star wars magic, there's Star Wars TOR. Theres also Star Trek online, but there is stuff like Telepathy in Star Trek.

If you consider them MMORPGs, there is Eve online and Elite Dangerous. In both, you are playing a starship pilot and can become a trader, miner, hunt pirates, join guilds and so on. Eve online is harder on the RPG side, while you get more flying sim with Elite.

There's gloria victis, which is a medieval realistic MMORPG. You might still get some people acting like the do magic, though. Not that familiar with it.

And of course there are more cooperative games. For example you could look into Warframe. It has technology that is so advanced that it LOOKS like magic, but it isn't.

Jonaitis said:

Whatever happened to gamebooks? Are they still a thing?

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Less in physical form, but there are a lot of games like that for smartphones.

Branes51 said:

This is not surprising. Much of what we as Christians consider opposite to our faith, non-Christians think is foolish. As for magic in video games, all magic is abominable to God. That is stated many times in both the Old and New Testament. Although using magic virtually may seem innocent since it's not "real," role-playing someone who uses the forces of nature or calls on demonic powers for abilities displays an inner desire to be that being. Jesus made it very clear that even the thought of sin is sinful.
This has only recently been made clear to me by the Spirit since I've been a player of World of Warcraft since it started in 2004. I began to question during Legion. The emphasis on demonology really started bothering me. I stopped playing. But I recently started up again and it just hasn't felt right with me. I now know why.

In Matthew 5:27-28 during the Sermon on the Mount He said: "You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "

The intention or even the desire to commit sin is a sin.

This is why the Bible says that there is none righteous, no, not one.
If you read the words of Jesus in the 4 gospels you will see that, as the living embodiment of God in the flesh, He demands perfection. Holiness. This is impossible for man to achieve. None can truly obey all the commandments of God if even his thoughts betray him. That is why, God , Himself, became man. To be the perfect man to obey all the commandments and to be the sacrificial Lamb for all mankind.

To the nonbeliever this may seem savage. Killing a poor, helpless creature like a lamb to atone for sins seems barbaric. And it is. But the Bible says that the wages of sin is death. That is the price God set for man's forgiveness. Blood must be shed for sin to be forgiven. In the Jewish atonement ritual, the blood of the lamb was then sprinkled on the Ark of the Covenant by the High Priest. This was symbol of God no longer seeing the sin. But that only covered the sin for a while. The blood sacrifice ritual had to be performed every year.

The Bible tells us that man is a slave to sin. His very nature is sinful. In order for him to be set free, he must be bought back from that slavery, or redeemed.
But in order for man to be redeemed, God required a perfect sacrifice, a sinless human being. But there was no perfect human so God, Himself, entered this world as a human, lived like one of us and died so that we could obtain that forgiveness by believing and loving Him.
But that is not all that is required. Repentance, the turning away and rejection of sin must accompany that belief. And that requires repudiating all that does not glorify God.

But this is personal to each believer. We are not held to a list of dos and don'ts apart from the ten commandments we've all known about. Each believer has to learn from his own life and spiritual growth what is good for him or not good for him. But some things are very plain as they are clearly condemned in Scripture. One of these is engaging in occult practices..of any kind. Astrology, tarot, numerology, Ouija boards, etc. Or pretending to be a magic user fighting pixelized demons.
And I have engaged in all those practices at one time or another in my life so I am certainly not setting myself up as some paragon of virtue or preaching from a position of self-righteousness.

Make no mistake. That price of being a disciple of Christ Jesus is not cheap. It is not simply a matter of going to the altar at an evangelical service, saying a prayer and then walking away back to the same life. Without repentance, there is no conversion.

Christians are told to be lights in the darkness. We are set apart to be ambassadors of God in a world covered by darkness. In order to do that, we must live as righteous a life as is possible with the help and guidance of God's Holy Spirit.

That doesn't mean we are righteous and holy from anything that is our own doing. It's because the blood of Jesus that covers our sins from God's eyes that God grants us grace and righteousness.

What the "world" does not understand and can't understand is that being a disciple of Jesus Christ isn't a religion. It's a transformation. That transformation happens when you sincerely repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and accept His salvation. At that moment the Holy Spirit will transform you from within and begin the process of moulding you into the person God wants you to be.

You are in this forum for a reason. I don't sense animosity from you. I think you're searching. Jesus said: "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

Christianity is not a spectator sport. You have to join the team to even understand the game. You will never understand Christians until you know the Lord and Master we serve. He's calling you. Will you answer?

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Thank you for this.

I'm currently having a discussion with a 17 yr old who wants to play Fire Emblem types of games which reminds me of dungeons and dragons. Then a younger one who wants to play Mario Odyssey. Fire Emblem involves magic while Mario has a ghost/Mario possessing animals, people and objects.

Years ago I stopped playing Legend of Zelda: Majoras Mask and it was partly down to some verses in the OT I'd read but could not locate but after reading your post I recalled it was Deut 18:9. I'd applied the verse deut 18:9 in the context of God not wanting us to imitate the practices of the nations He was about to drive out. So if I was role playing a healer with potions or putting on a mask to become whatever possessed the mask, essentially I was imitating an act that God dislikes. The older one agreed about not playing Twilight Princess due to - in her words - "how dark it felt".

The 17 yr old can see what I'm getting at. The younger son doesn't.

For the Christian gamers here what or how would you convey to a child about the consequences of such games?

Coleton Bryce Ritmanich said:

I personally don't believe I myself should be playing games that have magic in them, and i'm looking for some good JRPG-Style MMOs or Just Any fun MMORPG without magic.

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None of the MMOs have magic. They have effects that they have named magical.

Guess you could pick a sci-fi MMORPG where the same effects are named nano machine swarm or some such.

You could just play any fantasy MMO and just role play as your character being undercover sci-fi hero infiltrator using nano machine swarms.

There is zero difference of course apart from the name.

Coleton Bryce Ritmanich said:

He doesn't deserve to have his title capitalized.

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Funny. You capitalized He. Right according to capitalize rules of course and indeed satan should not be capitalized.

Capitalization | Punctuation Rules

• Religions and names of deities
  Note: Capitalize the Bible (but biblical). Do not capitalize heaven, hell, the devil, satanic.

Although if you have people like satanist they could probably capitalize satan since he is their “deity”

Looking through the article it seems the right capitalization is as much an art as set of rigid rules.