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Why are Mormons editing their manuals?

1997:
All good things come from God. Everything that He does is to help His children become like Him—a god. He has said, “Behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39)…


2009:
All good things come from God. Everything that He does is to help His children become like Him. He has said, “Behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39)…

"Christianese" at work!
 
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Yes, and since I have both manuals, I can compare them:

1997, p. 11:
Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ (see D&C 93:21), so he is literally our elder brother (see Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 26). Because we are the spiritual spirit children of our heavenly parents God, we have inherited the potential to develop their divine qualities. If we choose to do so Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become perfect, just as they are like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy…

2009, p. 9:
Every person who was ever born on earth is our spirit brother or sister. Because we are the spirit children of God, we have inherited the potential to develop His divine qualities. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy…
 
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Yes, and since I have both manuals, I can compare them:

1997, p. 11:
Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ (see D&C 93:21), so he is literally our elder brother (see Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 26). Because we are the spiritual spirit children of our heavenly parents God, we have inherited the potential to develop their divine qualities. If we choose to do so Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become perfect, just as they are like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy…

2009, p. 9:
Every person who was ever born on earth is our spirit brother or sister. Because we are the spirit children of God, we have inherited the potential to develop His divine qualities. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy…
It is not okay for a church to edit their own manuals?
 
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Joseph Smith jr. used to do readings as a seer to find buried treasure .... like divination. He was convicted at least twice for these activities.

Nope.

Mormon/LDS Answers: Questions about LDS Prophets and the Mormons

Once people who weren't looking to debunk the church got their hands on the relevant documents, analysis after analysis determined that the 1826 "trial" was actually a pretrial hearing and that it most likely ended with the charges being dismissed.

I'm being serious when I ask whether or not you've examined any of these arguments for yourself or are simply taking them at face value, as these are all items that have already been dealt with.
 
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Of course you attack the Christian Apologist

Welcome to the fun and lovely world of higher academia, where even things that seem minor to outsiders can end someone's career.

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Respected by who? From what I've seen, no one outside the Christian counter-cult takes him seriously anymore.
 
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Why are Mormons editing their manuals
Why was answered by Jesus concerning false teachers as I'm sure you know:
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Mt 24:24​

The sheep's wool of the wolf is getting thicker … thus also the deception of the deceived and the deceivers.
 
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Why was answered by Jesus concerning false teachers as I'm sure you know:
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Mt 24:24​

The sheep's wool of the wolf is getting thicker … thus also the deception of the deceived and the deceivers.
The deceiver is anyone who states that a person does NOT need to keep the commandments:

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 13:1 - 5)

1 IF there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

We are to serve God the Father and keep the commandments.
 
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The edit you posted says the same thing, just more condensed.

How stupid do you think we are? It's pretty obvious what has removed---any Christian objection. Not that you don't teach the same thing--it is just not in print so you can say---it's not written--it's not doctrine!
 
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How stupid do you think we are? It's pretty obvious what has removed---any Christian objection. Not that you don't teach the same thing--it is just not in print so you can say---it's not written--it's not doctrine!
The references were removed, but the content is the same.
 
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The references were removed, but the content is the same.

More than that was removed.

1997, p. 11:
Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ (see D&C 93:21), so he is literally our elder brother (see Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 26). Because we are the spiritual spirit children of our heavenly parents God, we have inherited the potential to develop their divine qualities. If we choose to do so Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become perfect, just as they are like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy…

2009, p. 9:
Every person who was ever born on earth is our spirit brother or sister. Because we are the spirit children of God, we have inherited the potential to develop His divine qualities. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy…
 
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More than that was removed.
Those are Biblical:
(New Testament | Colossians 1:14 - 15)

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

(New Testament | John 17:23)

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
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The deceiver is anyone who states that a person does NOT need to keep the commandments:

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 13:1 - 5)

1 IF there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

We are to serve God the Father and keep the commandments.
Please, Hear what we are saying or you only will deceive yourself. Keeping GOD's Commands refers to Exodus 20:3 The First Commandment: No idolatry
"Thou Shalt have no other gods before Me!"

Do not miss the LORD GOD's Instruction by selectively "editing" the BIBLE again, as it omits the ACTUAL message of Deuteronomy 13:2 which succinctly states this:
1. If Any prophet or dreamer , even if he produces signs
2. If a prophet says "lets follow after other gods"
3. Do Not Listen to that prophet.
4. The LORD your GOD is using this prophet to test your love, whether you love GOD with all your heart and with all your soul.
5.You are to fear GOD & Keep His Commands - KEEP the First Commandment - THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME.
6. The prophet has advocated rebellion against the LORD your GOD...the punishment for idolatry & advocating rebellion -->shall be put to DEATH.
7. So you SHALL PURGE the EVIL Among you.

Deut 13:3-5 that.... "ANY prophet ,even if he produces a sign or wonder, and says, "Let us go after other gods --you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer.

For the LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love Him with all your heart and with all your soul

4 You are to follow the LORD your God and fear Him.
Keep His commandments and listen to His voice; serve Him and hold Him fast.

5 SUCH A PROPHET or DREAMER MUST BE PUT TO DEATH,
because he Has ADVOCATED REBELLION against the LORD your God,
who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, in order to turn you from the way the LORD your God has commanded you to walk.

So you MUST PURGE the EVIL from Amongst you."
 
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The deceiver is anyone who states that a person does NOT need to keep the commandments:

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 13:1 - 5)

1 IF there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

We are to serve God the Father and keep the commandments.
According to the Bible a deceiver is a false prophet, or a false teacher or any person who purposely misrepresents God's message leading others astray.
Keeping God's Commands refers to Exodus 20:3 - "Thou Shalt Have No Other gods Before Me."
 
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Yes, and since I have both manuals, I can compare them:

1997, p. 11:
Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ (see D&C 93:21), so he is literally our elder brother (see Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 26). Because we are the spiritual spirit children of our heavenly parents God, we have inherited the potential to develop their divine qualities. If we choose to do so Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become perfect, just as they are like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy…

2009, p. 9:
Every person who was ever born on earth is our spirit brother or sister. Because we are the spirit children of God, we have inherited the potential to develop His divine qualities. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy…
2 TIM 4:3
" 3 For THE TIME WILL COME when Men Will Not Tolerate SOUND DOCTRINE, but With Itching Ears They Will Gather Around Themselves TEACHERS To SUIT THEIR OWN DESIRES.
4 So They Will Turn Away Their Ears From THE TRUTH and
TURN ASIDE TO MYTHS. "
 
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There are not conflicts , there are those in rebellion who misunderstand & misrepresent for two reasons:
1. they are not born again by the Holy Spirit
2. because it contradicts their narrative & shows them in error.

As a believer we are taught through scripture to test by SCRIPTURE. The Bible instructs to test what is spoken or taught by the Bible scripture, if a teaching is shown to be in contradiction with the Bible then that teaching is error or it is following the Doctrine of the Anti-Christ.
This is what we see when we compare Mormon teachings with scriptures. What is obvious is the false claim that the Word of God is corrupt, that false claim by Smith is completely Satanic.
The enemies of the LORD GOD attack His word, just as their father the devil did in the Garden of Eden. "Hath God said?....."
Joseph smith was an adulterer, and a false prophet & fraud. There was a death penalty for being a false prophet & leading people astray.
Deut 13 It says any prophet or dreamer of dreams who gives the people a sign and it comes true then says "Let us go after other gods and let us serve them--he shall be put to death because he has counselled rebellion against the LORD your God....So you shall purge the evil from among you. " The Bible states to love the LORD GOD with all our heart, soul and spirit and keep His commands. Those who truly love the LORD , Love His Word, and keep His commands.
Deuteronomy 13: " 1“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods whom you have not known and let us serve them,’ 3you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4“You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. 5“But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the LORD your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk.
So you shall purge the evil from among you."

Galatians 1:8 Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a divine curse!
9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you embraced, let him be under a curse!…"
Again, a tirade against JS.

If you have the knowledge and the Holy Spirit to be with you, tell me how we solve the seeming conflict between these 4 scriptures in the bible.
Exodus 33:20 and John 1:18 These 2 scriptures say "no man has seen God at any time".

Genesis 18-1-8 and Genesis 32:24-30 says that "men have see God and lived".

Please explain to me how you explain this seeming conflict. I know how to explain it, but do you?
 
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Why are Mormons editing their manuals?

1997:
All good things come from God. Everything that He does is to help His children become like Him—a god. He has said, “Behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39)…


2009:
All good things come from God. Everything that He does is to help His children become like Him. He has said, “Behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39)…
Even within the church there are those that cannot abide the meat of the gospel, and have to have it softened so they can receive it.
 
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Again, a tirade against JS.
Stop with your personal attacks.
It is God Himself who condemns the False Prophets for seeking after other gods & preaching Another Gospel
Deceivers MO is always to attack God's Word--which is what the false prophet ,sorcerer, divinator Joseph Smith Jr. taught. Joseph Smith Jr. was Not a Prophet of GOD, but showed himself to be a false prophet who spoke rebellion against the LORD GOD, saying "lets seek after other gods..."
The Son of God, the Lord JESUS CHRIST, Our SAVIOR , Lord Jesus is the Messiah, and the KING of KINGS.
The Bible declares that it alone is God-breathed, the Bible is the complete authoritative written Word of God and it ended with Apostle John's prophetic vision written in the Book of Revelation WHICH was GIVEN John by the Lord JESUS CHRIST. Revelation 1: "1 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ."…
The Book of Revelation comes with a warning at the end for anyone who tampers with the Biblical text:
Revelation 22:18-19 contains a warning to anyone who tampers with the biblical text of Revelation: “For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book. And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.”
 
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Those are Biblical:
(New Testament | Colossians 1:14 - 15)

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

(New Testament | John 17:23)

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

I said they were removed--if they are biblical, why remove them?
 
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