Ronald Reagan revealed as racist

Danielwright2311 said:

I know you don't care about her, she was a real racist, Reagan was not a real racist. I'm so sorry to be so course about it, forgive me.

i am just trying to make you see what racist relay is.

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You can stop trying to convince me of what a "racist really is" - I think your argument is silly. The fact that there exists racists worse than Reagan doesn't negate the racist nature of his comments.

What about the others he is talking to? they where real racists.

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Whether or not Nixon was a bigger racist (he may very well have been) is beside the point. Your characterization of Reagan's contribution of the conversation is still wrong. He didn't just sheepishly agree to something Nixon said; Reagan was the one driving those comments.

iluvatar5150 said:

racist nature of his comments.

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I agree with that, yes, his comment where racist, but this does not make him a racist, and this is my point here.

iluvatar5150 said:

Reagan was the one driving those comments.

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And this is your interpretation.

If you lived back then, you would understand it, but something tells me your Young? Or mabey you lived in a non racist community?

If you lived back then like i did, i grew up with it, every day.

A racist does not help what there racist against, and back then, if he was publicly racist, it would have been supported.

No one would have cared, No one did care, the black people hated the white people, and the white people where racist.

And i was in the middle of it all wishing i was not.

So he made comments that where racist, this does not make him a racist.

You do not know what your talking about, sorry, you don't.

Danielwright2311 said:

And this is your interpretation.

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K, now you're gaslighting me. Got it.

You do not know what your talking about, sorry, you don't.

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You posted a bunch of stuff that was blatantly false.

Deborah D said:

LOL, the full title (which is rarely used) of Darwin's first book reveals his belief that some "races" are "favored" or superior to others.

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Provide a quote where, in the book, he does that. Unless you mean talking about races of cabbages, for example, is racist.

Mountainmanbob said:

Nope just the truth and I do not see that racist word that is in the title of this thread.

Of course some just throw that out there like it's nothing don't they?
M-Bob

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While you levied barbs of all kinds against Obama for nothings, you are correct, you didn't call him a racist...because he didn't act like a racist.

Were there any news stories about Obama that you couldn't put on Christian Forums, because his direct quote was in violation of decency rules at Christian Forums? There are at least 2 related to Trump that I can think of off the top of my head.

Kentonio said:

Is his grandmother being held up as a shining example of political leadership?

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Of course not.

whatbogsends said:

While you levied barbs of all kinds against Obama




for nothings, you are correct, you didn't call him a racist...because he didn't act like a racist.

Were there any news stories about Obama that you couldn't put on Christian Forums, because his direct quote was in violation of decency rules at Christian Forums? There are at least 2 related to Trump that I can think of off the top of my head.

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True, Obama was one of our worst presidents.
Ain't rocket science.
Look at his sad record.
M-Bob

iluvatar5150 said:

But given the near-sainthood that's been bestowed upon Reagan by the republican party, I don't think it's wholly inappropriate to point out examples that counter that narrative.

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I assumed you are responding to posters here, not the republican party.

As for Regan, I get the sense from this thread that due to one private conversation in 1971 with President Nixon, he will be viewed and written off as simply a racist. Maybe I'm misreading some comments here.

They sure got some high standards here.
Which even they have not lived up to.

A lot of perfect ones.
That have never talked bad
regarding their fellow man.

Knowing that I fall pretty short
I'm going outside to smoke a cigar
and flog myself.

M-Bob

wing2000 said:

I assumed you are responding to posters here, not the republican party.

As for Regan, I get the sense from this thread that due to one private conversation in 1971 with President Nixon, he will be viewed and written off as simply a racist. Maybe I'm misreading some comments here.

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I think it's fair to question whether or not this one instance (alone or in context with others) is sufficient to label him a "virulent racist." I don't really know enough about his history to weigh in on that one way or another.

But I also think it's fair to talk about this instance and use it to undermine the vaulted position to which Reagan has been elevated. It's not merely "trampling on the grave" of a dead person. It's tearing down an idol that the Republican party has constructed for itself and reinforcing the narrative that racial bias has been a bigger, more explicit, and more pervasive force in our politics than some want to acknowledge.

Mountainmanbob said:

They sure got some high standards here.
Which even they have not lived up to.

A lot of perfect ones.
That have never talked bad
regarding their fellow man.

Knowing that I fall pretty short
I'm going outside to smoke a cigar
and flog myself.

M-Bob

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It's funny how easy it is for you to be critical and downright nasty against your political opponents, but when it's someone on your side being criticized, you suddenly start getting all "plank in your eye". It's almost as if you have a blatant double standard.

iluvatar5150 said:

I think it's fair to question whether or not this one instance (alone or in context with others) is sufficient to label him a "virulent racist." I don't really know enough about his history to weigh in on that one way or another.

But I also think it's fair to talk about this instance and use it to undermine the vaulted position to which Reagan has been elevated. It's not merely "trampling on the grave" of a dead person. It's tearing down an idol that the Republican party has constructed for itself and reinforcing the narrative that racial bias has been a bigger, more explicit, and more pervasive force in our politics than some want to acknowledge.

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Fair enough. His remarks to Nixon certainly adds another angle to the Ronald Reagan biography. In hind sight, I think Reagan did play on certain minority stereotypes with regards to welfare and other issues.

As for today's GOP's -- I suspect Reagan would be horrified by what has happened to conservatism.

wing2000 said:

Fair enough. His remarks to Nixon certain adds another angle to the Ronald Reagan biography. In hind sight, I think Reagan did play on certain minority stereotypes with regards to welfare and other issues.

As for today's GOP's -- I suspect Reagan would be horrified by what has happened to conservatism.

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And be branded a RINO in short order.

whatbogsends said:

It's almost as if you have a blatant double standard.

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As you know that is the point which I was also trying to make.

Sometimes we are on the same page
but, just in a different book.

Have a blessed day,
M-Bob

Sparagmos said:

Occams razor? Unless there is evidence they are fake, we have no reason to suspect that.

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The simplest position for me is to start with a default agnostic position rather than belief, on any issue.

Kentonio said:

What the...?

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I forgot I have to be cognizant of Poe's Law - especially in the context of the thread.

I was being completely facetious, even critical of an ideaology, by making that statement.

ananda said:

The simplest position for me is to start with a default agnostic position rather than belief, on any issue.

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Sure. But you can’t dismiss info that isn’t being refuted even by Reagan’s family. You can’t say you don’t know that an audio tape has been released by the national archives.