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Thank you...you have sum up All the Law in One command...
Paul the son of a Pharisee, born from the tribe of Benjamin; circumcised on the 8th day, a true Pharisee! Paul the son of a Pharisee claimed to be under the LAW of Christ. Yes indeed. Did Paul the son of a Pharisee ever claim to anyone in his letters that he was "under grace"? I wonder why? Although he told the gentiles that they were not under the LAW but under grace.
 
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Good question! Did Paul the son of a Pharisee ever claim that he himself was under grace?
Yes.
Paul claimed to be under the LAW of Christ to those without the law;
Correct.
nevertheless he became as one under the LAW!
The text says under the law to win the Jews.
Paul the son of a Pharisee "freely" preached the gospel without charge, so that he may share in it's blessings. We know the priest who worships at the altar "share" those "clean" things that have been offered. Those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple (1 Corinthians 9:13) . YHWH has commanded those who preach the gospel receive their living from the gospel.
Your point is?
 
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Where did Paul write that he himself was under grace?
Here is one where Peter exclaims that he is saved through grace.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.

The group referred to by the word 'they' are the gentiles.

Here is a verse where Paul includes himself as being justified by grace.

Titus 3:7
So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
 
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Paul the son of a Pharisee, born from the tribe of Benjamin; circumcised on the 8th day, a true Pharisee! Paul the son of a Pharisee claimed to be under the LAW of Christ. Yes indeed. Did Paul the son of a Pharisee ever claim to anyone in his letters that he was "under grace"? I wonder why? Although he told the gentiles that they were not under the LAW but under grace.
Hello, Grace is referring to the Spirit (Father & Son)..2Corinthians 3:8
The Holy Spirit that now teach us so we can know the Father and Son, because we cannot believe in Him unless we know Him and knowing the Father and Son is Eternal life...John 17:3
So we are under this Ministry " Ministry of the Spirit" 2Corinthians 3:8...This comes under the law of Christ... Because it is from Christ that we received the Holy Spirit... John 16:7...
So the Holy Spirit is the one ministry under the the Law of Christ or the Law of the Spirit....
 
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Here is one where Peter exclaims that he is saved through grace.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.

The group referred to by the word 'they' are the gentiles.

Here is a verse where Paul includes himself as being justified by grace.

Titus 3:7
So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
I asked you did Paul ever claim that he himself was UNDER GRACE? (Post #478) you answered "Yes" (Post #483). Then I ask you where did Paul write in his letters that he himself was UNDER GRACE? (Post #485) you post a verse that Peter says "we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus". You post another verse that says "we are justified by his grace". Do you not see how you misread and do not answer my questions?
 
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Hello, Grace is referring to the Spirit (Father & Son)..2Corinthians 3:8
The Holy Spirit that now teach us so we can know the Father and Son, because we cannot believe in Him unless we know Him and knowing the Father and Son is Eternal life...John 17:3
So we are under this Ministry " Ministry of the Spirit" 2Corinthians 3:8...This comes under the law of Christ... Because it is from Christ that we received the Holy Spirit... John 16:7...
So the Holy Spirit is the one ministry under the the Law of Christ or the Law of the Spirit....
That is not what I asked you. I asked you did Paul the son of a Pharisee "explicitly" claim to anyone in his letters that he himself was UNDER GRACE? Explicit means that Paul actually wrote in his epistles that he himself was UNDER GRACE. Paul did claim that he himself was UNDER THE LAW of Christ to those without the LAW; nevertheless he became as one UNDER THE LAW!
 
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Paul was not under the Law. He made that quite clear. The new covenant is a covenant of Grace. Jesus ratified the new covenant with His blood at Calvary. Jeremiah wrote that Israel would have a new covenant. If Jesus didn't usher in the new one then how about explaining when it will happen. Every living soul is under the new covenant. Most of the World's inhabitants don't recognize this fact because they have not met Jesus yet. It seems like even some Christians don't understand the covenants.
 
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Paul was not under the Law. He made that quite clear. The new covenant is a covenant of Grace. Jesus ratified the new covenant with His blood at Calvary. Jeremiah wrote that Israel would have a new covenant. If Jesus didn't usher in the new one then how about explaining when it will happen. Every living soul is under the new covenant. Most of the World's inhabitants don't recognize this fact because they have not met Jesus yet. It seems like even some Christians don't understand the covenants.
Paul was UNDER THE LAW of Christ to those without LAW; he became as one UNDER THE LAW.
 
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I asked you did Paul ever claim that he himself was UNDER GRACE? (Post #478) you answered "Yes" (Post #483). Then I ask you where did Paul write in his letters that he himself was UNDER GRACE? (Post #485) you post a verse that Peter says "we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus". You post another verse that says "we are justified by his grace". Do you not see how you misread and do not answer my questions?
I'm not sure if we are on the same page here.

You asked about Paul being under grace?

Romans 5:2
Through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Clearly verses such as the one above clearly depict the apostle Paul being under grace.

For some reason you protest that I have misread your previous post, this is why I am puzzled by your reply.
 
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Paul was UNDER THE LAW of Christ to those without LAW; he became as one UNDER THE LAW.
You have misread the quotation below.

1 Corinthians 9:19-21
To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.

Paul is claiming to be under the law of Christ and not the law of Moses. Paul states 'though not being myself under the Law'

 
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I'm not sure if we are on the same page here.

You asked about Paul being under grace?

Romans 5:2
Through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Clearly verses such as the one above clearly depict the apostle Paul being under grace.

For some reason you protest that I have misread your previous post, this is why I am puzzled by your reply.
Where did Paul write in his letters that he himself was UNDER GRACE? Two words UNDER GRACE; Paul says the gentiles are not under the law but UNDER GRACE! PAUL IS NOT A GENTILE. Paul says that he became under the law to those Jews with the law; he also says that he was UNDER THE LAW of Christ to those without the law!
 
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You have misread the quotation below.

1 Corinthians 9:19-21
To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.

Paul is claiming to be under the law of Christ and not the law of Moses. Paul states 'though not being myself under the Law'
Where did Paul the son of a Pharisee write that he was not under the law of Moses?
 
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Where did Paul the son of a Pharisee write that he was not under the law of Moses?
1 Corinthians 9:19-21
To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law...
 
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Where did Paul write in his letters that he himself was UNDER GRACE? Two words UNDER GRACE; Paul says the gentiles are not under the law but UNDER GRACE! PAUL IS NOT A GENTILE. Paul says that he became under the law to those Jews with the law; he also says that he was UNDER THE LAW of Christ to those without the law!
By grace, in grace, through grace, e.t.c., is the same as under grace.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith... not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

'no one may boast' means both the Jew and the Gentile.
 
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The holy Scripture do not agree with you. Acts 21:20-24
You are a messianic which is a factional denomination, your the one creating divisions and factions within the church.

Galatians 5:20
Idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions...

You claim that the scripture does not agree with me when the scripture clearly states, that Paul was not under the law.

1 Corinthians 9:19-21
To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law...
 
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You are a messianic which is a factional denomination, your the one creating divisions and factions within the church.

Galatians 5:20
Idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions...

You claim that the scripture does not agree with me when the scripture clearly states, that Paul was not under the law.

1 Corinthians 9:19-21
To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law...
Paul says he became as one UNDER THE LAW.
 
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