Some random discussion on evolution...

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exactly like a living creature.
You ignoring the rest of my post does not make your ridiculous assertion correct. There is a well documented process and list of ingredients which do not naturally exist in the same place required to make plastic. Please show how that is exactly like a living creature. Failure to do so will demonstrate to everyone that you have nothing.
 
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because we do find such complex system in reality. not a car but something no less complex.

Then why do you need to resort to your imaginary replicating cars if there are real world examples?
 
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I don't know. Know one does at this point, but it is relatively certain that if life did arise by a natural process with or without design, it wasn't by the same process as evolution.
so you cant detect design in a plastic too if you dont know.
 
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There is a well documented process and list of ingredients which do not naturally exist in the same place required to make plastic. Please show how that is exactly like a living creature. Failure to do so will demonstrate to everyone that you have nothing.

there is no natural place on earth that we can see how DNA evolve naturally. and its also true for functional proteins.
 
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Then if it makes no difference, why don't you use the real world examples?
It doesn't work with real world examples. All the real world examples were killed off in The Great Robot Penguin revolt of '62. Self-reproducing Automotive Development is all he has left.
 
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Yes, along with equivocation and false equivalence fallacy.

You can read all about these fallacies on Wikipedia. I recommend studying them and then learning how to construct an argument that isn't based on these fallacies. Then you'll be able to come up with better arguments.

Circular reasoning - Wikipedia
Equivocation - Wikipedia
False equivalence - Wikipedia
so you cant detect design in this image since its circular reasoning?:

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(image from amazon)
 
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so you cant detect design in this image since its circular reasoning?:

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(image from amazon)
Can't be sure without actually examining the object, but it looks like a manufactured
object rather than a naturally occurring one so just from the picture it's a pretty good bet.
 
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so you cant detect design in this image since its circular reasoning?:

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(image from amazon)
I'm not a fan of the argument you are plugging here. It has some merit, but I blow hot and cold on it.
 
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so you cant detect design in this image since its circular reasoning?:

This isn't about how I would detect design. This is about your attempts to argue for design.

Because quite frankly, you haven't given any indication you know how design is actually detected. Consequently any time you try to argue for it (in the case of living organisms) you end up invoking various logical fallacies.

You need to work on coming up with arguments that aren't full of logical fallacies. I suggest taking a break from trying to argue (and people have been telling you this for years now) and try to learn instead. Come back when you're better prepared for these discussions and debates. Repeating the same poor arguments for the past two years has gotten you nowhere.
 
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so you cant detect design in this image since its circular reasoning?:

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(image from amazon)

Design is suggested by the great symmetry of the object, the perfect circle, the fact that parts have been inscribed with the names of companies that exist separately to this object, and the fact that the object contains no parts which are capable of reproduction, hence no way for it to have been made except by some external means (unlike life forms, which are capable of reproducing themselves).

Of course, I wouldn't take that as 100% proof, since there could be some alternative explanation, even though I can't think of one. But since I am not so arrogant to believe that if I can't think of it, it can't exist, I will remain open to any alternative suggestions. But all evidence available to me indicates artificial design.
 
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Design is suggested by the great symmetry of the object, the perfect circle, the fact that parts have been inscribed with the names of companies that exist separately to this object, and the fact that the object contains no parts which are capable of reproduction, hence no way for it to have been made except by some external means (unlike life forms, which are capable of reproducing themselves).

Or the simple fact we know it's a computer fan and based on preexisting knowledge of human manufacture of such objects, we can conclude it is a designed object.

Because let's face it, that's what we are really doing here: pattern recognition of an object of known origin. That's how we detect design in almost all cases.
 
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Or the simple fact we know it's a computer fan and based on preexisting knowledge of human manufacture of such objects, we can conclude it is a designed object.

Because let's face it, that's what we are really doing here: pattern recognition of an object of known origin. That's how we detect design in almost all cases.

I was being generous and going from the assumption that it was something I had never encountered before, but yeah...
 
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