How To Find The Truth About God?

Godistruth1 · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
Yet it is not explained how he created the universe. But rather says to refer to the book and the people who received wisdom of the scriptures by the Holy Spirit, of the Torah and the Gospel.

God in bible says that He brought forth wisdom and thus by wisdom He created the universe. I only provided you one verse but in through out bible God provided the evidence for His wisdom, in every page. Not so with other books.

@Godistruth1

What you are saying about God bringing forth wisdom does in no way prove bible to be true. It's just a passage just like other passages. For u this may be a very good verse for someone else could be some other. The process which bible tells about creation of earth does not make sense to me like light being there before sun etc

GospelS · Jul 31, 2019

Godistruth1 said:
The process which bible tells about creation of earth does not make sense to me like light being there before sun etc

So you don't think that there is light in the heavens above the sun.

GospelS · Jul 31, 2019

Godistruth1 said:
The process which bible tells about creation of earth does not make sense to me like light being there before sun etc

Does it really not make sense to you that there is light in the heavens without the sun? You need to check again. You are mixing creation of heaven with earth. @Godistruth1

Tinker Grey · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
Let me know which divine claims to say that he has brought forth, set-up and possessed wisdom before the beginning of the earth and all creation. This means to say that he is the owner of wisdom, who caused/created wisdom, and is the God of wisdom.

Why should I accept such a claim?

GospelS · Jul 31, 2019

Tinker Grey said:
Why should I accept such a claim?

What do you need to discern the truth? It is wisdom. You need the help of wisdom. That is why i ask to find and follow the divine who claims to be the God of wisdom.

Tinker Grey · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
That is why i ask to find and follow the divine who claims to be the God of wisdom.

Why?

All I need to discern truth is the ability to compare a statement with the reality I can evaluate.

GospelS · Jul 31, 2019

Tinker Grey said:
Why?

All I need to discern truth is the ability to compare a statement with the reality I can evaluate.

Well, you cannot see God in all his reality and no one has that ability. So you cannot evaluate accurately and discern truth unless you take the help of God's wisdom.

Tinker Grey · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
Well, you cannot see God in all his reality and no one has that ability.

Of course not; one cannot see what doesn't exist.

So you cannot evaluate accurately and discern truth unless you take the help of God's wisdom.

What's the evidence for your claim?

Nihilist Virus · Jul 31, 2019

Lost4words said:
From an atheist. Lol

You seem to have a hard time processing things logically. Or do you just not care if you commit logical fallacies?

Nihilist Virus · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
I did not miss the point. I'm aware of all this. Both testaments, new and old, are not separates. People use these terms. It is one whole book and one whole truth. Throughout old testament people received the promise of Messiah and awaited for the His coming. But when Messiah did arrive, people denied that He indeed has arrived.

While Jews are still awaiting for their Messiah to come and receive Him, we have accepted and received the truth that the promise of Messiah has been fulfilled. If Jews are debunking Christianity then they are only debunking the old testament and deceiving themselves, while they are hoping and waiting for the realization of the promise of Christ who is spoken of in the old testament.

Interesting. They aren't separate. Ok... so do you follow Mosaic law?

GospelS · Jul 31, 2019

Tinker Grey said:
one cannot see what doesn't exist.

He does exist and it is you who cannot see.

Tinker Grey said:
What's the evidence for your claim?

The evidence is that we are finite beings.

GospelS · Jul 31, 2019

Nihilist Virus said:
Interesting. They aren't separate. Ok... so do you follow Mosaic law?

Yes, i do. Some of the laws are meant for a time until the coming of the Messiah. Jews try to follow all of it because they don't believe that the Messiah has already come.

Tinker Grey · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
He does exist and it is you who cannot see.

Empty claim.

The evidence is that we are finite beings.

Why does being finite preclude me from evaluating the truth of the statement "there is a rock in my yard"?

GospelS · Jul 31, 2019

Tinker Grey said:
Empty claim.

It will be an empty claim for you until you take the help of God's wisdom.

Tinker Grey said:
Why does being finite preclude me from evaluating the truth of the statement "there is a rock in my yard"?

Yet, you won't discern the mighty hands that made the rock and also your yard.

Tinker Grey · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
It will be an empty claim for you until you take the help of God's wisdom.

Sounds like "when you believe, then you'll believe." This is not an enlightening response.

Yet, you won't discern the mighty hands that made the rock and also your yard.

Why should I think that "mighty hands" made the rock? We know how igneous rocks and sedimentary rocks are formed.

GospelS · Jul 31, 2019

Tinker Grey said:
This is not an enlightening response.

It's won't be until you believe in God's wisdom.

Tinker Grey said:
Why should I think that "mighty hands" made the rock? We know how igneous rocks and sedimentary rocks are formed.

You don't have to "think", follow God's wisdom and you will "know" for yourself. You know how these rocks are formed yet you do not know the one who is working on it and causing it at the core level.

All this goes back to my earlier point: We are finite beings and we need the help of God's wisdom to discern that which is infinite.

Tinker Grey · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
yet you do not know the one who is working on it and causing it at the core level.

Why should anyone think that's true?

All you've managed to do in this thread is make assertions. Got anything else?

GospelS · Jul 31, 2019

Tinker Grey said:
Why should anyone think that's true?

Thinking and knowing are different things. You THINK because you are depending on your finite nature, I KNOW because i'm following the God of wisdom.

This is about discerning the truth about an infinite being. Only God can show Himself to you, be known and found, IF you take and follow His wisdom. So, I'm inviting others to follow the God of wisdom so that they can also KNOW for themselves.

Tinker Grey said:
All you've managed to do in this thread is make assertions.

All i can do for now in this thread is to give my suggestion that will surely help others in finding the truth IF ONLY anyone takes it and applies it.

Tinker Grey said:
Got anything else?

Yes, i've got many things. But that will be of no use to discuss unless you take my first advise and apply it. When that is achieved, then only i can manage to do more. Because this requires you follow the God of wisdom which you are refusing to do.

Nihilist Virus · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
Yes, i do. Some of the laws are meant for a time until the coming of the Messiah. Jews try to follow all of it because they don't believe that the Messiah has already come.

Why would the laws stop being good because of the arrival of the messiah? Are you referring only to the laws regarding ritual sacrifice? If so, do you believe that homosexuals, Sabbath laborers, and those who dine on shrimp should be put to death?

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 31, 2019

gospels said:
Well, you cannot see God in all his reality and no one has that ability. So you cannot evaluate accurately and discern truth unless you take the help of God's wisdom.

As written in Scripture, God's Perfect Word:

those of the world, lost, unregenerate (the natural man, flesh)

CANNOT evaluate anything spiritual. There is no way for them to ......

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