the Apostle Paul kept the Torah!

annier said:

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Israel was not redeemed from slavery in Egypt? Come on.
The covenant of circumcision ALWAYS BROUGHT THEM BACK TO THE PROMISED INHERITANCE. This is speaking of their worldly, earthly promises. I know scripture says that the glory of the new covenant, makes the lesser glory of the old SEEM as no Glory in comparison. But, the redemption of Israel from Egypt was by the covenant made with their fathers. So too is the Passover, and feast of unlevened bread a service to that covenant. It was a SHADOW. That covenant is about GOD'S FAITHFULNESS, not theirs. There is no salvation and redemption by the law. It is by God's faithfulness.

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This is not the redeption of our souls that matters to us. Redemption is not laked about as being delivered from Egypt for us who were never on the contentient nor are Jews. The historic evidence is an allogory for us in meaning about our salvation. Actual Egypt is not actual sin. Egypt has an allagoric meaning in Christianity denoting sin and not a place. You can not call them both the same thing. We are not talking about historic matters here. Well may be you are limiting them to such. Then we are not on the same page. Maybe we will never be on the same page either.

bugkiller

annier said:

What do you mean by that?
I like it much better too. That is the more glorious redemption my post mentioned. Which is why I do not understand your comment above.

The covenant made with Abraham in the flesh, gave the Israelites the land of caanan.

Read exodus. It is a shadow of the inheritance we all have in Christ.

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Never mind, Uncle!!!!!

bugkiller

annier said:

Exactly, that is why they are not keeping a passover feast, but a SEDER.

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More precisely a Passover Seder. It is purely commemorative and tutorial. Nothing wrong with that.

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Exactly, that is why they are not keeping a passover feast, but a SEDER
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Steve Petersen said:

More precisely a Passover Seder.
It is purely commemorative and tutorial. Nothing wrong with that.

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So how important within Christianity is it to understand that?





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The Torah prohibits sacrificing anywhere but the place God chose in
Jerusalem. Not Temple, no sacrifice PER THE TORAH.
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Originally Posted by annier

What do you mean by that?
I like it much better too. That is the more glorious redemption my post mentioned. Which is why I do not understand your comment above.

The covenant made with Abraham in the flesh, gave the Israelites the land of caanan.

Read exodus. It is a shadow of the inheritance we all have in Christ.
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AMEN!



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bugkiller said:

This is not the redeption of our souls that matters to us. Redemption is not laked about as being delivered from Egypt for us who were never on the contentient nor are Jews. The historic evidence is an allogory for us in meaning about our salvation. Actual Egypt is not actual sin. Egypt has an allagoric meaning in Christianity denoting sin and not a place. You can not call them both the same thing. We are not talking about historic matters here. Well may be you are limiting them to such. Then we are not on the same page. Maybe we will never be on the same page either.

bugkiller

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Actually, Egypt denotes slavery and bondage.
The Hebrews came under bondage for their continual sinning and according to the LORD here, they will get sent back there for the same reason.

Hosea 8:13
For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it,
But the LORD does not accept them.
Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins.
They shall return to Egypt.

Exodus 6:5
“And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel whom the Egyptians keep in bondage, and I have remembered My covenant.
Deuteronomy 26:6
‘But the Egyptians mistreated us, afflicted us, and laid hard bondage on us.
Micah 6:4
For I brought you up from the land of Egypt,
I redeemed you from the house of bondage;
And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

According to Jesus, these religious rulers were doing the same thing to the common Jews

Matthew 23:4
"For they are binding burdens, weighty/barea <926> and ill-bearing.
And they are on-placing upon the shoulders of the men, to the yet finger of them, not are willing to move them".

Acts 20:29
"For I have-perceived this.
That shall be entering after the departure of Me, wolves, weighty/bareiV <926>, into ye, no sparing of-the shepherded/flock/poimniou <4168>" ;

Act 15:10
“Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,[fn]
and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Amber Bird said:

Why wouldn't Paul keep the Torah? Wasn't he a Pharisee before he began acting as a disciple of Jesus?
And how would it be wrong if Paul did keep the Torah? Wasn't Jesus sent to further the old testament doctrines with a new covenant built atop that?

What say you netzarim?

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Paul had to keep Torah as he also had to work with the rulers of Jerusalem while he was "Saul".
Acts 7:
56 and said, "Look! I see the heavens having been opened<διηνοιγμένους<455> and the Son of the Man standing out of rights of the God!"
58 They dragged him out of the city and began to stone him.
Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.

Saul...was a type/anti-type to Saul vs David in OT

Acts 8:
1 And Saul was there consenting to his killing.
And on that day a great persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria.

1 Samuel 19:10
Then Saul sought to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he slipped away from Saul's presence; and he drove the spear into the wall. So David fled and escaped that night.

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3 But Saul was destroying the church. Entering houses after houses and dragging off men and women, he was delivering them to prison.
Acts 9:
1 Meanwhile, Saul still breathing out threats and murder toward the disciples of the Lord, having gone to the high priest,
2 requested letters from him to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any being of the WAY, both men and women, having bound them, he might bring them to Jerusalem.

LittleLambofJesus said:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7675856-2/#post61081031

Paul keeping the Torah was brought up in the thread quoted above by a member.
Can anyone here prove Paul didn't keep the Torah?

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At one time Paul had Timothy circumcised for fear of the Jews, but later he did not circumcise Titus.

Paul preached in the synagogues on the Sabbath, because that is when the Jews were there to hear it, but he also preached on the first day of the week to believers.
In Colossians 2:16-17 Paul says that no man is to be judged in Sabbath keeping, which was a shadow of Christ.

The Book of Galatians was written to address the problem of the Judaisers, which are still with us today.

In Galatians 3:16-29 Paul reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.
Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul compares the Sinai Covenant to "bondage", and compels the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".

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Gottservant said:

This is sillly: whoever dies in the Lord, keeps Torah.It's when you keep Torah and you can't live with what that means, that there is a problem.

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Sounds like the Pharisees were right all along.

tzadik said:

--and as far as Peter's vision is concerned, I will be all ears, if you can find me ANY reference where Peter eats anything unclean.

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The "Arise, kill and eat" thing was just a trick, didn't signify at all, right?

Last time I checked, Peter TWICE told fellow believers what God taught him from the vision. (Both times he said nothing about eating pork chops)

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Pete knew that God was just kidding about the whole "kill and eat" thing.

tzadik said:

Still waiting for that verse that tells us that Peter ate unclean foods.

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Ain't none. There are verses where God tell St. Peter to kill and eat "unclean" critters, though, aren't there?

I already know that the vision was in reference to people.

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He was supposed to kill and eat people? Yuck!