Trump is delivering for African Americans -- Dems should help him with Baltimore

civilwarbuff · Jul 30, 2019

carlv_52 said:
Nope. Like I said...those jobs started disappearing even before Obama was outta college.

Oh yeah, and regulations on coal have been being put in place for decades. So if Obama had a "war on coal" then pretty much every other President has too since the 1970's when they started regulating for various pollutants and acid rain.

Hey, I didn't write the article.....

civilwarbuff · Jul 30, 2019

carlv_52 said:
PhD in coal geochemistry.

So, that is a 'nodding acquaintance'?......forgive my skepticism.......

carlv_52 · Jul 30, 2019

Speedwell said:
In the long term we will need it as a petrochemical feedstock. What we are doing with it now is like sitting around a fire burning lumber to keep warm instead of building houses with it.

Coal still has value in niche areas for things like coking for steel. Not so very sure it has a huge market for chemical feedstock (coal tar, perhaps). But a lot of plastics and other organic chemicals are probably more easily derived from petroleum. But your point is still accurate for oil as well. I once read an economist that said it was a shame we were wasting petroleum on transportation fuel.

cow451 · Jul 30, 2019

Desk trauma said:
Nor will it if they do not find something other than mining. Coal is on the way out no matter who is in office.

Good luck with that.

cow451 · Jul 30, 2019

carlv_52 said:
PhD in coal geochemistry.

So it’s Dr. carlv_52?

cow451 · Jul 30, 2019

civilwarbuff said:
So, that is a 'nodding acquaintance'?......forgive my skepticism.......

Desk trauma · Jul 30, 2019

cow451 said:
Good luck with that.

cow451 · Jul 30, 2019

A poster observes this thread becomes increasingly diverse..... a veritable melting pot of ideas.

Sparagmos · Jul 30, 2019

Zanting said:
The POTUS is right...Baltimore is a mess, LA is a mess, San Francisco is a mess and more. It is a crisis that is being ignored in democratic states and it isn't getting any better. There indeed is a huge number among the black community who are very very pleased with what the POTUS is doing for them.

It's just so very unfortunate that MSM doesn't report on the hard work the POTUS is doing for this community and other minorities in your nation.

Yeah, all of those liberal cities are a mess! Unlike those awesome conservative cities! Wait, are there any conservative cities?

Gene2memE · Jul 30, 2019

While black unemployment is at a historic lows (yay, good thing!), black wages are not keeping up with wage increases in the rest of the country (booo, bad thing!).

Depending on the data set you use, African-American hourly wages in the US grew between 2.4% and 3.5% over 2017 and 2018. That's compared to median US hourly wage growth of somewhere between 4.8% to 6.3% over the same two year period.

What worrying is a couple of things:

African-American wage growth has been below the rate of inflation for the last two years (averaging around 1.8% to 2.1% per annum). So, the majority of working African-Americans have seen their relative incomes decrease in the past few years when accounting for inflation.

The vast majority of African-American wage growth has occurred for individuals with a college degree or better (representing less that 12% of the workforce). Individuals without a high school diploma saw their average wages fall over 2017 and 2018 and individuals with a high school diploma have basically been in a wage freeze for the last few years.

African-American average working hours have dropped, but only very mildly, over the last two years. On average, working hours have dropped from about 34.5 to 34.3 hours per week for full time employees. That's a drop of about ~10 hours per year, or a loss of about ~$235 per year at median wages.

Zanting · Jul 31, 2019

carlv_52 said:
Except Trump thinks it is up to Lewis now. Previously it was Obama. So in Trump's eyes apparently the nearest black man is the one who has to fix the problem.

He who made the mess should be held accountable for it and clean it up...gee...how novel.

Zanting · Jul 31, 2019

Sparagmos said:
Yeah, all of those liberal cities are a mess! Unlike those awesome conservative cities! Wait, are there any conservative cities?

Perhaps you would like to present some cities you know compare to Baltimore, or LA or San Francisco that are and have been conservative long enough to hold accountable their mayor or other city leaders for how bad they "mismanaged" or outright stole funds provided to deal with the homeless.

KCfromNC · Jul 31, 2019

Acts2:38 said:
Well, obama made sure Kentucky was thoroughly destitute. Your article states:

"The list paints a stark picture of many areas in Kentucky that have suffered as the coal industry has declined.

For example, in Martin County, the number of coal jobs fell by 63 percent between 2011 and 2015 and one of the consequences has been an overall county population decline of nearly 6 percent in the last five years."

Seems like a mess that happened with the last president and they havent recovered yet.

Sounds like Moscow Mitch should go back to where he came from and fix the problems there.

KCfromNC · Jul 31, 2019

Acts2:38 said:
Obama slashed the coal industry.

Citation needed.

TLK Valentine · Jul 31, 2019

Acts2:38 said:
Obama slashed the coal industry.

Obsolescence slashed the coal industry.

TLK Valentine · Jul 31, 2019

civilwarbuff said:
Not just Kentucky. Out west in Wyoming and Montana open pit coal mines are shutting down because there is little to no market in the US. Much of the sales they do make are overseas to places like China that don't worry about 'global warming'.....that's our concern not theirs.......But what the hey, it's just a few coal miners out of work....doesn't affect me, right? I mean they still got God and their guns, right?

And their natural gas... Which many industries have switched from coal...

civilwarbuff · Jul 31, 2019

KCfromNC said:
Citation needed.

Post #32

civilwarbuff · Jul 31, 2019

KCfromNC said:
Sounds like Moscow Mitch should go back to where he came from and fix the problems there.

Or better yet Bernie can go; he likes to party with the Communist Party......Footage of shirtless Bernie Sanders drunkenly singing with Soviets in ‘88 surfaces
M. Mendoza Ferrer on Twitter

iluvatar5150 · Jul 31, 2019

Sparagmos said:
Yeah, all of those liberal cities are a mess! Unlike those awesome conservative cities! Wait, are there any conservative cities?

Zanting said:
Perhaps you would like to present some cities you know compare to Baltimore, or LA or San Francisco that are and have been conservative long enough to hold accountable their mayor or other city leaders for how bad they "mismanaged" or outright stole funds provided to deal with the homeless.

There aren't any large conservative cities. In fact, there's a pretty high correlation between population density and left-right voting patterns.

carlv_52 · Jul 31, 2019

Zanting said:
He who made the mess should be held accountable for it and clean it up...gee...how novel.

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