WHY IS THERE SO MANY WARNINGS FROM GOD'S WORD ABOUT LOSING SALVATION IF IT IS NOT POSSIBLE??
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Well that is not true. There is only wisdom in God's Word.He doesn't need to give a reason.Our brother is probably using wisdom granted from the Lord.
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I was giving you another perspective on the Letters you were talking about in an earlier post. I hope I did not read it wrong.
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The Holy Spirit imparts wisdom. I can think of many reasons why continuing in a debate over scripture is foolish and definitely unfruitful. We are told to live in harmony and not have petty disputes. When a conversation is going round in circles it is definitely not fruitful to persist, sinful perhaps. The Bible warns us against it too 2 Timothy 14.
We are told in Philippians 4:8 where to look. I'm sorry but each must give an account for our time and our words Natthew 12:36. We are also to guard our hearts and minds. Proverbs warns us about debating with fools.
Not saying anyone here is a fool btw but every man's way seems right to himself. We also should not think ourselves wise in our own sight.
It is also sinful if pride in our argument swells up. When the purpose of the discussion changes from trying to help others to understand something to an 'I'm right, you're wrong' fiasco I think that is also sinful. The wise course of action is to follow advice of scripture and to desist and do something fruitful.
And yes, the Lord grants wisdom. Proverbs 2:6 James 1:5 and James 3:17 Paul prayed this in Colossians 1:9
The Bible says throughout the OT that the beginning of wiadom is fear of the Lord. Many a fool misuses scripture. The Lord grants wisdom and we have a Helper to guide us. To say that wisdom is only found in scripture is very narrowsighted, it is God who grants that understanding.
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I can understand that. And if that was the reason, that is fine. I was hoping we could look at more of the context of the text he had presented. But as you said, disputing is not helpful.
I have had a few times on this particular topic that I needed to step away and just think it all through again.
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The Holy Spirit does impart wisdom. There is no reasons that talking about scripture in relation to ones salvation is unfruitful if it is in regards to edification and is pointing all to JESUS and His Word.
For example I have been talking with Christians that are trying to teach that it is ok to sin and still receive eternal life. We know this is a false teaching according to the scriptures if what they believe will lead them away from God and his Word and their hope of eternal life.
God's Word says it is our duty of love to our brothers and sisters to share Gods' Word to help those that may have an incorrect understanding of the scriptures. If we do not than the blood of our brothers and sisters will be required by God when we knew the truth but did not say anything to help those who have wondered out of the way.
How do you read EZEKIEL 3:17-21; 2 TIMOTHY 3:16; GALATIANS 6:1; MATTHEW 10:32-40; MATTHEW 10:21-25?
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How similar are the statements in Hebrews to the 7 letters of Revelation?
I think I may know where you are going. I was just hoping you could spell it out a bit more because I was not sure if I was following.
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Indeed but we are not talking about words that do not profit if someones salvation is at stake are we (no reference to anyone in particular; talking generally to the OP content)? How do you read EZEKIEL 3:17-21; 2 TIMOTHY 3:16; GALATIANS 6:1; MATTHEW 10:32-40; MATTHEW 10:21-25 and what do you think these scriptures are talking about?
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Read them. I found them irrelevant to what we were discussing about wisdom being granted from the Lord.
You see, I just said that our dear brother was probably using wisdom granted to him. You said it comes from scripture only. I explained two things 1) that it is given by God- which you agreed to and 2) Gave examples of when it is wise to retreat from a conversation that is going nowhere. We are warned not to cast pearls before swine. (Not that anyone is swine obviously). So sometimes it is wise to withdraw when things are fruitless.
You see Proverbs 3:5-6. Tells us to Trust in the Lord. God will lead those right who trust in Him. Our understanding is going to be wrong, that's why we aren't to lean on it. We lean on Him, not trusting in ourselves. If we acknowledge Him in all our ways we aren't going to fall! It is more fruitful pointing people to Him than contending over a few verses.
Once all has been said and read about a verse, two people aren't likely to change each other's mind. God though might at a later point. I don't know. We have to Trust in Him. Love our brothers and sisters. Sometimes that is speaking the word and other times its by keeping quiet.
You are now trying to prove that we should educate each other as to God's word. I wasn't saying anything against that originally. I must sleep my brother. It's 2:36am and I am on a holiday with my children.
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I think you misunderstood the reason for posting those scriputures. They were posted to show we have a duty of love to share God's Word if someone is following a teaching that leads them away from our hope of salvation so they are directly relevant to what we are discussing here in the OP are they not?
Wisdom is only given by God to those who believe and follow God's Word as they ask for it. We all need God's Wisdom because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. But I do agree that there is a time to stop talking. All are free to believe as they wish as we are all answerable to God come judgment day. Pointing people to God's Word is all that is being done here. We point people to Jesus through His Word because he is the Word.
Trusting in the Lord and leaning not on our own understanding means to believe and follow His Word alone as he guides us in His Word through his Spirit. If people agree or disagree it does not really matter much. The purpose as you have highlighted in your post is to plant the seed (the Word). If no one plants the seed there nothing that God can grow. This part is God's work not ours. You also forget this is a public forum.
Nice talking to you sister Sam have a nice rest
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I did quote you. Please look at the post you are quoting from or my original post to you in post # 662 linked. The discussion is in relation to your earlier claims on who are God's sheep or how one becomes God's sheep?
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Possibly everyone who counts context as important, but maybe just some of the posters, don't change their mind to the truth just by looking at more of the context again. When they live by a doctrine that they chose to believe, the context-truth won't make a difference to them.
It requires Yahuweh's (God's) revelation knowledge-understanding.
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From my reading plan (I'm a day... maybe two behind the group):
Romans 11
17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
Edit: That was the reading for today. Turns out now I'm a day ahead because of trying to catch up. Oops.
Romans 11
17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
Edit: That was the reading for today. Turns out now I'm a day ahead because of trying to catch up. Oops.
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Hello sister Sam, It is good to spend prayerful time in the study of God's Word. What do you think these scriptures mean to you?
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To me personally, I am grateful that the Lord has grafted me into His kingdom and nourishes me. I had better not think more highly of myself but be thankful for His mercy and be kind to those around me. As He loves me, I ought to love others or I'm an ungrateful wretch.
Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honour and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen.
I posted those verses as I think they are pertinent to your thread though. They follow the message Jesus gave in His parable mentioned hitherto, where the servant who was forgiven much debt did not pass on the same mercy to someone who owed him a morsal in comparison.
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Thanks I believe that same as you here.
Why do you think these scriptures are pertinent to this thread. I am not sure I understand what you are saying here.
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They are relevant. I do not know if you have already listed them but they are among the numerous warnings in the New testament. Is there even a book in the NT that does not have warnings and calls to perseverance? I can not think of one.
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Philemon.
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Absolutely sam! All these things are written for our admonition that is true and for sure. Forgive me as I am not sure exactly what your application of ROMANS 11 is but I believe it is a warning to us for sure as we can be broken off through unbelief (not believing and following Gods' Word) so from this perspective it is indeed relevant.
God bless
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