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mmksparbud said:

That it was not adultery in the OT has already been stated. Which still did not mean God approved of it. It became adultery once God said through Paul---one wife.

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If God gives you many wives, and promises to give you more if it is not enough, you can take it to the bank that he personally approves of his gift to you.

Peter1000 said:

If God gives you many wives, and promises to give you more if it is not enough, you can take it to the bank that he personally approves of his gift to you.

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You are going to hold onto your theory no matter what---as I said---it is moot---NT says ONE WIFE.

mmksparbud said:

You are going to hold onto your theory no matter what---as I said---it is moot---NT says ONE WIFE.

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It is not mute. God once gave men many wives, and you cannot say that God will not do that again, as he wishes.

Peter1000 said:

So answering 'he is the way's' question, are all those that are recorded in the OT that practiced plural marriage also committed adultery?

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Sin is sin. God changes not.

David Wright said:

Sin is sin. God changes not.

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That was NOT sin and as you said God does not change even when the Bible stated:
(New Testament | Acts 17:28 - 30)

28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

It is not God that changes, but times do.

Peter1000 said:

It is not mute. God once gave men many wives, and you cannot say that God will not do that again, as he wishes.

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God is not fickle. He doesn't constantly change mind--yes, no, yes, no, yes---maybe. He never commanded polygamy, He never put any woman under the penalty of destruction for not accepting polygamy (GET REAL)--It was made up by JS because he wanted a young girl. Very conveniently, then God gives another revelation revoking this demand--seriously? The God of the bible is not like that, only the god of JS. Good grief---God threatens destruction for not accepting it and then turns around and says it's no longer a demand---AND NO---HE NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE----Where is the verse that tell Lamech to take another wife? Where is the verse that tells Abraham to take another---go down the line--God never told anyone to do so.
What if Emma had not agreed? Would God have destroyed her, only to then say, sorry, you don't have to accept another wife after she was already dead???

David Wright said:

Sin is sin. God changes not.

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You need to read Acts 10:11-15
Acts 10:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

God was trying to help Peter understand that Cornelius was not unclean anymore, because God had announced gentiles clean now and they could be members of his Church.

What made them clean? God made them acceptable to be members, and Peter obeyed and went to the house of Cornelius and baptized his whole household.

Point of the story, if God says plural marriage is clean now, who are you to get your biases all up in an uproar and fight against God. God said to all Israelites that plural marriage is clean. If God says plural marriage is clean, it is no more adultery. So your sin is sin, God changes not is not a correct statement according to Acts 10, otherwise you would not be a Christian today since you are not a Jew. God had to have changed his mind as to who could be members of his Church, which he did very effectively in Acts 10. Thank goodness, now you, a gentile can be a member.

mmksparbud said:

God is not fickle. He doesn't constantly change mind--yes, no, yes, no, yes---maybe. He never commanded polygamy, He never put any woman under the penalty of destruction for not accepting polygamy (GET REAL)--It was made up by JS because he wanted a young girl. Very conveniently, then God gives another revelation revoking this demand--seriously? The God of the bible is not like that, only the god of JS. Good grief---God threatens destruction for not accepting it and then turns around and says it's no longer a demand---AND NO---HE NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE----Where is the verse that tell Lamech to take another wife? Where is the verse that tells Abraham to take another---go down the line--God never told anyone to do so.
What if Emma had not agreed? Would God have destroyed her, only to then say, sorry, you don't have to accept another wife after she was already dead???

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Yes God did tell Joseph Smith to take another wife, He also told Abraham to take Hagar to wife.

He is the way said:

Yes God did tell Joseph Smith to take another wife, He also told Abraham to take Hagar to wife.

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Please provide the verses!! He did not tell Abraham to take Hagar---Sarah had the bright idea because she lacked the faith to trust God and Abraham agreed. God told Abraham to send her and her child away!! The middle east is still paying for that family rift!

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Why do you say He does not endorse slavery? God has allowed people to become slaves because of their disobedience.

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That is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read.

mmksparbud said:

Please provide the verses!! He did not tell Abraham to take Hagar---Sarah had the bright idea because she lacked the faith to trust God and Abraham agreed. God told Abraham to send her and her child away!! The middle east is still paying for that family rift!

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(Old Testament | Genesis 26:4 - 5)

4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

BigDaddy4 said:

That is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read.

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Well it is true:

(Old Testament | Jeremiah 17:4)

4 And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.

(Old Testament | Jeremiah 49:37 - 39)

37 For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:
38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD.
39 ¶ But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.

(Old Testament | Ezekiel 36:12)

12 Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.

He is the way said:

(Old Testament | Genesis 26:4 - 5)

4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

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Where does this say that God said to take Hagar as a wife?? I must have missed it. Yes, Abraham obeyed God---and guess what--David was a man after God's own heart---and he murdered and committed adultery with Bathsheba! You don't understand God at all! Moses was forgiven for murder, so was David, Abraham was also. God did not tell David to murder Uriah, and He didn't tell Moses to kill the
Egyptian and He didn't tell Abraham to take Hagar!! What utter trash! JS's view of God is so totally twisted! Again---if you do not know God--He will not know you!

mmksparbud said:

Where does this say that God said to take Hagar as a wife?? I must have missed it. Yes, Abraham obeyed God---and guess what--David was a man after God's own heart---and he murdered and committed adultery with Bathsheba! You don't understand God at all! Moses was forgiven for murder, so was David, Abraham was also. God did not tell David to murder Uriah, and He didn't tell Moses to kill the
Egyptian and He didn't tell Abraham to take Hagar!! What utter trash! JS's view of God is so totally twisted! Again---if you do not know God--He will not know you!

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God did not say the same thing about Moses or David so why bring them up? It is not possible to know God without keeping the commandments.

He is the way said:

God did not say the same thing about Moses or David so why bring them up? It is not possible to know God without keeping the commandments.

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Don't start that again--You can keep them and still not know God for you are not thinking of God but of the commandments. What do you think God meant by David was a man after His own heart? David kept the commandments--he still murdered. All the men in the OT were sinners also---just forgiven ones, as we all are.

mmksparbud said:

Where does this say that God told to take Hagar as a wife?? I must have missed it. Yes, Abraham obeyed God---and guess what--David was a man after God's own heart---and he murdered and committed adultery with Bathsheba! You don't understand God at all! Moses was forgiven for murder, so was David, Abraham was also. God did not tell David to murder Uriah, and He didn't tell Moses to kill the
Egyptian and He didn't tell Abraham to take Hagar!! What utter trash! JS's view of God is so totally twisted! Again---if you do not know God--He will not know you!

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You are right, God did not tell David to kill Uriah. God did not tell Moses to kill the Egyptian. And we do not see in the scripture that God told Abraham to take Hagar. But we do know from the text that God knew what he was doing and was with Abraham, for he wanted Hagar to have Ishmael and start a multitude of nations, as per the angel of God. So it was tradition for women to do this to have seed when they were baron, and God was just fine with Abraham in doing it. You can see no evidence that the Lord was displeased with Abraham for doing it. So he must have condoned it.

I know you are going to shout false gospel and JS is a liar, so just cut through that and show me the scripture that proves that God was displeased with Abraham for taking Hagar as his wife. If you can't, then accept it and lets go on.

Peter1000 said:

You are right, God did not tell David to kill Uriah. God did not tell Moses to kill the Egyptian. And we do not see in the scripture that God told Abraham to take Hagar. But we do know from the text that God knew what he was doing and was with Abraham, for he wanted Hagar to have Ishmael and start a multitude of nations, as per the angel of God. So it was tradition for women to do this to have seed when they were baron, and God was just fine with Abraham in doing it. You can see no evidence that the Lord was displeased with Abraham for doing it. So he must have condoned it.

I know you are going to shout false gospel and JS is a liar, so just cut through that and show me the scripture that proves that God was displeased with Abraham for taking Hagar as his wife. If you can't, then accept it and lets go on.

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It was an accepted practice, and there is not one piece of evidence that states God wanted Ishmael. Just the opposite---He caste both Hagar and Ishmael OUT. That pretty well says God was not pleased.

Gen_21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Gen_21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

God was bound to make a nation of Ishmael BECAUSE he was the son of Abraham. Not because God wanted to have Ishmael in the picture at all. God does not stop our choices----once the choices are made, then the consequences follow.

mmksparbud said:

Don't start that again--You can keep them and still not know God for you are not thinking of God but of the commandments. What do you think God meant by David was a man after His own heart? David kept the commandments--he still murdered. All the men in the OT were sinners also---just forgiven ones, as we all are.

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Well Jesus taught repentance and keeping the commandments of LOVE. How is it possible to LOVE God with all your heart and not think about Him?
As for David God said:

(Old Testament | 1 Samuel 13:13 - 14)

13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever.
14 But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee.

And again:

(New Testament | Acts 13:21 - 22)

21 And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.
22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

David did much good, but sadly in the end he succumb to temptation.

He is the way said:

David did much good, but sadly in the end he succumb to temptation.

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He is the way said:

It is not possible to know God without keeping the commandments.

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Your position is inconsistent. How can you agree that David was "a man after God's heart", in accordance with Scripture, yet keep repeating your mantra about keeping the commandments? David knew God, according to Scripture, yet did not "keep the commandments". According to you, that's not possible!

BigDaddy4 said:

Your position is inconsistent. How can you agree that David was "a man after God's heart", in accordance with Scripture, yet keep repeating your mantra about keeping the commandments? David knew God, according to Scripture, yet did not "keep the commandments". According to you, that's not possible!

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(New Testament | 1 John 2:3 - 6)

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.