Trump: "I'm the least racist person in the world"

Ken Rank · Jul 30, 2019

LoAmmi said:
Is it? He's just pointing out bad conditions. He isn't even bothering to mention any causes of those conditions beyond "DUHHHH DEMOCRATS!"

They are in charge in those cities LoAmmi. High taxes and a failing infrastructure... that ideology doesn't work... not in any of our cities where it has been tried, and not in any nation where it was fully implemented.

Go Braves · Jul 30, 2019

bekkilyn said:
One has to actually recognize that racism is real before they could have any possibility of recognizing themselves as such. That's one reason why so many Trump supporters cannot see his racism. Many of the rest are racist and proud of it and so are happy that "one of theirs" is on the throne, so to speak.

Exactly right. What's appalling is that it's part of his campaign strategy.

Racism as a Campaign Strategy

Ken Rank · Jul 30, 2019

LoAmmi said:
I've been to places in West Virginia that are disgusting and filled with crime and drugs. No shoutouts to those areas though.

Sure you have, but you can't make the comparison like that! The Baltimore metro population is close to 7 million... all of WV is at 1.8 and spread out. There are INCREDIBLY poor areas in WV and certainly it needs help... but the poverty is almost exclusively tied to the shut down of mines whereas a city like Baltimore has much more money pumped into the system with nothing but failure to show for it. Far more money is pumped into the public schools in Baltimore than, say, Charleston (to the tune of about $5500 or so per student per year) and yet the schools in northern Baltimore do not have the same results and have a far greater crime problem than Charleston schools.

There are drug problems everywhere... our own very nice little town has a road called, "Heroine Highway" that connects it to Lexington... specifically the hospital. But if you are trying to make the argument that northern Baltimore and ANYWHERE in WV are the same... then you don't need to visit WV, you need to go walk around in that part of Baltimore. But be careful when you do... during the day... and don't you dare try it at night... this forum would miss you if you did. It is a lawless zone and pointing that out gives us a platform to talk. Instead, sadly.... the left has decided to instead use it as a platform to cry racism and like always... the problem then doesn't go away. If just becomes a tool used for political purposes. What a shame!

andy b · Jul 30, 2019

How do you define racist .....are Muslims or Jewish or Hindu deemed racist for only marrying within there own religion ...... everyone is bias to some degree I'm sure Americans supported the women in football are they racist as well it's nonsense Trump isn't a racist hrs a realist

Go Braves · Jul 30, 2019

andy b said:
How do you define racist .....are Muslims or Jewish or Hindu deemed racist for only marrying within there own religion ...... everyone is bias to some degree I'm sure Americans supported the women in football are they racist as well it's nonsense Trump isn't a racist hrs a realist

Maybe this will help:
Go back where you came from - Wikipedia

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC)—a federal government agency that "enforces federal law to make sure employees are not discriminated against for their gender, sex, national origin or age".[5] EEOC documents specifically cite the use of the comment "Go back to where you came from", as the example of unlawful workplace conduct by co-workers and supervisors—along with the use of "insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's accent"—deemed to be "harassment based on national origin".[6][5]

I think it's pretty reasonable that the president of the United States of America is expected to abide by standards set by a federal government agency.

cow451 · Jul 30, 2019

LoAmmi said:
I've been to places in West Virginia that are disgusting and filled with crime and drugs. No shoutouts to those areas though.

Almost Heaven...... what places if I may ask?

andy b · Jul 30, 2019

Go Braves said:
Maybe this will help:
Go back where you came from - Wikipedi
Depends on the context If someone from another country emigrates to your country and makes no attempt to fit in isn't that a fair comment.... colour is irrelevant the problem with your narrative is people are not allowed to question anything

I think it's pretty reasonable that the president of the United States of America is expected to abide by standards set by a federal government agency.

iluvatar5150 · Jul 30, 2019

Ken Rank said:
Not really... he has pretty consistently come against politicians who are in charge of major cities (i.e. Baltimore, NYC, etc) where things are not going as well for those living there as those in charge would have you believe. Chicago's incredibly high murder and crime rate, people moving out of NY in droves because of an almost over taxation without representation feel, and recently Baltimore which is a DISGUSTING PLACE filled with crime and drugs and all sorts of bad things. So, he points that out, calls out those leaders... and is then called a racist. If it weren't so sad it would be funny because it is so off the rail.

Chicago's crime rate isn't nearly as high as it's made out to be. At least according to wikipedia, it's ranked #10 on murders (behind places like Kansas City, Cleveland, and Memphis) and #17 on all violent crime (behind places like Minneapolis, Kansas City, and Albequerque)

Ken Rank said:
They are in charge in those cities LoAmmi. High taxes and a failing infrastructure... that ideology doesn't work... not in any of our cities where it has been tried, and not in any nation where it was fully implemented.

Your perception of the success of cities seems to be rather skewed. Urban areas are the engines of our economies. They create more economic output and enjoy more economically vitality than non-urban areas:

Another Clinton-Trump divide: High-output America vs low-output America

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/PBP_FramingChapter_compressed_0928.pdf

Yes, their crime & poverty problems are more concentrated and more visible, but with that bad also comes a lot more opportunity for growth. Cities are doing better now than non-urban areas and that gap doesn't look like it'll be closing any time soon.

Ken Rank said:
Sure you have, but you can't make the comparison like that! The Baltimore metro population is close to 7 million... all of WV is at 1.8 and spread out. There are INCREDIBLY poor areas in WV and certainly it needs help... but the poverty is almost exclusively tied to the shut down of mines whereas a city like Baltimore has much more money pumped into the system with nothing but failure to show for it. Far more money is pumped into the public schools in Baltimore than, say, Charleston (to the tune of about $5500 or so per student per year) and yet the schools in northern Baltimore do not have the same results and have a far greater crime problem than Charleston schools.

There are drug problems everywhere... our own very nice little town has a road called, "Heroine Highway" that connects it to Lexington... specifically the hospital. But if you are trying to make the argument that northern Baltimore and ANYWHERE in WV are the same... then you don't need to visit WV, you need to go walk around in that part of Baltimore. But be careful when you do... during the day... and don't you dare try it at night... this forum would miss you if you did. It is a lawless zone and pointing that out gives us a platform to talk. Instead, sadly.... the left has decided to instead use it as a platform to cry racism and like always... the problem then doesn't go away. If just becomes a tool used for political purposes. What a shame!

A couple things:

I don't know where you got the idea that the Baltimore metro area has 7 million people, but it doesn't. The whole state of MD only has 6M. Baltimore Metro has 2.7M. The city itself has 600k.

The poverty in Baltimore also has to do with de-industrialization. Baltimore was built as an industrial town and got socked pretty hard by the closing of Bethlehem Steel, GM, and a number of other factories and harbor facilities. That, combined with some pretty egregious white flight throughout the mid 20th century left and generations of corrupt and/or incompetent politicians have left the city in rough shape. Harsh policing strategies exacerbated all of that.

And I don't know why you're calling out northern Baltimore specifically. That's the rich part. It's also the safest part.

Baltimore City Homicides

LoAmmi said:
Let's talk about Baltimore, my home town. My grandparents grew up there, as did my father, and I was born there.

The tragedy of Baltimore is the loss of jobs combined with the senseless war on drugs and the tough on crime policies. It's the same as many other places in the nation. Go back far enough and people could go get a good job at places like Lever Brothers or Bethleham Steel, make good money, and raise a family. Then those jobs started to dry up. Automation, outsourcing, and pretty soon people can't make money. Those with means leave. Those without are stuck. Stuck in a place with no prospects, no good way out, and dwindling funds. Crime starts up because that's all that's left to make any substantial money, and people go to jail. Lots of people. A lot of young men have been whisked away to a cell, leaving single women to raise children. Single mothers can do just fine, but these situations make it even harder. They have to work at bad jobs just to try to put food on the table and their children fall into the same cycles.

"High taxes"? No. You could have zero taxes and the problem would be the same.

The lack of public transportation, or even of decent highway transportation, doesn't help either.

LoAmmi · Jul 30, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
Chicago's crime rate isn't nearly as high as it's made out to be. At least according to wikipedia, it's ranked #10 on murders (behind places like Kansas City, Cleveland, and Memphis) and #17 on all violent crime (behind places like Minneapolis, Kansas City, and Albequerque)

Your perception of the success of cities seems to be rather skewed. Urban areas are the engines of our economies. They create more economic output and enjoy more economically vitality than non-urban areas:

Another Clinton-Trump divide: High-output America vs low-output America

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/PBP_FramingChapter_compressed_0928.pdf

A couple things:

I don't know where you got the idea that the Baltimore metro area has 7 million people, but it doesn't. The whole state of MD only has 6M. Baltimore Metro has 2.7M. The city itself has 600k.

The poverty in Baltimore also has to do with de-industrialization. Baltimore was built as an industrial town and got socked pretty hard by the closing of Bethlehem Steel, GM, and a number of other factories and harbor facilities. That, combined with some pretty egregious white flight throughout the mid 20th century left and generations of corrupt and/or incompetent politicians have left the city in rough shape. Harsh policing strategies exacerbated all of that.

I don't know why you're calling out northern Baltimore specifically. That's the rich part.

The lack of public transportation, or even of decent highway transportation, doesn't help either.

Please. The light rail isn't enough?!

But to be serious, it is bad. Especially considering the great Metro system DC has just down the road.

Gigimo · Jul 30, 2019

Ken Rank said:
I see... nobody can open their mouth and point out a problem until they have an answer to fix it? That isn't how it works, today or historically. You see a problem, you identity it (which includes speaking about it) and then you work to fix it. But NOW... just mentioning it makes you a racist. We can do better than that, LoAmmi.

It's not Trumps problem to solve it's the state of Maryland's problem to solve, with their own money since they are one of the richest states in this country. But that isn't going to happen because they would rather spend that money in other ways, they have for decades and will continue to do so for decades in the future.

Seems to me they already got 8 billion of federal funds from the Obama stimulus, I wonder how foolishly they spent that money anyhow :scratch:

Jobs certainly weren't a priority...

Ken Rank · Jul 30, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
I don't know where you got the idea that the Baltimore metro area has 7 million people, but it doesn't. The whole state of MD only has 6M. Baltimore Metro has 2.7M. The city itself has 600k.

Sorry, my mistake. The county itself has more than 600K but you're right, the number of less than I said for the total. I misread the one stat and the 7+ million is the Baltimore/Washington metro area combined.

LoAmmi · Jul 30, 2019

Gigimo said:
It's not Trumps problem to solve it's the state of Maryland's problem to solve, with their own money since they are one of the richest states in this country. But that isn't going to happen because they would rather spend that money in other ways, they have for decades and will continue to do so for decades in the future.

Seems to me they already got 8 billion of federal funds from the Obama stimulus, I wonder how foolishly they spent that money anyhow Jobs certainly weren't a priority...

Plenty of countries, especially those near Washington, have lots of jobs and opportunities.

iluvatar5150 · Jul 30, 2019

LoAmmi said:
Please. The light rail isn't enough?!

lol

It's soooo bad.

Even if you accept the fact that it's a single line, the way it runs through the area is useless. K, so it stops at Wegmans and a couple other places in Hunt Valley. Too bad Hunt Valley isn't walkable at all. Then once it gets down into the city, it stops in Woodberry, which is a solid mile from most of the people in Hampden.

And the roads... It's amazing how long it takes me to drive across the city.

Gigimo said:
It's not Trumps problem to solve it's the state of Maryland's problem to solve, with their own money since they are one of the richest states in this country. But that isn't going to happen because they would rather spend that money in other ways, they have for decades and will continue to do so for decades in the future.

Yep, Marylanders are rich. And they don't like paying taxes.

Akita Suggagaki · Jul 30, 2019

Basil the Great said:
CNN, USA Today and others are quoting the President as making this bold claim. What impact will his statement make on the political landscape? Will his claim calm the fears of suburban and college educated whites? Will he be able to convince a significant number of African Americans to support him? What think ye?

Has anyone ever admitted to being racist?

Even the worst will say they are only stating a "truth", nothing racist.

Ken Rank · Jul 30, 2019

Gigimo said:
It's not Trumps problem to solve it's the state of Maryland's problem to solve, with their own money since they are one of the richest states in this country.

Absolutely... but by pointing out how much of a failure that ideology is on a city like Baltimore... when the main liberal presidential candidates are preaching the same path on a grander scale... then his rant becomes a public awareness commercial for any and all willing to pay attention and not allow the left wing media to skew the lens we are looking through.

LoAmmi · Jul 30, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
lol

It's soooo bad.

Even if you accept the fact that it's a single line, the way it runs through the area is useless. K, so it stops at Wegmans and a couple other places in Hunt Valley. Too bad Hunt Valley isn't walkable at all. Then once it gets down into the city, it stops in Woodberry, which is a solid mile from most of the people in Hampden.

And the roads... It's amazing how long it takes me to drive across the city.

Yep, Marylanders are rich. And they don't like paying taxes.

But you can get to the stadiums! Football is played there and they even used to have baseball there. Not sure what they are playing these days.

Ken Rank · Jul 30, 2019

GoldenBoy89 said:
They are not anti-American. They just don't subscribe to your idea of Americanism. You say that are not on the side of America yet Americans are the ones who elected these women to office, largely in response to the election of Donald Trump.

No, they don't subscribe to a Constitutional view of this country. They subscribe to a socialistic view which is against the foundations this nation was built on. And one of them, it seems... might even prefer sharia law.

LoAmmi · Jul 30, 2019

Ken Rank said:
Absolutely... but by pointing out how much of a failure that ideology is on a city like Baltimore... when the main liberal presidential candidates are preaching the same path on a grander scale... then his rant becomes a public awareness commercial for any and all willing to pay attention and not allow the left wing media to skew the lens we are looking through.

Baltimore is not run the way you suggest. You are I'll informed.

LoAmmi · Jul 30, 2019

Ken Rank said:
No, they don't subscribe to a Constitutional view of this country. They subscribe to a socialistic view which is against the foundations this nation was built on. And one of them, it seems... might even prefer sharia law.

Please point to the part of the Constitution where people are not allowed to advocate for the policies they think are best.

Hank77 · Jul 30, 2019

Go Braves said:
A lot of folks sat on their butts on election day. I don't think they'll make that mistake again in 2020.

I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton and even though Trump won, I wouldn't change my vote today.
Unless the Dems. can produce a candidate that I can vote for I won't be voting for the position of president again. I'm afraid they are going to choose a far left candidate that I can't vote for.

iluvatar5150 · Jul 30, 2019

LoAmmi said:
But you can get to the stadiums! Football is played there and they even used to have baseball there. Not sure what they are playing these days.

lol, I didn't even know it stopped at the stadiums, though I suppose I should have guessed. I suppose that makes some amount of sense.

My favorite part about living in the Boston area was Red Sox game days when I'd try to get on at the end of the green line and have to wait behind all the tourists trying to pay for their single-use tickets at the poorly designed kiosks.

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