People are doubling down on their racism and xenophobia

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Then take a look at Shiloh Raven's links.


I was asking if there are any examples of immigrants corrupting or spoiling cultural values...I understand the fear part, but what is being used as an example of a corrupted or spoiled value?
 
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I was asking if there are any examples of immigrants corrupting or spoiling cultural values...I understand the fear part, but what is being used as an example of a corrupted or spoiled value?
The increasing number of Roman Catholics in the country has often been complained of, the widespread use of languages other than English--especially Spanish--the celebration of foreign holidays like El Cinco de Mayo.
 
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The increasing number of Roman Catholics in the country has often been complained of, the widespread use of languages other than English--especially Spanish--the celebration of foreign holidays like El Cinco de Mayo.

How about the calls for Christmas to not be mentioned because not everyone celebrates Christmas, and it may offend those from other countries who aren't Christian.
Not to mention that there are now many who are offended by this nation's flag, so now we have to be "sensitive" about flying the U.S. flag in the U.S.
 
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The increasing number of Roman Catholics in the country has often been complained of, the widespread use of languages other than English--especially Spanish--the celebration of foreign holidays like El Cinco de Mayo.

Is this actual corruption and spoiling...or just perception?
 
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Sadly, I don't think racism will ever be completely eliminated. I think that some form of tribalism will always be a part of humanity. I wish that it could be eliminated but humans are sinful creatures and therefore I don't think the sin of racism will ever be erased.
 
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We speak English in America. Its our language. This is racism how?
English is the de faco national language because it is the most widely used but there is actually no official language of the US.

When you use "We" it means those who speak English and is an "us" and "them" mentality segregating english speakers with non-english speakers. There are American citizens who speak other languages dominately so are they the us or the them?
 
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How about the calls for Christmas to not be mentioned because not everyone celebrates Christmas, and it may offend those from other countries who aren't Christian.
Not to mention that there are now many who are offended by this nation's flag, so now we have to be "sensitive" about flying the U.S. flag in the U.S.
How about your fantasies about that? You are exaggerating a threat to your cultural values and blaming it "those from other countries." That's nativism.
 
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That's the definition of nativism?
Pretty much. Of course it depends on the dominant or traditional ethnicity of where you're at and how paranoid you are about it. Nativists in Paraguay might worry about their culture being spoiled by anglo Protestants and want to keep them out.
 
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Pretty much. Of course it depends on the dominant or traditional ethnicity of where you're at and how paranoid you are about it. Nativists in Paraguay might worry about their culture being spoiled by anglo Protestants and want to keep them out.
One might argue that Catholics migrants are illegally invading the USA. Isnt South America and Mexico mostly catholic? If that's so they are not obeying the law of the land by illegally crossing the boarder.
 
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One might argue that Catholics migrants are illegally invading the USA. Isnt South America and Mexico mostly catholic? If that's so they are not obeying the law of the land by illegally crossing the boarder.
Which is objectionable because it is illegal, not because they are Catholic.
 
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It's just changing. Whether it's spoiling or improving is a matter of opinion.

My CF friend, @JackRT, offered an insightful perspective for the reason why some Christians are up in arms about how swiftly the culture in America and Canada is changing. I personally think he's spot on.

"A fairly large block of my fellow Christians have what could be called an entitlement mentality. For a great many centuries we Christians have had things our own way and have controlled society to such an extent that we have been able to impose our own agenda without challenge.

However, when minority groups started demanding and receiving rights that they had previously been denied, rights that Christians held all along, these same Christians felt threatened and some even claimed that they were being persecuted. Rights and freedoms are not part of a zero-sum game.

Expanding them does not thereby reduce them for some other group. For example, extending marriage rights to homosexuals has not reduced the rights of heterosexuals in the slightest way. In reality Christians have lost no rights and are not threatened in any meaningful way. In Canada and the USA Christians are certainly not being persecuted."
 
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The irony of people complaining about a connection of this behavior to the president is the president is doubling down on his racist statements and trying to label everyone else a racist. It's hilarious, but we'll know who follows this flawed logic by looking at all the people nodding their heads with him.
 
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My CF friend, @JackRT, offered an insightful perspective for the reason why some Christians are up in arms about how swiftly the culture in America and Canada is changing. I personally think he's spot on.

"A fairly large block of my fellow Christians have what could be called an entitlement mentality. For a great many centuries we Christians have had things our own way and have controlled society to such an extent that we have been able to impose our own agenda without challenge.

However, when minority groups started demanding and receiving rights that they had previously been denied, rights that Christians held all along, these same Christians felt threatened and some even claimed that they were being persecuted. Rights and freedoms are not part of a zero-sum game.

Expanding them does not thereby reduce them for some other group. For example, extending marriage rights to homosexuals has not reduced the rights of heterosexuals in the slightest way. In reality Christians have lost no rights and are not threatened in any meaningful way. In Canada and the USA Christians are certainly not being persecuted."
If you feel the expansion of rights to others threatens you then that is the height of entitlement. But it also speaks to a feeling of superiority, you deserve those rights, while those lesser people do not deserve it. We see this attitude applied to immigration, race, sex, and sexual orientation. The expansion or rights or protection against discrimination protects all, but this group often feels threatened because at its core, they prefer the inequality because they believe their benefits are derived from the lack of competition; they truly believe there is a limited pie and they want the whole thing. Rather than see that a level field expands the pie for everyone, they choose to fight that expansion because it removes their elevated status.
 
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That's the definition of nativism?
Very good question.

Along with the general definition:
"the policy of protecting the interests of native-born or established inhabitants against those of immigrants."

Consider some examples:

Some Americans that are strongly nativist but not racist and also for instance don't like Trump a lot might for instance object to Trump's current wife, Melania Trump -- because she's Eastern European, and not native born. They might tolerate only a few foreigners, and it's a slight strain for them to tolerate even a few if they are a really strong nativist. Alternatively, they may feel that any foreigner ought to pay taxes, but not get any significant benefits, like Social Security (even after paying Social Security taxes for years), for example.

In contrast, a nativist that is also racist, in contrast, might like Melania Trump so long as there are not too many others like her coming (or tolerate Asians as long as not too many show up, etc.), but can tolerate her because she is white and European, for instance, but might not want any Central Americans to immigrate, because they are not European, and not as white. That would be a nativist that isn't too strong a nativist, but is racist.

A nativist that is not racist might tolerate some immigrants, even some from Central America also, but not many. They might think a small number is ok, like 2,000 (or 10,000, etc.) -- and for such a person the phrasing "legal immigrant" and "illegal" etc. are the comfortable, handy way to avoid talking about their real feeling too much, and hide that under color of law.

And "illegal immigrant" is a very convenient language also, because the administration can cut sharply down the number legally allowed sharply downwards, to a small number, and it's less obvious/less public what is happening to legal immigration caps or legal asylum caps...

Refugees -- those fleeing often for their lives, not safe often even in Mexico, because of the reach of the cartels or gangs that want to kill them -- these can also be sharply cut down, even though it will mean some of them die (because they really are fleeing for their lives).

So, nativism, though pleasant to any of us at first, in mere what-we'd-like-best for ourselves, is directly against God's will:

Leviticus 19:34 You must treat the foreigner living among you as native-born and love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 10:19 So you also must love the foreigner, since you yourselves were foreigners in the land of Egypt.

Basically, God loves refugees, and doesn't want those who are His to refuse to love them also.
 
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but it only seems to getting worse and much worse and is turning into an all out "war"... And "we" (us good ones trying not to get caught up in it) don't know what to do about it either...

What does Yahuweh Sovereign Almighty Creator say to do about the war every day as the believers are slaughtered like sheep ?
"BE OF GOOD CHEER" Jesus Says, "I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD"....

The persecution and death and suffering of the innocent ones will not stop until He Returns.
 
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thus there is no reason to apologize for their conduct
Rather, I (and others) have been repenting for decades for white man's injustices and oppression of the poor and robbery and murder of other people's for centuries....

Other's who are in the oppressed peoples have given us their blessing and thanks for doing so.

White man has only gotten worse, not better, in the last century, btw.
 
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