LDS How to Become a God

He is the way · Jul 28, 2019

mmksparbud said:
NO PROPHET IS ABOVE THE BIBLE.

There is huge amount of proof that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, but instead people rehash trivial things instead of looking at the mountain of proof.

He is the way · Jul 28, 2019

Pedra said:
Irony much? That is exactly what the members of the LDS have done, since you have turned to the false writing of a false prophet JS and STOPPED BELIEVING THE BIBLE.

I believe most of the Bible except where it contradicts itself. God does not repent. Moses saw God face to face.

mmksparbud · Jul 28, 2019

Peter1000 said:
And did not Jacob see this man's face? (this man that turns out to be God)
How exactly was God veiled as they wrestled?

And you again avoided the response from Jacob, "I have seen God face to face and my life was preserved".

Analyze Genesis 32:30, don't analyze the scriptures before it and the scriptures after it, just 32:30.

Now analyze this appearance of the Lord to Abraham, and Abraham did not die?
Genesis 18 King James Version (KJV)
18 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Also analyze why the Lord sat down and ate and drank if he is just a spirit?

You said that while God wrestled with Jacob he had to be veiled. I said that somehow the Lord is able to appear to men and they see him (and his face) and their lives are preserved. At other times his glory is too much to see his face, so you and I are both right. But we can't agree on how he veils himself, but his face is seen. There are too many scriptures that seem to conflict with
"you cannot see my face and live". So he must be able to veil his face somehow, which allows him to:
1) talk face to face, as a man talketh to his friend to Moses
2) wrestle at day-break with Jacob (Jacob had to have seen his face at daybreak but lived).
3) walks up to Abrahams tent and Abraham sees him and he eats and drinks and then later calls down thunderbolts from heaven and destroys Sodom and Gomorah.

Can God veil himself and his face and still be seen? The answer is yes, we just do not know how.

As for 33:20, perhaps even a thin veil like a cloud or some other type of veil will not preserve life if all of his glory is presented, therefore reconciling the seeming contradictory scriptures.

As I said---It was in the middle of the night, before dawn. Darkness was the veil.
Gen 32:26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
Of course God can alter His presence. He had to veil His face or any man would die. No man has actually seen His face.

mmksparbud · Jul 28, 2019

He is the way said:
There is huge amount of proof that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, but instead people rehash trivial things instead of looking at the mountain of proof.

Again---no prophet is above the bible.

mmksparbud · Jul 28, 2019

He is the way said:
Well for us there is one God:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

That's one God of this earth. You say there are many gods and that the Father has a Father--also a God, and He has a Father and so on and on.

He is the way · Jul 28, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Again---no prophet is above the bible.

No prophet is above the Book of Mormon either.

He is the way · Jul 28, 2019

mmksparbud said:
That's one God of this earth. You say there are many gods and that the Father has a Father--also a God, and He has a Father and so on and on.

God the Father is our God and the God and Father of Jesus Christ. He is the God we worship:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

mmksparbud · Jul 28, 2019

He is the way said:
No prophet is above the Book of Mormon either.

No book is above the bible either!

He is the way · Jul 28, 2019

mmksparbud said:
No book is above the bible either!

(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:16 - 17)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

dzheremi · Jul 28, 2019

He is the way said:
Well for us there is one God

You must think I just got here... :doh:

"I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that express purpose. I wish to declare that I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years.

I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods."

From the book Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 370 (accessible here)

So let's see...who should we believe about the theology of your religion: Joseph Smith himself, as compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith (another one of the Mormon 'prophets', as I understand it), or you?

I didn't think I would ever write these words in this particular order, but I'm going to believe Joseph Smith.

mmksparbud · Jul 28, 2019

He is the way said:
(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:16 - 17)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

BOM and the rest are not scripture.

He is the way · Jul 28, 2019

dzheremi said:
You must think I just got here...

"I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that express purpose. I wish to declare that I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years.

I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods."

From the book Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 370 (accessible here)

So let's see...who should we believe about the theology of your religion: Joseph Smith himself, as compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith (another one of the Mormon 'prophets', as I understand it), or you?

I didn't think I would ever write these words in this particular order, but I'm going to believe Joseph Smith.

Like I said for us there is one God, the Father. That being said there are many Gods and Lords. Jesus is our brother and we have the same God and Father:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He is the way · Jul 28, 2019

mmksparbud said:
BOM and the rest are not scripture.

Saying they are not scripture does not make it so:

(Book of Mormon | Preface Introduction:1 - 3)

1 The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel.
2 The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Their words, written on gold plates, were quoted and abridged by a prophet-historian named Mormon. The record gives an account of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians.
3 The crowning event recorded in the Book of Mormon is the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ among the Nephites soon after his resurrection. It puts forth the doctrines of the gospel, outlines the plan of salvation, and tells men what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come.

mmksparbud · Jul 29, 2019

He is the way said:
Saying they are not scripture does not make it so:

(Book of Mormon | Preface Introduction:1 - 3)

1 The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel.
2 The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Their words, written on gold plates, were quoted and abridged by a prophet-historian named Mormon. The record gives an account of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians.
3 The crowning event recorded in the Book of Mormon is the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ among the Nephites soon after his resurrection. It puts forth the doctrines of the gospel, outlines the plan of salvation, and tells men what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come.

Saying they are, do not make them so. Show the golden plates so they can be examined----otherwise, they do not exist.

Pedra · Jul 29, 2019

He is the way said:
Like I said for us there is one God, the Father. That being said there are many Gods and Lords. Jesus is our brother and we have the same God and Father:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

It is blaspheming the True God and those who believe that will be cast out. You do not know the real Jesus, nor the Father , nor do you have the Holy Spirit.

margetttafischer · Jul 29, 2019

He is the way said:
There is huge amount of proof that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, but instead people rehash trivial things instead of looking at the mountain of proof.

Yes that’s right

Pedra · Jul 29, 2019

He is the way said:
Saying they are not scripture does not make it so:

(Book of Mormon | Preface Introduction:1 - 3)

1 The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel.
2 The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Their words, written on gold plates, were quoted and abridged by a prophet-historian named Mormon. The record gives an account of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians.
3 The crowning event recorded in the Book of Mormon is the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ among the Nephites soon after his resurrection. It puts forth the doctrines of the gospel, outlines the plan of salvation, and tells men what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come.

Those claims by JS have been debunked by Archeology, DNA tests, and historical data and it is proven by DNA that Native Americans migrated from East Asia, and mongolia and there is no Jewish ancestry.
It is very sad for you, to believe the false book of mormon and to disbelieve the Bible as the infallible complete word of God.
Science has been debunking the false archeological claims in the book of mormon, you must wake up. Smithsonian wrote a letter debunking the archeology statements in the Book of Mormon.
Smithsonian Institution statement on the Book of Mormon

Pedra · Jul 29, 2019

margetttafischer said:
Yes that’s right

So you too are deceived margaret. Sad.

He is the way · Jul 29, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Saying they are, do not make them so. Show the golden plates so they can be examined----otherwise, they do not exist.

Okay, right after someone shows up with the original manuscript of the Bible.

mmksparbud · Jul 29, 2019

margetttafischer said:
Yes that’s right

Are you another one that goes against CF rules by claiming to be Christian instead of Mormon? This site does not recognize Mormonism as Christian. Not many do. It is not that we are anti-Mormon people---we are anti-Mormon theology. I have a step-daughter that is Mormon. You are welcome no matter what denomination, I do hope you are, however, being honest about your affiliation. I do wonder why many choose to just use Christian instead of just stating what they are? I thought about it myself as being SDA is tantamount to waving a red flag at a bull around here, just like Mormon--but I figured if you can't stand the heat...….

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