WHY IS THERE SO MANY WARNINGS FROM GOD'S WORD ABOUT LOSING SALVATION IF IT IS NOT POSSIBLE??

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Of course I have read HEBREWS. You denying the scriptures posted there earlier does not make them go away. The context of HEBREWS 6:4-8 is BELIEVERS becoming UNBELIEVERS and returing to a life of sin. This is demonstrated verse by verse in post # 195 linked that you refuse to respond to or believe.
It’s only the context for those who believe that their actions result in righteousness, and lack of actions result in destruction. But since justification is by faith alone, and we are blessed because our sins are not counted against us, then it should be clear to anyone who holds fast to the gospel that there’s no sin of ours that’s greater than God’s grace to those whom He has chosen and given to His Son.
 
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Yes it is.. Jesus says none of those God gives into His Hand will be lost, but will be raised up at the last Day.

"And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day." John 6:39

I'm seeing no ambiguity here.

We have free will to sin until our last breath...

We first have to run the race 2 Tim 4:7 before salvation is assured.

With unrepentant sin on our souls when we die, we must stand before God and answer for those.

This is why we must confess and repent every single day.

We have the gift of free will and as we follow Him, we do our best with the help of the holy Spirit.

But we cannot help but sin, as we are fallen

To say we are not, is to deny the need of a Savior.
 
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When Trump slept with all those prostitutes, and married a bunch of different women, it was okay because God allowed it to demonstrate his sovereignty.

Trump did NOT have a choice to marry a handful of women and pay off prostitutes. Criticism of our President is to question the mind of God.
 
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Hi all,

This thread is for general discussion on what the bible says about losing salvation. Does the bible really teach this?

In which version of the bible does the term 'losing salvation' or 'lose your salvation' appear in any of the verses posted? Thanks :)
 
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It’s only the context for those who believe that their actions result in righteousness, and lack of actions result in destruction. But since justification is by faith alone, and we are blessed because our sins are not counted against us, then it should be clear to anyone who holds fast to the gospel that there’s no sin of ours that’s greater than God’s grace to those whom He has chosen and given to His Son.

Scripture please. All I hear are your words written that do not reflect what is written in HEBREWS 6:4-8 and your refusal to address the post and scriptures provided in post # 195 linked. Please address the post and the scriptures posted that disagree with you. You cannot can you. If you cannot why not believe the scriptures posted? HEBEREWS 6:4-8 says absolutely NOTHING about these people trying to get righteousness by their own works. Here let me post exactly what it says for you here...

HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Note what the scriptures say. These are God's Word not mine..

1. They were once enlightened; v4
2. Having tasted of the Heavenly gift; v4
3. They were made partakers of the Holy Ghost; v4
4. Having tasted of the good Word of God; v5
5. Having tasted of the power of the world to come v5

So reviewing the CONTEXT of these scriptures we don't really need to say much they speak for themselves. These people were BELIEVERS that departed from GOD and became "UNBELIEVERS" returning back to a life of sin. These people being referred to here in this warning are BELIEVERS as shown in the CONTEXT of v4-5 which continues...

[6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Yep, BELIEVERS having fallen away from the HEAVENLY gift back into sin..

[7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God:
[8], But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Yep their end is to be burned does not sound like they will be going into God's Kingdom not having any REPENTANCE for sin (v6). These scripture show that a BELIEVER can FALL AWAY back into SIN. Not sure why your having problems here brother to be honest.

Do you believe what God's Word says here?
 
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In which version of the bible does the term 'losing salvation' or 'lose your salvation' appear in any of the verses posted? Thanks :)
Salvation and having God's presence in our lives is condtional on believing and following God's Word always in the "present tense" (now). All who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the kingdom of Heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-31; HEBREWS 6:4-8; MATTHEW 7:22-12. That is why there is so many warnings all through the old and new testament scriptures not to depart the faith and fall away from believing and following God's Word. Only those who endure temptation to the end believing and following God's Word recieve eternal life *JAMES 1:12. Departing the faith and falling away from the faith back into a life of known unrepentant sin is losing salvation (scriptures already provided in the OP). Now please, show me the scripture that says "once we are saved we are always saved and we cannot lose salvation? There is no scripture.
 
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Like I said, others are welcome to examine.
Indeed. Well why not start it off by proving what you say? Please post a link and direct quote where I have ever posted anywhere in this forum that we are saved in any way by what we do when I have directly told you that we are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8 and further stated that OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us to love as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. According to God's Word if our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. Sadly this is where the majority lie according to the scriptures. Now if you cannot provide anything from me stating what you claim why do you pretend that I am saying things I am not?
 
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But we cannot help but sin, as we are fallen.

To say we are not, is to deny the need of a Savior.

Your 100% correct in you assessment of a person BEFORE they become Believers, once they do however, they are no longer FALLEN, they are the Born Again Children of God.

Pro. 23:7
For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:

Therefore if a man thinketh he is Fallen, he is fallen.
 
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We first have to run the race 2 Tim 4:7 before salvation is assured.

Have you never read.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Where did Jesus say,
"Now that you are Saved, your works will determine your Salvation"?
 
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Indeed. Well why not start it off by proving what you say?
LoveGodsWord, I don't remember if it was you or the other one with a similar name, but I asked awhile back if we could move on from Hebrews because it has been hashed to death, and if you could provide another verse that you believe perfectly illustrates that a born-again, Bible-believing Christian who is indwelt with the Holy Spirit can lose his salvation.

Would you do that please?
 
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LoveGodsWord, I don't remember if it was you or the other one with a similar name, but I asked awhile back if we could move on from Hebrews because it has been hashed to death, and if you could provide another verse that you believe perfectly illustrates that a born-again, Bible-believing Christian who is indwelt with the Holy Spirit can lose his salvation.

Would you do that please?

Hi Dave, I can understand why many want to move on from HEBREWS 6:4-8. No one has been able to show that it is not referring to those who were once believers. If this is the case why would we want to move on from HEBREWS 6:4-8 as it directly shows that a believer can fall away from the faith back into a life of sin and lose salvation (scriptures provided verse by verse in post # 195 linked or post # 347 linked). Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. There is no verse that is more clear as HEBREWS 6:4-8 that shows that spirit filled believers can fall away from Gods' Word back into a life of sin to become unbelievers. To say otherwise is simply to deny God's Word.
 
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Not necessarily. Who is HEBREWS 6:4-8 referring to?
Paul, the writer; Jesus the Author was talking to everyone who are NOT true Christians... For it is Impossible if you are TRULY saved to Fall away. There are many that will call HIS name and HIS response will be, I do not know you.
In John 6:39 (KJV).."And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day."


Therefore, if you are truly saved and fall away, Jesus is a liar
and Jesus Christ is not a liar!

Today's churches (over 90%) have become apostate (a falling away) from the practices and commandments of Jesus Christ. Rem. Jesus tells us there will be tares and wheat within the same (brick & mortar) church. These who claim to be Christian and are not saved will not taste of Heaven.

Everyone needs to make sure what their position with Jesus Christ is. It is critical.

Blade
 
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We have free will to sin until our last breath...

We first have to run the race 2 Tim 4:7 before salvation is assured.

With unrepentant sin on our souls when we die, we must stand before God and answer for those.

This is why we must confess and repent every single day.

We have the gift of free will and as we follow Him, we do our best with the help of the holy Spirit.

But we cannot help but sin, as we are fallen

To say we are not, is to deny the need of a Savior.

Our will comes from the heart; unless the Spirit changes our hearts we are still part of the world under Satan's power. :heartdecoration:The Father brought us to Christ and makes us new creatures.

2 Corinthians 3
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the :heartdecoration:heart.

2 Corinthians 5
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ezekiel 36
26 A new :heartdecoration:heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
 
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Hi Dave, I can understand why many want to move on from HEBREWS 6:4-8. No one has been able to show that it is not referring to those who were once believers. If this is the case why would we want to move on from HEBREWS 6:4-8 as it directly shows that a believer can fall away from the faith back into a life of sin and lose salvation (scriptures provided verse by verse in post # 195 linked or post # 347 linked). Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. There is no verse that is more clear as HEBREWS 6:4-8 that shows that spirit filled believers can fall away from Gods' Word back into a life of sin to become unbelievers. To say otherwise is simply to deny God's Word.

The reason that I'd like to move on to a different passage is because I, and countless others here, have shown you over and over again why the Hebrews 6 passage does not prove that a born-again, Bible-believing, Christian who is indwelt with the Holy Spirit can't lose his or her salvation. But you refuse to acknowledge our explanations, so we have reached the end of discussion of Hebrews 6. Right?

I'm just thinking that by expanding the discussion into a new arena we might be able to get past the stalemate and into some fresh discussion. Frankly, when a debate bogs down to where the arguments are repeating themselves, it becomes boring and a waste of time to continue.

So, help us out by offering another passage that you believe supports your losing-salvation belief, so we can continue the discussion.
 
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The reason that I'd like to move on to a different passage is because I, and countless others here, have shown you over and over again why the Hebrews 6 passage does not prove that a born-again, Bible-believing, Christian who is indwelt with the Holy Spirit can't lose his or her salvation. But you refuse to acknowledge our explanations, so we have reached the end of discussion of Hebrews 6. Right?

I'm just thinking that by expanding the discussion into a new arena we might be able to get past the stalemate and into some fresh discussion. Frankly, when a debate bogs down to where the arguments are repeating themselves, it becomes boring and a waste of time to continue.

So, help us out by offering another passage that you believe supports your losing-salvation belief, so we can continue the discussion.
Yeah, I'd like the conversation to move on from those verses too but for a different reason.

Those verses kept me in the wilderness for 15 years. I sinned knowingly and thought there was no way back for me. My self-condemnation, lack of understanding about God's grace and reliance on feelings prevented me from knowing my position in Him. I thought there was no way back, that I was a hypocrite who obviously didn't love God enough.

I was a Christian who although understood Jesus sacrifice thought I had to be perfect. I had smoked you see to try to stop my boyfriend from doing it and was then hooked. I couldn't quit and thought that meant I'd failed.

I tried many years to 'come back' to Christ. I thought there was no way back unless God called me back. Many times I tried to earn forgiveness through reading scripture and repenting all day. Fizzled out after a few weejs every time because I still couldn't feel forgiven.

I even ignored a miraculous healing. I was testifying to my husband that 'if I was a good Christian, if it was in His will and I believed 100% I would be healed'. Now I did believe whqt I was saying and in that instant I was healed. Despite this in my head I was still condemned.

This verse was a major stumbling block for me. It prevented me being able to learn the Truth for so many years. The only reason I didn't remain in the wilderness was because 3 years ago I decided to just remain humble and silent and asked the Holy Spirit to pray for me. I didn't want to make false promises to the Lord again. I immediately picked up my bible and read the parable where Jesus says 'Get up and walk'. I obeyed. I trusted in those words 'your sins are forgiven' and focussed on walking with Him. Since then God has shown me that it is only in Christ's righteousness that I can stand. That even if I lived as perfectly as possible I would still couldn't ever deserve eternal life. It is His gift and I obey Him out of love and because it is who I am now. My obedience is no longer because I try to be good enough.

I do wish the conversation would move on to protect other Christians with a poor understanding from enduring the possible bleakness that I had to. My heart yearned for God but I thought all was over.
 
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Sam, I appreciate your forthrightness with your story. And I'm sorry for all you have gone through.

Do I understand you that you are saying the false doctrine of losing salvation is what caused you so much anxiety, in thinking that there was no way back for you from losing salvation because of some sin? In other words, you believed your sin had caused you to lose your salvation?

Please forgive me if I misunderstand what your are saying. But, if what I am correctly understanding what you are saying, I have to say that is a truly tragic consequence of the false doctrine of losing salvation.
 
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Sam, I appreciate your forthrightness with your story. And I'm sorry for all you have gone through.

Do I understand you that you are saying the false doctrine of losing salvation is what caused you so much anxiety, in thinking that there was no way back for you from salvation because of some sin? In other words, you believed your sin had caused you to lose your salvation?

Please forgive me if I misunderstand what your are saying. But, if what I am correctly understanding what you are saying, I have to say that is a truly tragic consequence of the false doctrine of losing salvation.
I guess it could have been. I still believe that you can lose your salvation though. I would like to see it the other way, but I really don't see the Bible saying it.

I take comfort from the verses that nothing can separate me from the love of God. I also recognise that our Father is busy shaping us and guiding us. That He protects, provides and blesses us far beyond anything we can deserve. I no longer worry about it much because He has taught me to just trust in Him. Proverbs 3:5-6, Philippians 4:6-9. He is the author and finisher of my faith and I can approach His throne of grace with confidence (and gratitude and awe).

Thank you for your compassion.
 
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