LDS How to Become a God

Pedra · Jul 26, 2019

He is the way said:
Paul was looking forward to becoming a God through Jesus Christ.

THAT is only what You & other mormons think because of your distortions of scriptures.
btw, this "you can be God" of Joseph Smith, is the same twisting of God's message that Satan tempted Eve with in the garden of Eden, same message, same authorship!

Peter1000 · Jul 26, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Mosses sinned and had to die. He was considered righteous---not sin free yet. And it is clearly stated, Moses did not see God eye to eye. He was always in a cloud, vail, fire--always cloaked, He only saw His back parts. It has been shown to you. You can not believe in the clear word of God and must filter everything through JS---you then fail to know truth.

So Moses saw the back parts of God the Fathers body, right?

Peter1000 · Jul 26, 2019

Pedra said:
THAT is only what You & other mormons think because of your distortions of scriptures.
btw, this "you can be God" of Joseph Smith, is the same twisting of God's message that Satan tempted Eve with in the garden of Eden, same message, same authorship!

This is what God said about the matter:

Genesis 3:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

And don't tell me that the word "as" has any bearing on anything, because we say:
My son has become as I am.
You have become as one with you wife.
God says you are as one of the gods now, knowing good and evil. (When God says one of us there must have been more than 1 God).

satan said they would and God confirmed that they did. satan does not lie every time he opens his mouth.

Obviously A&E were not gods yet, they were, however, gods in embryo. They now knew what was good and what was evil, a great big step toward becoming like God.

Rescued One · Jul 26, 2019

He is the way said:
So according to you Paul is with Satan:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:14)

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

God is a calling:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:10)

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

However Paul is NOT with Satan, He is like Abraham:

(New Testament | Luke 16:22 - 23)

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

You ignored my rebuttal to your false interpretation of Philippians 3:14. Good-bye.

Rescued One · Jul 26, 2019

dzheremi said:
If you're going to claim that another poster is saying something, then why do you follow it up with your own interpretation of the text, rather than theirs? Did Phoebe Ann at any point say that "the high calling in Christ Jesus" means that St. Paul taught Mormon polytheism, or that "God is a calling" (What the heck does that mean? Being an elementary school teacher or working for Habitat for Humanity or something like that is a calling...does that mean God is snack-time and construction work, or is Mormonism cataphatic theology run amok)? If she did, I'd be rather shocked, seeing as how she is very clearly not a Mormon anymore!

Remember how earlier in the thread, a few pages ago, when I wasn't sure what you were saying with regard to Eve being made in the image of her mother, I asked you what you meant? And when you replied, I summarized it in my own words (even specifying that this understanding was according to how I had understood you: "So that's a yes, from where I'm sitting"), giving you the opportunity to correct me again if I had actually misunderstood you?

Maybe you should try that with Christian posters, instead of putting your incredibly erroneous interpretation in their mouths and then acting like they're saying what you're saying.

Nobody here agrees with you except for your fellow Mormons. Stop trying to pretend otherwise.

Thank you. I was far off following false prophets, but when I cried out to the real God, He delivered me.

Rescued One · Jul 26, 2019

No one is a god in embryo.

False teaching from Mormonism:
Adam did only what he had to do. He partook of that fruit for one good reason, and that was to open the door to bring you and me and everyone else into this world, for Adam and Eve could have remained in the Garden of Eden; they could have been there to this day, if Eve hadn’t done something.

One of these days, if I ever get to where I can speak to Mother Eve, I want to thank her for tempting Adam to partake of the fruit. He accepted the temptation, with the result that children came into this world. … If she hadn’t had that influence over Adam, and if Adam had done according to the commandment first given to him, they would still be in the Garden of Eden and we would not be here at all. We wouldn’t have come into this world...

Well, that was what the Lord expected Adam to do, because that opened the door to mortality; and we came here into this mortal world to receive a training in mortality that we could not get anywhere else or in any other way.
Joseph Fielding Smith, Adam's Role in Bringing in Bringing Us Mortality, Ensign, January 2006, p. 52
http://media.ldscdn.org/pdf/magazines/ensign-january-2006/2006-01-00-ensign-eng.pdf

mmksparbud · Jul 26, 2019

Peter1000 said:
So Moses saw the back parts of God the Fathers body, right?

It was the pre-incarnate Jesus.

mmksparbud · Jul 26, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
No one is a god in embryo.

False teaching from Mormonism:
Adam did only what he had to do. He partook of that fruit for one good reason, and that was to open the door to bring you and me and everyone else into this world, for Adam and Eve could have remained in the Garden of Eden; they could have been there to this day, if Eve hadn’t done something.

One of these days, if I ever get to where I can speak to Mother Eve, I want to thank her for tempting Adam to partake of the fruit. He accepted the temptation, with the result that children came into this world. … If she hadn’t had that influence over Adam, and if Adam had done according to the commandment first given to him, they would still be in the Garden of Eden and we would not be here at all. We wouldn’t have come into this world...

Well, that was what the Lord expected Adam to do, because that opened the door to mortality; and we came here into this mortal world to receive a training in mortality that we could not get anywhere else or in any other way.
Joseph Fielding Smith, Adam's Role in Bringing in Bringing Us Mortality, Ensign, January 2006, p. 52
http://media.ldscdn.org/pdf/magazines/ensign-january-2006/2006-01-00-ensign-eng.pdf

Right---Adam and Eve had to correct the inadequate works of God!!! :doh:

dzheremi · Jul 26, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
No one is a god in embryo.

False teaching from Mormonism:
Adam did only what he had to do. He partook of that fruit for one good reason, and that was to open the door to bring you and me and everyone else into this world, for Adam and Eve could have remained in the Garden of Eden; they could have been there to this day, if Eve hadn’t done something.

One of these days, if I ever get to where I can speak to Mother Eve, I want to thank her for tempting Adam to partake of the fruit. He accepted the temptation, with the result that children came into this world. … If she hadn’t had that influence over Adam, and if Adam had done according to the commandment first given to him, they would still be in the Garden of Eden and we would not be here at all. We wouldn’t have come into this world...

Well, that was what the Lord expected Adam to do, because that opened the door to mortality; and we came here into this mortal world to receive a training in mortality that we could not get anywhere else or in any other way.
Joseph Fielding Smith, Adam's Role in Bringing in Bringing Us Mortality, Ensign, January 2006, p. 52
http://media.ldscdn.org/pdf/magazines/ensign-january-2006/2006-01-00-ensign-eng.pdf

Yikes!

How different this is than any kind of traditional, Biblically-based Christianity, which affirms that the creation -- man included -- was created in perfection, and it was only later that sin entered the world (Romans 5:12).

What a disturbing theological world Mormonism exists in to say "they could have been there to this day, if Eve hadn’t done something", as though to live within the paradise in which the Lord has put you is somehow a terrible thing!

dzheremi · Jul 26, 2019

And in the liturgy, we have prayers like the Prayer of Reconciliation which affirm this theology:

O GOD, the Great, the Eternal, who formed man in incorruption;
and death, which entered into the world through the envy of the Devil, You have destroyed by the life-giving manifestation of Your only-begotten Son, our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ.

You have filled the earth with the heavenly peace
by which the hosts of angels glorify You, saying,
“Glory to God in the highest, peace on earth, and good will towards men.”

Pedra · Jul 26, 2019

dzheremi said:
Yikes!

How different this is than any kind of traditional, Biblically-based Christianity, which affirms that the creation -- man included -- was created in perfection, and it was only later that sin entered the world (Romans 5:12).

What a disturbing theological world Mormonism exists in to say "they could have been there to this day, if Eve hadn’t done something", as though to live within the paradise in which the Lord has put you is somehow a terrible thing!

His thought is total opposite to mine, which has always been .. who would want to name their child e or....? sorry.. but, obviously they did not understand the story of Genesis imo. Imagine walking in the cool of the day with the LORD & in a peaceful blessed paradise that God created for you?

He is the way · Jul 26, 2019

dzheremi said:
I know what a calling is. I was asking what it means to say that "God is a calling". That's gibberish. That doesn't even work with the definition you've given. If a calling is "called to by someone who has the authority to confer that office upon someone else", then that's akin to making God an office.

Is God an office? No. That's stupid. You can't be "elected to God" or "appointed to God".

Ughhh...I swear to office!

It is not possible to take Godhood upon one's self just as it is impossible to take the priesthood on oneself:

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:4)

4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

He is the way · Jul 26, 2019

mmksparbud said:
You have been shown where God spoke to Moses only veiled. Face to face is not eye to eye--it is audible as opposed to visions and dreams and you refuse to accept the written word of God over the writings of a fake prophet. It is your loss in this life and the next.

I have shown you it was face to face as a man speaks to his friend.

mmksparbud · Jul 26, 2019

He is the way said:
I have shown you it was face to face as a man speaks to his friend.

Read post 425 again. It is His audible voice they hear in the mist---God spoke to His prophets usually through dreams and visions or impression of the mind. occasionally, in an audible voice. Face to face is not eye to eye.
the idiom face to face can be simply understood to mean “intimately.” Moses spoke with God familiarly, as a man speaks to a friend.
Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Exo 33:9 And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the LORD talked with Moses.

Pedra · Jul 26, 2019

He is the way said:
I have shown you it was face to face as a man speaks to his friend.

Sorry you can't "show us" because it is not in the scripture.
Moses did not see God face to face. Believe scripture.

Exodus 33:18 "17And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do this very thing you have asked, for you have found favor in My sight, and I know you by name.”
18 Then Moses said, “Please show me Your glory.”
19“I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,” the LORD replied, “and I will proclaim My name—the LORD—before you. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.
20 And He added, “You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live..
21The LORD continued, “There is a place near Me where you are to stand upon a rock,…22and when My glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by.…
23 Then I will take My hand away, And you Will See My Back;
but My FACE MUST NOT BE SEEN.”…

Pedra · Jul 26, 2019

Peter1000 said:
This is what God said about the matter:

Genesis 3:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

And don't tell me that the word "as" has any bearing on anything, because we say:
My son has become as I am.
You have become as one with you wife.
God says you are as one of the gods now, knowing good and evil. (When God says one of us there must have been more than 1 God).

satan said they would and God confirmed that they did. satan does not lie every time he opens his mouth.

Obviously A&E were not gods yet, they were, however, gods in embryo. They now knew what was good and what was evil, a great big step toward becoming like God.

It specifically refers to "the knowledge of good & evil" <as us> , it was not saying that they had become a god or like -- GOD or shared any of God's attributes and nothing of the sort was inferred in this text at all.
If you want understanding you must stop reading into the text what is NOT there!
Clearly Adam & Eve were not like GOD.
As for the "Like US " comment you make, this has been explained before that the plural use "Like Us" is simply referring to the plural of the -> The Trinity--the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit the 3 persons but One GOD.
The decision to kick them out of the garden was necessary because of the danger for these humankind to have knowledge of evil & then eat from the Tree of Life obtaining immortality without having any other qualities of GOD like being ..in order to resist , restrain & subdue evil.

He is the way · Jul 26, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Read post 425 again. It is His audible voice they hear in the mist---God spoke to His prophets usually through dreams and visions or impression of the mind. occasionally, in an audible voice. Face to face is not eye to eye.
the idiom face to face can be simply understood to mean “intimately.” Moses spoke with God familiarly, as a man speaks to a friend.
Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Exo 33:9 And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the LORD talked with Moses.

(Old Testament | Exodus 19:11)

11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

(Old Testament | Job 19:26)

26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

(Old Testament | 1 Kings 11:9)

9 ¶ And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,

(New Testament | Hebrews 12:14)

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:8)

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

(New Testament | Revelation 22:4)

4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

mmksparbud · Jul 26, 2019

He is the way said:
(Old Testament | Exodus 19:11)

11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

(Old Testament | Job 19:26)

26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

(Old Testament | 1 Kings 11:9)

9 ¶ And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,

(New Testament | Hebrews 12:14)

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:8)

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

(New Testament | Revelation 22:4)

4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

I already said the saved shall see His face, I already quoted that last verse. There are many verses about the face of God. It always veiled. No one has been eye to eye with God except those that are in heaven, the angels and Moses, Enoch and Elijah. Certainly not JS. The only face he saw---if indeed he saw him at all, was Moroni and he was no angel of God.
2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Peter1000 · Jul 27, 2019

mmksparbud said:
It was the pre-incarnate Jesus.

Here is a description of the pre-incarnate Jesus:
Exodus 24:10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

The pre-incarnate Jesus was only a spirit as the scripture says (in his clearness).

It was God the Father that with his body picked up Moses and put him in the cleft of a rock and then flew past him and as he passed he put his hand over his face and then when he had passed, he took his hand away and Moses caught a glimpse of his back side.

A spirit cannot do those kinds of things. A spirit has matter, but a very fine matter, so fine that the eye cannot see it, because it is like the wind, an essence, invisible unless God chooses to open your spiritual eyes to see a spirit.

Any way, you are right, God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ, the pre-incarnate Christ were both visiting Moses and it is not clear who was doing what from the scripture.

When did you ever talk face to face with your friend and have a dense cloud between you?

mmksparbud · Jul 27, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Here is a description of the pre-incarnate Jesus:
Exodus 24:10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

The pre-incarnate Jesus was only a spirit as the scripture says (in his clearness).

It was God the Father that with his body picked up Moses and put him in the cleft of a rock and then flew past him and as he passed he put his hand over his face and then when he had passed, he took his hand away and Moses caught a glimpse of his back side.

A spirit cannot do those kinds of things. A spirit has matter, but a very fine matter, so fine that the eye cannot see it, because it is like the wind, an essence, invisible unless God chooses to open your spiritual eyes to see a spirit.

Any way, you are right, God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ, the pre-incarnate Christ were both visiting Moses and it is not clear who was doing what from the scripture.

When did you ever talk face to face with your friend and have a dense cloud between you?

When it is the Most High God and He veils Himself for your sake so you do not die.

Exo 24:1 And he said unto Moses, Come up unto the LORD, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off.
Exo 24:2 And Moses alone shall come near the LORD: but they shall not come nigh; neither shall the people go up with him.

Exo 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.
Exo 24:17 And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.
Exo 24:18 And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.

Sorry, but they were not up close and personal, only Moses and there was a cloud.

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