"Nations rage and people plot in vain" ~ Psalm 2:1There is still evil down here.
People still have free will - but that doesn't mean that God is NOT ultimately in authority.
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"Nations rage and people plot in vain" ~ Psalm 2:1There is still evil down here.
Yours is a fake theology, when the Lord returns all evil will be gone."Nations rage and people plot in vain" ~ Psalm 2:1
People still have free will - but that doesn't mean that God is NOT ultimately in authority.
The fact that an explosion of the suns surface will cause all the things prophesied about the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, is amply proved by over 100 scriptures. Incl; 1 Thess 1:6-10, which does NOT describe Jesus' Return.The timeline of your story above has the fire judgment coming before His Second Coming.
Based on 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Peter 3:10-13, this cannot be correct.
Are you ignoring those passages to make your CME theory work?
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This is our situation now.He is our King - and we are His followers in His kingdom (spiritually). Whenever we act out of genuine love - we are also bringing light to His (spiritual) kingdom on earth.
Is this ALSO future (in your mind)?Yours is a fake theology, when the Lord returns all evil will be gone.
I guess you believe Jesus was mistaken then, when He said this?:Christ is glorified in Heaven, but not yet on earth.
1 Thess 1:6-10, which does NOT describe Jesus' Return.
2 Peter 3:11-13 is a description of the New Universe, after the Millennium.
The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
4th kingdom I believe was Rome. It seems there is a present and consummate reality of being in the kingdom of God. We are already in Christ and He presently reigns seated at the Father's right hand. Then at the resurrection is the new heaven and earth.Daniel received a vision that there would be 4 kings/kingdoms to arise out of the earth, but the saints would receive the kingdom. More specifically, it appears the saints receive the kingdom after the court sits and takes away the dominion of the little horn that uprooted 3 of the 10 horns of the 4th beast, blasphemed God, and persecuted the saints.
Daniel 7:17 ‘These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’
Daniel 7:26-27 But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away,
to be consumed and destroyed to the end. And the kingdom and the dominion
and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’
Jesus infers the righteous inherit the kingdom after He separates the righteous from the unrighteous.
Matthew 25:33-34 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world
Paul's use of a future tense "will bring" seems to indicate a future time when Paul will inherit the kingdom.
2 timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and will bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.
Paul states flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom and ties this to the resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:50-54 tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
Thus, it seems that the saints inherit the kingdom at the bodily resurrection, which would be around the time of the 4th kingdom.
Just posting the scriptures proves your case?2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
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and Revelation 19:11 do not mention fire.
Whats your point BaB?Where there is smoke, there is fire...
Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
Rev 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great harlot, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
Rev 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
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Whats your point BaB?
You have just made mine, showing that the destruction of the sinful city happens before the Return.
Obviously all of Revelation 18 occurs before the Return.
Daniel received a vision that there would be 4 kings/kingdoms to arise out of the earth, but the saints would receive the kingdom. More specifically, it appears the saints receive the kingdom after the court sits and takes away the dominion of the little horn that uprooted 3 of the 10 horns of the 4th beast, blasphemed God, and persecuted the saints.
Daniel 7:17 ‘These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’
Daniel 7:26-27 But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away,
to be consumed and destroyed to the end. And the kingdom and the dominion
and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’
Jesus infers the righteous inherit the kingdom after He separates the righteous from the unrighteous.
Matthew 25:33-34 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world
Paul's use of a future tense "will bring" seems to indicate a future time when Paul will inherit the kingdom.
2 timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and will bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.
Paul states flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom and ties this to the resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:50-54 tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
Thus, it seems that the saints inherit the kingdom at the bodily resurrection, which would be around the time of the 4th kingdom.
Claninja said:Daniel received a vision that there would be 4 kings/kingdoms to arise out of the earth, but the saints would receive the kingdom. More specifically, it appears the saints receive the kingdom after the court sits and takes away the dominion of the little horn that uprooted 3 of the 10 horns of the 4th beast, blasphemed God, and persecuted the saints.
Claninja said:Daniel 7:17 ‘These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’
Daniel 7:26-27 But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away,
to be consumed and destroyed to the end. And the kingdom and the dominion
and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’
Jesus infers the righteous inherit the kingdom after He separates the righteous from the unrighteous.
Matthew 25:33-34 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world
Paul's use of a future tense "will bring" seems to indicate a future time when Paul will inherit the kingdom.
2 timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and will bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.
Inherit the kingdom first in the New Birth followed by the Resurrection on the last day.
I just read these two articles this morning - and I believe the timing of this coincides with the Parable of the Tenants. I believe the timing was future to Paul - but past to us (the transcovenantal period). I really appreciate the language of these two explanations:
Quoting from linked article:
“Have you not read this Scripture: ‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; this was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’?” (vv. 10–11).- Mark 12:10–12Commenting on the parable of the tenants in Mark 12:1–12, one author notes how the sovereign providential rule of God is evident throughout the story. We see it operative at the parable’s beginning, when Jesus refers to the owner, who represents the Lord, building the vineyard, setting up a protective wall, and appointing tenant farmers. Similarly, God’s providential rule includes His establishing this reign in the creation of the universe and His calling of Israel in the exodus from Egypt to be His people.
Of course, the mismanagement of the vineyard on the part of the tenant farmers (the Jewish leaders) and their mistreatment of the owner’s emissaries (the prophets) and murder of the owner’s son (Christ) might raise questions about the extent of the Lord’s mastery. With such willful violation of His rule by the leaders of the old covenant community, could we really say that He was fully in control? The answer, provided in today’s passage, is a resounding yes.
Jesus quotes Psalm 118:22–23 in Mark 12:10–12 to show that despite appearances to the contrary, God was in control even of those who rejected His prophets and is in control of those who will kill His only begotten Son. It is the Lord’s plan that the stone be rejected so that He can make it the “cornerstone.” The term translated “cornerstone” refers to a capstone placed at the top of a corner where two walls come together. It is a piece of the building essential to its integrity that holds the entire structure together. Jesus is saying that though the Jewish leaders reject Him, that does not mean the end of the vineyard; instead, it is the occasion for faithful tenants to take the place of the faithless tenant farmers. A new structure is coming into place that has continuity with the old one—the vineyard remains, and it still has tenants and is protected by walls—but is also different in important ways—its leaders will include Gentiles (see v. 9), and Christ Himself will be known by all as its guardian and sustainer.
The parable of the tenants, then, points to the glory and power of God in orchestrating the rejection and exaltation of His Son and the continuation of His kingdom (“this was the Lord’s doing”). In this, it greatly encourages us when we see the church under attack from professed leaders who are really wolves in sheep’s clothing. John Calvin comments, “Whatever may be the contrivances of men, God has at the same time declared, that in setting up the kingdom of Christ, His power will be victorious.” ~ Ligonier Ministries
Quoting from another linked article:
Isaiah 5:1-7
Psalm 80:9, 12-16, 19-20
Philippians 4:6-9
Matthew 21:33-43
In today’s Gospel Jesus returns to the Old Testament symbol of the vineyard to teach about Israel, the Church, and the kingdom of God.
And the symbolism of today’s First Reading and Psalm is readily understood.
God is the owner and the house of Israel is the vineyard. A cherished vine, Israel was plucked from Egypt and transplanted in a fertile land specially spaded and prepared by God, hedged about by the city walls of Jerusalem, watched over by the towering Temple. But the vineyard produced no good grapes for the wine, a symbol for the holy lives God wanted for His people. So God allowed His vineyard to be overrun by foreign invaders, as Isaiah foresees in the First Reading.
Jesus picks up the story where Isaiah leaves off, even using Isaiah’s words to describe the vineyard’s wine press, hedge, and watchtower. Israel’s religious leaders, the tenants in His parable, have learned nothing from Isaiah or Israel’s past. Instead of producing good fruits, they’ve killed the owner’s servants, the prophets sent to gather the harvest of faithful souls.
In a dark foreshadowing of His own crucifixion outside Jerusalem, Jesus says the tenants’ final outrage will be to seize the owner’s son, and to kill him outside the vineyard walls.
For this, the vineyard, which Jesus calls the kingdom of God, will be taken away and given to new tenants – the leaders of the Church, who will produce its fruit.
We are each a vine in the Lord’s vineyard, grafted onto the true vine of Christ (see John 15:1-8), called to bear fruits of the righteousness in Him (see Philippians 1:11), and to be the “first fruits” of a new creation (see James 1:18). ~ Living on the Vine: Scott Hahn Reflects on the Twenty-Seventh Sunday in Ordinary Time | St. Paul Center
Matthew 21:43a is a clear reference to Judah; the Jewish people. Who remain in apostasy and rejection of Jesus today.I would agree. Jesus clearly states the kingdom would be given to the nation producing its fruit at the destruction of the wicked tenants.
Mathew 21:43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
I would argue this is a clear reference to Israel, as the Pharisees realize Jesus was talking about them
Matthew 21:43a is a clear reference to Judah; the Jewish people. Who remain in apostasy and rejection of Jesus today.
The people the Kingdom is given to are every faithful Christian; from every race, nation and language. Revelation 5:10
Yes; it happened in 70-135 AD and will again at the Sixth Seal.And what event was the vehicle by which this "transfer" of the kingdom took place?
According to Jesus it was "The Coming of the Lord of the Vineyard to destroy them"
Matthew 21:40-41
I expect He was correct.
4th kingdom I believe was Rome. It seems there is a present and consummate reality of being in the kingdom of God. We are already in Christ and He presently reigns seated at the Father's right hand. Then at the resurrection is the new heaven and earth.