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Before you said reject. Now you are singing a different tune. So which is it?
Same tune but a different note in the tune.
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Before you said reject. Now you are singing a different tune. So which is it?
Its only by the power of grace we do not sin. Any unbelievers so inclined have no power to stop sinning. What was your point?You miss the point. The point is that a believer who holds on to any grievous sin (that leads to spiritual death) is going to cast out of the Kingdom (Please read carefully Matthew 13:41-42).
The gospel has many facets ...Let's not forget what Jesus told Nichodemus.
Includes none of the above.
M-Bob
It's judgement time ... it's now or never ...IF it is as you aay, to unbelievers, then why would they come to Him saying "Lord, Lord"... why would they say they did works in His name... IF that verse is as you say... directed at non Christians?
And what is the will of the Father ?One is saved IF they do the will of the Father.
IF it is as you aay, to unbelievers, then why would they come to Him saying "Lord, Lord"... why would they say they did works in His name... IF that verse is as you say... directed at non Christians?
Matthew 7:21-23
One is saved IF they do the will of the Father.
How does one know if they are saved or delusional?
Romans 8:16
You know you are not deliusional when His Spirit testifies with your spirit that you are children of God....
How do uou know it is not delusional... when you have fruit of the Spirit:
Galatians 5:22-23
Yes, it's such a wonderful verse.
You know though, the verse says "will be saved" which is a future event, whereas you wrote the commonplace idea "saved" which is a past tense thing.
A Catholic friend has a saying "I'm saved, I'm being saved, and I will be saved .
This does fit perfectly with Paul's way of variously talking of more than one tense, past and future.
7 But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. 10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.
13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 3 NIV
So, we have Life, now, yet we also have to "run the race to the end".
24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. 25 Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. 27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
https://biblehub.com/esv/1_corinthians/9.htm
Wow, it's really striking that last sentence -- "I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified." !
That kinda puts a definite sense of responsibility (for our smaller part, to go with His bigger part) onto Romans chapter 8, that we walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh -- it involves our own willingness to choose to follow Him, and repent when we stumble. Even to this level: "I discipline my body and keep it under control"
Or as I sometimes think of it: that like a child I take His hand, and not refuse to move my legs, but toddle forward, with His hand guiding.
The will of the Father is covered quite simply.And what is the will of the Father ?
John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
IF it is as you aay, to unbelievers, then why would they come to Him saying "Lord, Lord"... why would they say they did works in His name... IF that verse is as you say... directed at non Christians?
Its better to take the entire Bible into context and look at it as a whole and take all of it to heart.I think that verse is in regards to people false prophets and false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Sid Roth, etc. These people probably believe they're serving the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. This is delusion. Does Benny Hinn cast out demons? Or, does he cast demons in?
No matter what you believe, it's good to take this verse to heart, because it will only make one desire to strive further.
God, ... have mercy upon me, a sinner ...
The verse is talking about people whom are trusting in their own works, and not the work that Jesus did on the cross. These people are not living in Christ, but in their own self righteous pride. So although they may profess to be Christians, they are not true Christians at heart, and do not know Christ.
And you are saying that it was because they did trust in the finished work of Christ.
John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
I said these people did NOT trust in the finished work of Jesus. They relied on their own works.
Sorry. I was busy at the time. That was a typo. I meant to include the word “not”.
Anyways, I fixed it when I was proof reading it a few minutes from now. But my point still stands. Matthew 7:23 does not say specifically that they did not trust in the finished work of Christ. You have to add those words in order for it to say that.
In fact, no verse in the Bible says for us to trust in the finished work of Christ alone. It is completely made up.
I think Ephesians 2: 8-9 makes the point quite obvious...we can do nothing to get saved aside from trusting in Jesus. If you think you can buy your way in, "work" your way in, or any sort of bargaining, it won't suffice. You must have faith and faith alone friend.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Yes, we are initially saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus is the gift of God. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son. But how many times are gifts received? Do you keep receiving the same gift over and over and over again? Or do you receive gifts one time? I say this because if a gift is received one time, then that means that Ephesians 2:8-9 is talking about a one time event (i.e. Initial Salvation).
Ephesians 2:1 says that Christ has quickened us. How many times do you think a believer is "quickened"? Surely it must be one time, right? So again, Ephesians 2 is talking about a one time event (i.e. Initial Salvation). Paul says to the Ephesians that Christ may dwell in their hearts by faith (Ephesians 3:17). How many times does that happen for a believer? How many times can Christ be invited to dwell in our hearts generally? Usually this is one time in most cases. So again, the context of Ephesians 2:8-9 is "Initial Salvation."
Ephesians 2:9 is also talking about "Man Directed Works Alone Salvationism" (Without God's grace through faith in Jesus) because it is referring to the kind of work that a person would boast in themselves in doing. Is that what you think I believe? That I boast in my own good works and seek the attention of men?
Far from it.
I believe God does the good work through the believer (Philippians 2:12) (John 15:5). This means that I believe in boasting in God for any good work He does through my life. For why else do you think the 24 elders cast down their crowns before Jesus? It's because it was the Lord who ultimately did the good work through them (under their cooperation and surrender to the Lord of course).
Ephesians 2:10 switches gears and talks about a different kind of work (i.e. God directed works done through the believer or Sanctification). For verse 10 mentions that these are the kind of works that a believer is created to do in Christ Jesus since the foundation of the world. These are the kind of works that follow God's saving grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
In other words, Paul is sort of saying,
"Do not put the cart before the horse."
I say this because Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 that God has chosen us to salvation by two things:
#1. Belief of the Truth (Jesus is the Truth - John 14:6).
#2. Sanctification (Holy Living via the Spirit - 1 Thessalonians 4:3).
Paul says that if one lives after the flesh (sin), they will die, but if they put to death the deeds of the body (sin), they will live (Romans 8:13).
Paul says we can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16).
Paul says if any man does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed. Jesus defines loving Him as keeping His commandments.