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I'm not good at "fasting". I have attempted it, but it's as if i'm attempting it in my "own" strength, and it just falls flat.

I would appreciate any insights into fasting and the different ways of fasting.

Thank you for any input.
 
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The Eastern Orthodox general fasting practice is to fast from animal products (meat and dairy) on Wednesdays (the day that Judas planned his betrayal) and Fridays (in honor of the crucifixion) pretty much year round. Then there are the four major fasts, Lent, Apostles (the last few days of June), Dormition of Mary (the first two weeks of August), and Nativity (Nov 15th to Dec 24 for 40 days, although fish is permitted). There are some variations in what you can eat, and other individual days throughout the year.

We also are advised to fast from secular activities during this time such as theater or TV. It is also a practice for married couples to abstain from each other during a fast.

More importantly, there are additional services to attend and personal prayer should increase as well.

However, Orthodox do consult their priest if they need exceptions to this. So for example, pregnant or new mothers are advised NOT to fast from foods, e.g. "What do you mean I can't have pickles and ice cream!?!" Personally, I am diabetic so I cannot do a full fast anymore.

There is also fasting from all food prior to taking communion or for special feasts.

Fasting - OrthodoxWiki
 
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(If i posted this in the wrong place, please move it, mods. i wasn't sure where to post it. Thanks.)

I'm not good at "fasting". I have attempted it, but it's as if i'm attempting it in my "own" strength, and it just falls flat.

I would appreciate any insights into fasting and the different ways of fasting.

Thank you for any input.
Fasting may never become 'easy' because it's such a powerful tool.
"WHEN you fast" were the words He used iirc lol.

Fasting changed my life about 30 years ago, yet over the years I failed to
return to it even in times of darkness.
Recently I felt led to fast (so it was out of obedience) and the difference was
like night and day, so much that I didn't want to eat because I didn't want to
lose "that presence" that was persistent.

Know how when you worship and sing out to God and He takes over and
everything is beautiful and amazing?
It's like that! But like the love that never ends. It just goes on and on my friend.

So.. push through girl!

Just do it for one meal .. or two..
It's powerful, regardless!
Better yet, do it as led by the Spirit of God.
Because when you fast, your hearing improves!
imo

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The Eastern Orthodox general fasting practice is to fast from animal products (meat and dairy) on Wednesdays (the day that Judas planned his betrayal) and Fridays (in honor of the crucifixion) pretty much year round. Then there are the four major fasts, Lent, Apostles (the last few days of June), Dormition of Mary (the first two weeks of August), and Nativity (Nov 15th to Dec 24 for 40 days, although fish is permitted). There are some variations in what you can eat, and other individual days throughout the year.

We also are advised to fast from secular activities during this time such as theater or TV. It is also a practice for married couples to abstain from each other during a fast.

More importantly, there are additional services to attend and personal prayer should increase as well.

However, Orthodox do consult their priest if they need exceptions to this. So for example, pregnant or new mothers are advised NOT to fast from foods, e.g. "What do you mean I can't have pickles and ice cream!?!" Personally, I am diabetic so I cannot do a full fast anymore.

There is also fasting from all food prior to taking communion or for special feasts.

Fasting - OrthodoxWiki

Thank you. This is very helpful, especially about the secular activities, etc. :)
 
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The other part to know is that all fasts end with the feast and the fast is lifted. Do you know how good lamb, butter and ice cream tastes after not eating meat for 8 weeks?

During the fast we eat to live, during the feast we live to eat.
 
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(If i posted this in the wrong place, please move it, mods. i wasn't sure where to post it. Thanks.)

I'm not good at "fasting". I have attempted it, but it's as if i'm attempting it in my "own" strength, and it just falls flat.

I would appreciate any insights into fasting and the different ways of fasting.

Thank you for any input.

I am an experienced faster, and would like to help you.

First, why do you want to fast?
 
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In the Coptic Orthodox tradition, it is probably easier to say when we are not fasting. We do not fast at all during the seven weeks between Easter and Pentecost. This period, known as "the Holy Fifty", is reserved for joyful observance of the Resurrection. Fasting is also forbidden on Sundays, obviously, as that is when we celebrate the liturgy, though the fast to prepare for liturgy is to be from midnight or for nine hours, whichever is longer.

The fasts that we observe are mostly similar as the Eastern Orthodox fasts already posted by our friend GreekOrthodox, though with a few differences specific to Egyptian practice:

  • The Nativity Fast: For 40 days leading up to the Nativity of Jesus Christ, our Lord, God, and Savior (ending January 7th/Kiahk 27 on the Coptic calendar). Before this, there is an additional three days of fasting to commemorate the miracle of St. Simon the Tanner moving Mt. Mokattam in the 10th century to spare the Christians of Egypt from destruction at the orders of the Caliph. (Story here)
  • The Fast of the Ninevites: Also called "Jonah's Fast", as it recalls Jonah's call to the people of Nineveh that they repent. It is three days, beginning on the Monday two weeks before the start of Great Lent. This is actually borrowed into the Egyptian Church from the Syrians (Syriac Orthodox) of Mesopotamia, as it was introduced into Egyptian practice by one of the ethnically Syrian Popes of the Coptic Orthodox Church (HH Pope Abraam, 10th century).
  • Great Lent: For us, this is 55 days, not the 40 that is known in Western Christianity. It includes a preparatory week which helps the people get ready for the fast 'proper', similar to how the Eastern Orthodox have cheesefare week in preparation for their Great Lent (though we do not have that; cheesefare, as I understand it, is when people of Chalcedonian Eastern Christian tradition -- EO and Eastern Catholics -- will observe a week of eating their remaining dairy products in preparation for Great Lent, when that stuff is not allowed).
  • Holy Week/Pascha: The week preceding Easter (Pascha). This is a period of intense fasting, as many of the services we hold during this week are incredibly long -- e.g., on Good Friday, we do all seven hours of the Agpeya at their appropriate times (circa 7 am for Prime to 6 pm for Compline), and then meet again at 11 pm for the Apocalypse Night (Bright Saturday), which doesn't end until around 6 am. ("Apocalypse" here refers to the Apocalypse of St. John, a.k.a. Revelation, which is read allowed in its entirety with appropriate responses unique to this service.)
  • The Fast of the Apostles: This is the most variable fast in terms of its length, as it is tied to the calculation of the date of Pascha/Easter. It can be as many as 49 or as few as 15 days. It begins on the Monday following the Sunday of Pentecost, and extends to the Feast day of Sts. Peter and Paul (July 12/Epip 5). It recalls the struggles of the Apostles to preach Christianity throughout the world. Fish is permitted during this fast.
  • St. Mary's Fast (the Fast of the Dormition of the Theotokos): Fifteen days from August 7 (Mesori 1) to August 22 (Mesori 16).
  • The yearly Wednesday/Friday fasts (established in the Didache, 1st century): Except for the Holy Fifty days mentioned earlier and any day where a major feast might fall, this is for the entire liturgical year.
  • The Paramon Fasts: The days preceding the feasts of the Nativity and of the Theophany are fasting days.

Our fasts are 100% vegan (no animal products), with the exception of The Fast of the Apostles and I think Advent (? not sure on this, because I've actually not had the opportunity to attend liturgy at this time of the year due to conflicting obligations with non-Orthodox family living in other parts of the country), which allow fish as a concession to those who need it in order to participate in the fasts at all, like the elderly and others who normally wouldn't fast. (I don't really like fish, so I never pay attention to this anyway, but it's important when considering these sorts of things to remember that the majority of the Church remains in Egypt, where fish is the primary source of affordable meat, and hence probably the best source of certain proteins and vitamins most people outside of the cities have, and of course most of the Church's population is poor farmers and fishermen and the like in Upper Egypt/the Sa'id, so it is better that people be allowed to eat fish during certain periods when that is most of what is available then to forbid it and have them just not fast because it's an undue hardship, rather than the blessing and joy that it is designed to be.)

I can't really say that "during the feasts we live to eat", as our Greek Orthodox friend has, but I can say that the Paschal feast at my old parish is the single largest collection of meat I have ever seen anywhere in my entire life, including at any deli or steakhouse I've ever been to. :D So it's certainly there if you want it, though in my personal experience my appetite for lamb kebab is not really at its peak at 1 am! :p
 
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The Mosaic Law ordered the Jews to “afflict [their] souls,” that is, to fast, once a year on Atonement Day. (Leviticus 16:29-31; Psalm 35:13) This was the only fasting that Jehovah ever commanded his people to do. Jews who lived under the Mosaic Law would have obeyed that command. However, Christians are not required to observe the Mosaic Law.-Romans 10:4; Colossians 2:14.

Although Jesus did fast as the Law required, he was not known for this practice. He told his disciples how they were to act if they chose to fast, but he never commanded that they fast. (Matthew 6:16-18; 9:14) However, Jesus did say that his disciples would fast after his death. (Matthew 9:15) This was not a command. Jesus’ words simply suggest that at his death his disciples would feel deep sorrow and would lose the desire to eat.

These examples show that it is not the act of fasting in itself that pleases God. However, many sincere servants of God who did fast met with divine approval. (Acts 13:2, 3; 14:23) Christians, then, are under no obligation to fast. Yet, a person who chooses to do so should be alert to certain dangers.

One pitfall to avoid regarding fasting is self-righteousness. The Bible warns against adopting “mock humility.” (Colossians 2:20-23) Jesus’ illustration of the proud Pharisee who felt morally superior to others because of his regular fasting leaves no doubt that God rejects such an attitude.-Luke 18:9-14.

It would also be a mistake to publicize the fact that you fast or to fast because another person tells you to do so. According to Matthew 6:16-18, Jesus counseled that fasting should be a private matter, between you and God, and that you should not announce it to others.

One should never think that fasting somehow compensates for sinning. To be acceptable to God, a fast must be accompanied by obedience to his laws. (Isaiah 58:3-7) Heartfelt repentance, not the act of fasting itself, is what leads to the forgiveness of sins. (Joel 2:12, 13) The Bible emphasizes that we receive forgiveness by Jehovah’s undeserved kindness expressed through the sacrifice of Christ. It is impossible to earn forgiveness through any works, including fasting.-Romans 3:24, 27, 28; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8, 9.

Fasting is not obligatory; nor is it wrong. It may be beneficial in some circumstances if the dangers mentioned above are avoided. Fasting, however, is not the focus of acceptable worship. Jehovah is “the happy God,” and he wants his servants to be happy. (1 Timothy 1:11) His own Word says: “There is nothing better for them than…that every man should eat and indeed drink and see good for all his hard work. It is the gift of God.”-Ecclesiastes 3:12, 13.
 
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I am an experienced faster, and would like to help you.

First, why do you want to fast?

Because i never have....it just basically fizzled out when i tried.

I want to fast to pour out myself before God in a way i never have, and that is a disciplined and conscious "fasting" from what i so mindlessly indulge in. I want to do this to "honor God". It's like putting the "world" second, AFTER Him, in a concrete and physical way.

i can't explain it any better than that.
 
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In the Coptic Orthodox tradition, it is probably easier to say when we are not fasting. We do not fast at all during the seven weeks between Easter and Pentecost. This period, known as "the Holy Fifty", is reserved for joyful observance of the Resurrection. Fasting is also forbidden on Sundays, obviously, as that is when we celebrate the liturgy, though the fast to prepare for liturgy is to be from midnight or for nine hours, whichever is longer.

The fasts that we observe are mostly similar as the Eastern Orthodox fasts already posted by our friend GreekOrthodox, though with a few differences specific to Egyptian practice:

  • The Nativity Fast: For 40 days leading up to the Nativity of Jesus Christ, our Lord, God, and Savior (ending January 7th/Kiahk 27 on the Coptic calendar). Before this, there is an additional three days of fasting to commemorate the miracle of St. Simon the Tanner moving Mt. Mokattam in the 10th century to spare the Christians of Egypt from destruction at the orders of the Caliph. (Story here)
  • The Fast of the Ninevites: Also called "Jonah's Fast", as it recalls Jonah's call to the people of Nineveh that they repent. It is three days, beginning on the Monday two weeks before the start of Great Lent. This is actually borrowed into the Egyptian Church from the Syrians (Syriac Orthodox) of Mesopotamia, as it was introduced into Egyptian practice by one of the ethnically Syrian Popes of the Coptic Orthodox Church (HH Pope Abraam, 10th century).
  • Great Lent: For us, this is 55 days, not the 40 that is known in Western Christianity. It includes a preparatory week which helps the people get ready for the fast 'proper', similar to how the Eastern Orthodox have cheesefare week in preparation for their Great Lent (though we do not have that; cheesefare, as I understand it, is when people of Chalcedonian Eastern Christian tradition -- EO and Eastern Catholics -- will observe a week of eating their remaining dairy products in preparation for Great Lent, when that stuff is not allowed).
  • Holy Week/Pascha: The week preceding Easter (Pascha). This is a period of intense fasting, as many of the services we hold during this week are incredibly long -- e.g., on Good Friday, we do all seven hours of the Agpeya at their appropriate times (circa 7 am for Prime to 6 pm for Compline), and then meet again at 11 pm for the Apocalypse Night (Bright Saturday), which doesn't end until around 6 am. ("Apocalypse" here refers to the Apocalypse of St. John, a.k.a. Revelation, which is read allowed in its entirety with appropriate responses unique to this service.)
  • The Fast of the Apostles: This is the most variable fast in terms of its length, as it is tied to the calculation of the date of Pascha/Easter. It can be as many as 49 or as few as 15 days. It begins on the Monday following the Sunday of Pentecost, and extends to the Feast day of Sts. Peter and Paul (July 12/Epip 5). It recalls the struggles of the Apostles to preach Christianity throughout the world. Fish is permitted during this fast.
  • St. Mary's Fast (the Fast of the Dormition of the Theotokos): Fifteen days from August 7 (Mesori 1) to August 22 (Mesori 16).
  • The yearly Wednesday/Friday fasts (established in the Didache, 1st century): Except for the Holy Fifty days mentioned earlier and any day where a major feast might fall, this is for the entire liturgical year.
  • The Paramon Fasts: The days preceding the feasts of the Nativity and of the Theophany are fasting days.

Our fasts are 100% vegan (no animal products), with the exception of The Fast of the Apostles and I think Advent (? not sure on this, because I've actually not had the opportunity to attend liturgy at this time of the year due to conflicting obligations with non-Orthodox family living in other parts of the country), which allow fish as a concession to those who need it in order to participate in the fasts at all, like the elderly and others who normally wouldn't fast. (I don't really like fish, so I never pay attention to this anyway, but it's important when considering these sorts of things to remember that the majority of the Church remains in Egypt, where fish is the primary source of affordable meat, and hence probably the best source of certain proteins and vitamins most people outside of the cities have, and of course most of the Church's population is poor farmers and fishermen and the like in Upper Egypt/the Sa'id, so it is better that people be allowed to eat fish during certain periods when that is most of what is available then to forbid it and have them just not fast because it's an undue hardship, rather than the blessing and joy that it is designed to be.)

I can't really say that "during the feasts we live to eat", as our Greek Orthodox friend has, but I can say that the Paschal feast at my old parish is the single largest collection of meat I have ever seen anywhere in my entire life, including at any deli or steakhouse I've ever been to. :D So it's certainly there if you want it, though in my personal experience my appetite for lamb kebab is not really at its peak at 1 am! :p

Thank you, this is very informative. :)
 
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(If i posted this in the wrong place, please move it, mods. i wasn't sure where to post it. Thanks.)

I'm not good at "fasting". I have attempted it, but it's as if i'm attempting it in my "own" strength, and it just falls flat.

I would appreciate any insights into fasting and the different ways of fasting.

Thank you for any input.
It is fasting and pray. You have to fill your time with doing something positive and not just trying to keep from doing something.
 
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The Mosaic Law ordered the Jews to “afflict [their] souls,” that is, to fast, once a year on Atonement Day. (Leviticus 16:29-31; Psalm 35:13) This was the only fasting that Jehovah ever commanded his people to do. Jews who lived under the Mosaic Law would have obeyed that command. However, Christians are not required to observe the Mosaic Law.-Romans 10:4; Colossians 2:14.

Although Jesus did fast as the Law required, he was not known for this practice. He told his disciples how they were to act if they chose to fast, but he never commanded that they fast. (Matthew 6:16-18; 9:14) However, Jesus did say that his disciples would fast after his death. (Matthew 9:15) This was not a command. Jesus’ words simply suggest that at his death his disciples would feel deep sorrow and would lose the desire to eat.

These examples show that it is not the act of fasting in itself that pleases God. However, many sincere servants of God who did fast met with divine approval. (Acts 13:2, 3; 14:23) Christians, then, are under no obligation to fast. Yet, a person who chooses to do so should be alert to certain dangers.

One pitfall to avoid regarding fasting is self-righteousness. The Bible warns against adopting “mock humility.” (Colossians 2:20-23) Jesus’ illustration of the proud Pharisee who felt morally superior to others because of his regular fasting leaves no doubt that God rejects such an attitude.-Luke 18:9-14.

It would also be a mistake to publicize the fact that you fast or to fast because another person tells you to do so. According to Matthew 6:16-18, Jesus counseled that fasting should be a private matter, between you and God, and that you should not announce it to others.

One should never think that fasting somehow compensates for sinning. To be acceptable to God, a fast must be accompanied by obedience to his laws. (Isaiah 58:3-7) Heartfelt repentance, not the act of fasting itself, is what leads to the forgiveness of sins. (Joel 2:12, 13) The Bible emphasizes that we receive forgiveness by Jehovah’s undeserved kindness expressed through the sacrifice of Christ. It is impossible to earn forgiveness through any works, including fasting.-Romans 3:24, 27, 28; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8, 9.

Fasting is not obligatory; nor is it wrong. It may be beneficial in some circumstances if the dangers mentioned above are avoided. Fasting, however, is not the focus of acceptable worship. Jehovah is “the happy God,” and he wants his servants to be happy. (1 Timothy 1:11) His own Word says: “There is nothing better for them than…that every man should eat and indeed drink and see good for all his hard work. It is the gift of God.”-Ecclesiastes 3:12, 13.

Thank you. I understand what you mean by self-righteousness and mock humility, and that it would be the equivalent to God seeing us do something, but our hearts being far from Him.

I have a lot to think and pray about.
 
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It is fasting and pray. You have to fill your time with doing something positive and not just trying to keep from doing something.

Thank you. That's a good point, especially about the praying. i wouldn't want to obsess or worry about it.
 
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Fasting may never become 'easy' because it's such a powerful tool.
"WHEN you fast" were the words He used iirc lol.

Fasting changed my life about 30 years ago, yet over the years I failed to
return to it even in times of darkness.
Recently I felt led to fast (so it was out of obedience) and the difference was
like night and day, so much that I didn't want to eat because I didn't want to
lose "that presence" that was persistent.

Know how when you worship and sing out to God and He takes over and
everything is beautiful and amazing?
It's like that! But like the love that never ends. It just goes on and on my friend.

So.. push through girl!

Just do it for one meal .. or two..
It's powerful, regardless!
Better yet, do it as led by the Spirit of God.
Because when you fast, your hearing improves!
imo

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Thank you. That's lovely.....and i appreciate the suggestion to fast for one meal or two. I will pray about God's leading on this.
 
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I don't think it is scriptural, but I kinda look at fasting as giving up anything that takes up too much of my time and spending that time with God. The one time I did this I gave up some of my internet activities. Do I sound ridiculous?!
 
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Because i never have....it just basically fizzled out when i tried.

I want to fast to pour out myself before God in a way i never have, and that is a disciplined and conscious "fasting" from what i so mindlessly indulge in. I want to do this to "honor God". It's like putting the "world" second, AFTER Him, in a concrete and physical way.

i can't explain it any better than that.

Why were you unsuccessful? "Fizzled out" is pretty vague. :scratch:

Fasting is a very physical process. So much so that it's usually very difficult to stay in a spiritual state of mind while fasting, and as a beginner I don't think one should even try, unless your purpose is to "afflict your soul". Prayer, study, and meditation are often suggested during the fast, but this too is a mistake. You will have your hands full dealing with the physical and mental confusion you will experience while fasting.

Fasting is used to "free oneself from the cares of the world and to draw closer to God", and there is no greater tool available to you to accomplish this. But first you must understand what a fast is, how to conduct it, what happens during a fast, and what are the spiritual results.
 
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Why were you unsuccessful? "Fizzled out" is pretty vague. :scratch:

Fasting is a very physical process. So much so that it's usually very difficult to stay in a spiritual state of mind while fasting, and as a beginner I don't think one should even try, unless your purpose is to "afflict your soul". Prayer, study, and meditation are often suggested during the fast, but this too is a mistake. You will have your hands full dealing with the physical and mental confusion you will experience while fasting.

Fasting is used to "free oneself from the cares of the world and to draw closer to God", and there is no greater tool available to you to accomplish this. But first you must understand what a fast is, how to conduct it, what happens during a fast, and what are the spiritual results.
"free oneself from the cares of the world and to draw closer to God"

THIS is why.
 
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