When do the saints inherit the kingdom?

We are presently in the Kingdom, but only the born again can see it.

“Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”” John 3:3 (NASB95)

On the last day the restoration of Israel (resurrection of believers) happens. And Jesus inherits his own kingdom in the New Heavens and Earth.

Jesus now sits on David's Throne since his resurrection/ascension Acts 2:29–33. This is the "kingdom" symbolised by the Jewish "Millennial Kingdom" Revelation 20:2 that Jesus said was "at hand" Matthew 3:2, "within you" Luke 17:21, "not of this world" John 18:36 and "comes without observation" Luke 17:20, being spiritual in nature.

And one must be born again to see it John 3:3. It is the kingdom many still look for physically in Premillennialism and Dispensationalism even though it has been here unnoticed and in heaven since Pentecost 33 AD. Where Jesus remains on David's Throne/God's Throne 1 Chronicles 29:23 until the resurrection of the dead at the end of the world 1 Corinthians 15:21–26.

““To him who overcomes will I grant to sit with Me on My throne [future], as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne [presently in heaven]. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”” (Revelation 3:21–22)

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Matthew 19:28)

“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated on it. From His face the earth and the heavens fled away, and no place was found for them.” (Revelation 20:11)

““When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.” (Matthew 25:31)

“The victor: I will give him the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I also won the victory and sat down with My Father on His throne.” Revelation 3:21 (HCSB)

Kingdom of God in time and later in eternity

We are its true in the kingdom of God in the Spirit. But we have not yet inherited the earth, which comes later. And that is what the end result is there in Daniel.
Just keep reading further, the angel gives more detail. V26 and 27 are still future, starting in v24.

Obviously all dominions do not serve and obey Him yet, they are resisting God still. Just look at all the evil and ungodliness on this earth right now.
v21 -22 is the end, a very short synopsis. v23 and onwards explain in detail what has happened in v21-v22. Much of prophecy is written in that way, not entirely linear, especially noticeable in revelation.

Daniel 7
21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

23 “Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

28 “This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.”

claninja said:

Thus, it seems that the saints inherit the kingdom at the bodily resurrection, which would be around the time of the 4th kingdom.

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Jesus (and His saints) have dominion now (I believe) - but the process is an ongoing one that will last until the final judgement day.

claninja said:

My point only being that in Daniel 7 the son of man inherits the kingdom when he ascends to the Father (verses 13-14) and the saints inherit the kingdom when the court sits in judgment and dominion is taken away from the little horn (verses 26-27).

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I haven't come to any conclusion as of yet - but I absolutely agree with you about when Jesus inherited the kingdom....and I think the period between His ascension and the destruction of the second Temple is when He was instructed to "sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." (Luke 20:43; Psalm 110:1) . I'm leaning towards believing that it was at the destruction of the second Temple (in 70 AD) when Jesus was then seated on the throne of David - and the saints were then avenged for and the "trial was over". The judgement was made (in that "trial"). I'd like to get this book - because I appreciate how the author sets this up as a court case:

claninja said:

According to the NT, the son of man inherits the kingdom at his ascension (Luke 19:12), while the righteous inherit the kingdom after they are separated from the unrighteous (matthew 25:33-34).

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I can certainly be wrong - but I think the saints, the prophets and those that were killed because of their testimony of Christ (because of their exclusive part they played - by bringing their testimony and prophecy to the world) are set apart from the rest of us. It's their testimony (as I understand it) that's FINALLY given credibility because of what Jesus had accomplished (and proven).

claninja said:

Thus, I would argue that by Christ ascending to the Father to receive His inheritance and send the Spirit, He establishes His kingdom. So, we are presently co workers in His kingdom, we are presently a royal priest hood in His kingdom, we presently enjoy peace, righteousness, and joy through the Holy Spirit in His kingdom, and we have been given the spirit as a guarantee of our inheritance in His kingdom. And by our resurrection and ascension to the Father, we are brought safely into the heavenly kingdom.

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I agree.

claninja said:

I would argue there are, today, saints all over the world, in every dominion, in all positions of authority worshiping the one true God. Paul confirms the nations were already glorifying God in the 1st century because of Christ's work.

Romans 15:8-9 For I tell you that Christ became a servant to the circumcised to show God’s truthfulness, in order to confirm the promises given to the patriarchs, and in order that the nations might glorify God for his mercy

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To me all means every single creature, not just some of them. We wont see that till the final judgement. Recall scripture says every knee shall bend, but every knee is not bending yet and declaring Christ as Lord.

Romans 14:10-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

Jesus also said this, and it has not happened yet.
Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.

Right now the meek do not rule over the earth. And evil exists not yet bound in hell. The devil and demons are free to roam the earth.

The Redemption of the Nazarenes:

Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from the Lord, a sweeping whirlwind, coming down onto the heads of the wicked. The Lord’s anger will not be turned aside, it will accomplish His purposes.

In days to come, you will understand. Deut. 29:4, Isaiah 35:5, Isaiah 48:6-8

Jeremiah 31:1-40 At that time, I shall be the God of all the families of Israel and they will be My people, a people that have escaped the sword and found favour in the wilderness. From afar God will appear to His people. 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Revelation 14:1
He loves and cares for them and will build them up again, for a Day will come when the watchmen cry out on the hills of Ephraim: Come, let us go up Zion, unto the Lord our God. Once again, they will be happy and the Land will be fruitful. They will worship God in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 20:34-36

The Lord says: be joyful for Jacob’s sake, sing praises and say- God has saved His people, He has preserved a remnant of Israel. See how He brings them from all parts of the earth, among them the blind and the lame, women and children. A vast company, they come with weeping and prayer, God will comfort and escort them. He will lead them by streams of water, on smooth paths, for He is the Father to Israel and Ephraim is His eldest son. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 62:10-12

Listen to the Word of the Lord, you nations, make it known to people far away. He who scattered Israel, will gather them again and will watch over them as a shepherd watches over his flock. For God has redeemed Jacob [now every true Christian] and delivered them from their enemies. His righteous people will come with great joy into a Land of plenty and peace. Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:14-15,

Rachel weeps for her children. [Rachel is the mother of Jacob/ Israel] Shed no more tears, for they will leave the nations and return to their own Land. God has disciplined Ephraim, like an unruly bull calf. After Ephraim strayed, he repented and now in shame and remorse; reproaches himself for the sins of his youth. God says: Ephraim is still My dear son, in whom I delight and I still remember him and have compassion for him. Hosea 11:8-9 Set up signs to mark your way, the path for your return. [The dolmens and cairns across Europe] Come back virgin Israel to your towns. How long will you wander, My wayward child? Deut. 4:26, Isaiah 63:17-19, Ezekiel 4:4-6, John 7:35

This will happen: a woman will protect a man. Judges 5:7 – a precedent?

The Lord says: When I bring My people back from exile, from all parts of the world, they will live in all the Land and be satisfied. Once more will these words be heard in the Land; God bless you, the home of righteousness, the holy mountain. Ezekiel 39:27

The days are coming, says the Lord, when I will plant Israel and Judah then increase their people and livestock. In the past My intent was to uproot and inflict disaster upon them, now I shall watch over them, to build and plant. Micah 7:11-12, Ezekiel 36:8

It will no longer be said that children will suffer for their parents sins. Only those who sin will be punished for it. Ezekiel 18:20

The days are coming when I shall establish a new covenant with Israel and Judah. It will not be like the one that I made with their forefathers, when I took them out of Egypt, that covenant they broke, though I was patient with them. This will be the new Covenant that I will make with the whole House of Israel, in the latter days; I shall set My Law within them, in their hearts, all of them will know and obey Me. I will forgive and forget their wrongdoing. Ezekiel 37:26, Hebrews 8:6-12

The Lord says: As the sun and stars are set in their courses, as the wind and the sea roars- only if this fixed order changes, only then: could Israel ever cease to be a nation before Me. Micah 7:19-20, Isaiah 14:1-2, Hosea 2:18-23

The days are coming when Jerusalem will be rebuilt in My honour. It will be holy to Me, never again to be demolished. Isaiah 58:12, Micah 7:11, Jeremiah 30:18 Ref: REB. Verses abridged.



‘A scorching wind, a sweeping whirlwind that will destroy the wicked’ - This is the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal of Revelation 6:12-17 and Isaiah 30:26a – a massive sunstrike that will affect all the world. Malachi 4:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7

‘God will save His people. At that time…a people will escape the Sword’ – The Lord’s righteous people will be protected on that Day. Isaiah 30:26b, Joel 2:32, Psalms 23:4

‘The Redemption of the Nazarenes’– In Jeremiah 31:6, the word translated ‘watchmen’ is ‘nazar’, meaning to set apart, to consecrate and dedicate for sacred purposes. [ref: Strongs H5144] It is the root word for Nazareth and disciples of Jesus were and still can be, known as Nazarenes. Acts 24:5 So it will be all the righteous Christian believers who will gather and go to live in the Promised Land. Colossians 1:9-20, Psalms 37:29

‘He who scattered Israel, will gather them again. His righteous people, will leave the nations and come, with great joy into a Land of plenty and peace. They will worship their God in Jerusalem’. – This is the great promise of the redemption of all God’s people, that is; all true believing Christians, who will come to live in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in peace and prosperity. They will build the 3rd Temple and worship God similar to the ancient days. Zechariah 6:15, Ezekiel 40 to 48. God made unconditional promises to the Patriarchs and their descendants remain mostly scattered around the world. Amos 9:9, Ezekiel 34:5+11-16.

They are now ‘a vast company’, who now constitute a high proportion of the population in the Western/Christian nations. Their right to ownership of the holy Land will be proven when the title deed in Jeremiah 32:14 is found. But we are told very clearly in the Bible: those with true faith will share the Blessings promised to Abraham. Galatians 3:6-9 & 26-29, Isaiah 56:1-8, John 10:16

‘It will no longer be said: the children will suffer for their parents sins’. - The sins of the forefathers are paid for by our long exile among the nations. Isaiah 27:7-9, Isaiah 40:1-2

‘the Holy mountain’ – the Temple mount. The 3rd Temple will be built and thank offerings made in it, before the Return of Jesus. Ezekiel chapters 40-48, Zechariah 8:9


The great end times story:

This prophecy from the book of the prophet Jeremiah, tells the story of how God will punish the unrighteous by a fire judgement, then how His righteous people will go to live in all of the holy Land. All who by faith, that believe in God and Jesus will receive salvation. John 3:16-18

He will make a new covenant with them, in order for His people: Nazarene Christians, from every race and language, to fulfil their destiny to be “a light to the nations”, and to spread the gospel of the coming Kingdom of God. This will be carried out by the 144,000 selected in Jerusalem. Revelation 14:1-7 The precedent to this is in Luke 10:1-20. Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 66:19

God’s people will live in peace and prosperity, in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of that area promised to Abraham so long ago. Genesis 15:18, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Joel 2:23-27

When they are settled and prosperous, the Lord will motivate a Northern confederation to come and attack Beulah, Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 39:1-2. They will be totally wiped out by the Lord, Ezekiel 38:21-22, Ezekiel 39:3-5, Joel 2:20. This is in order to display His glory and power to all the nations. Ezekiel 38:23, Ezekiel 39:21

Meanwhile, the rest of the world will slowly recover from the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Day of the Lord’s wrath and they will form a One World Government, initially controlled by ten Presidents, but another will rise to take dictatorial powers. He will make a seven year peace treaty with Beulah, that not all the people agree with. Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:32 This marks the commencement of the final seven years of this age. At the middle of this time, the World Dictator takes over Beulah, Zech. 14:1-2, 2 Thessalonians 2:4, and sits in the Temple declaring himself to be god. Daniel 11:31 This triggers the 3½ year Great Tribulation; the Trumpet and Bowl judgements.
Those Christians who refused any dealings with the ‘beast’, as in Revelation 13:1-5, are taken to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14 1260 days later, will come the culmination of this age – the physical Return of Jesus, Zechariah 14:6-11, Rev. 19:11-21. He will destroy the armies mustered for battle in Armageddon. Revelation 16:16, Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-5 Then, He will reign for 1000 years.
Great will be that time!

keras said:

The great end times story:

This prophecy from the book of the prophet Jeremiah, tells the story of how God will punish the unrighteous by a fire judgement, then how His righteous people will go to live in all of the holy Land. All who by faith, that believe in God and Jesus will receive salvation. John 3:16-18

He will make a new covenant with them, in order for His people: Nazarene Christians, from every race and language, to fulfil their destiny to be “a light to the nations”, and to spread the gospel of the coming Kingdom of God. This will be carried out by the 144,000 selected in Jerusalem. Revelation 14:1-7 The precedent to this is in Luke 10:1-20. Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 66:19

God’s people will live in peace and prosperity, in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of that area promised to Abraham so long ago. Genesis 15:18, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Joel 2:23-27

When they are settled and prosperous, the Lord will motivate a Northern confederation to come and attack Beulah, Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 39:1-2. They will be totally wiped out by the Lord, Ezekiel 38:21-22, Ezekiel 39:3-5, Joel 2:20. This is in order to display His glory and power to all the nations. Ezekiel 38:23, Ezekiel 39:21

Meanwhile, the rest of the world will slowly recover from the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Day of the Lord’s wrath and they will form a One World Government, initially controlled by ten Presidents, but another will rise to take dictatorial powers. He will make a seven year peace treaty with Beulah, that not all the people agree with. Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:32 This marks the commencement of the final seven years of this age. At the middle of this time, the World Dictator takes over Beulah, Zech. 14:1-2, 2 Thessalonians 2:4, and sits in the Temple declaring himself to be god. Daniel 11:31 This triggers the 3½ year Great Tribulation; the Trumpet and Bowl judgements.
Those Christians who refused any dealings with the ‘beast’, as in Revelation 13:1-5, are taken to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14 1260 days later, will come the culmination of this age – the physical Return of Jesus, Zechariah 14:6-11, Rev. 19:11-21. He will destroy the armies mustered for battle in Armageddon. Revelation 16:16, Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-5 Then, He will reign for 1000 years.
Great will be that time!

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The timeline of your story above has the fire judgment coming before His Second Coming.

Based on 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Peter 3:10-13, this cannot be correct.

Are you ignoring those passages to make your CME theory work?

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claninja said:

Daniel was given a vision that stated God would set up a kingdom during the kings of the 4th kingdom.

Daniel 2:44 In the days of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people

We can confirm that the kingdom was set up during the 4th kingdom (roman empire) because:

Jesus preached that the kingdom was near in the 1st century. This would have been during the roman empire (4th kingdom).
mark 1:15 The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!”

During the roman empire (4th kingdom), Jesus told his followers to heal the sick and tell the kingdom is near them.
Luke 10:9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God is near you.’

Jesus confirms Daniel in that when Christ ascends to the Father in heaven, he inherits the kingdom. Jesus ascended during the roman empire (4th kingdom)

Luke 19:12 So He said, “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to lay claim to his kingdom and then return

Daniel 7:13-14 In my vision in the night I continued to watch, and I saw One like a Son of Man
coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. And He was given dominion, glory, and a kingdom, so that every people, nation, and language
should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away,
and His kingdom is one that will never be destroyed

Jesus confirms that his audience would not die until the kingdom of God arrived.

Mark 9:1 Then Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.”

Revelation confirms that the kingdom of God came with the ascension of Christ to the Father and casting out of Satan. Christ ascended to heaven in the 1st century during the roman empire (4th kingdom)

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—he who accuses them day and night before our God.

Paul confirms the kingdom is righteous, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was poured at Pentecost, during the 1st century. This would have been during the roman empire (4th kingdom)

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Thus, I would agree that the kingdom is a present reality. I would argue the kingdom was established through Christ's ministry, death, resurrection, ascension, and sending of the Spirit. Thus the establishment of the kingdom at Christ's 1st advent helps us understand that the kingdom is like man who sowed good seed, that the kingdom is like a mustard seed, that the kingdom is like a net catching all kinds of fish, that the kingdom is like a king who settled accounts with his servant, that the kingdom is like a landowner who went out early to hire workers, that the kingdom is like a man going on a journey and entrusting his servants with his possessions.

We are presently fellow workers in this kingdom (colossians 4:11). We are presently the royal priest hood of this kingdom (1 peter 2:9). We presently enjoy peace, righteousness, and Joy through the Holy Spirit in the kingdom (romans 14:17). We presently have the Spirit as a guarantee of our future inheritance (2 Corinthians 5:5).

But when do we actually inherit the kingdom? If Jesus inherited the kingdom by his death resurrection and ascension to the Father, then I would argue that we inherit the kingdom in a similar manner: at our bodily resurrection and ascension to heaven. Thus, this helps us understand that the wheat is gathered into the barn, that the good fish are put into containers, that the nobleman gives inheritance at his return, that the good are given new garments and remain in the wedding feast, that the nation producing fruits are given the kingdom at the destruction of the wicked tenants, that the sheep inherit the kingdom after they are separated from the goats.

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Jesus now sits on David's Throne since his resurrection/ascension Acts 2:29–33. This is the "kingdom" symbolized in Revelation 20:2. The one Jesus said was "at hand" Matthew 3:2, "within you" Luke 17:21, "not of this world" John 18:36 and "comes without observation" Luke 17:20, being spiritual in nature.

And one must be born again to see it John 3:3. It is the kingdom many still look for physically in Premillennialism and Dispensationalism even though it has been here unnoticed by them since Pentecost 33 AD. Where Jesus remains on David's Throne/aka God's Throne 1 Chronicles 29:23, until the resurrection of the dead at the end of the world 1 Corinthians 15:21–26.

““To him who overcomes will I grant to sit with Me on My throne [future], as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne [presently in heaven]. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”” (Revelation 3:21–22)

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Matthew 19:28)

“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated on it. From His face the earth and the heavens fled away, and no place was found for them.” (Revelation 20:11)

““When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.” (Matthew 25:31)

“The victor: I will give him the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I also won the victory and sat down with My Father on His throne.” Revelation 3:21 (HCSB)

Kingdom of God in time and later in eternity

sdowney717 said:

To me all means every single creature, not just some of them.

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Then you must believe Paul when He said the Gospel had been preached to every creature under heaven by the Mid 60's AD, right?
Colossians 1:23
if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

Romans 14:10-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

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Right, after we die, for we ALL have an appointment with Physical death, and then comes that Judgment:
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

claninja said:

We are presently fellow workers in this kingdom (colossians 4:11). We are presently the royal priest hood of this kingdom (1 peter 2:9). We presently enjoy peace, righteousness, and Joy through the Holy Spirit in the kingdom (romans 14:17). We presently have the Spirit as a guarantee of our future inheritance (2 Corinthians 5:5).


The kingdom of God was established at the 1st advent, which you stated very nicely above. So while we do dwell and have roles in the kingdom of God now, while in the flesh, it seems that the inheritance, for which the spirit was given to us as a guarantee, is given AFTER the bodily resurrection. For the kingdom is given to the righteous AFTER they are separated from the unrighteous.

Matthew 25:33-34 He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.


And as the angel tells Daniel, there would be 4 kingdoms over the earth, but the saints would receive the kingdom.

Daniel 7:17 ‘These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.

Thus if the saints inherit the kingdom at the bodily resurrection, it appears the bodily resurrection occurs around the time of the 4th kingdom as mentioned in Daniel.

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Inherit the kingdom first in the New Birth followed by the Resurrection on the last day.

The coming AGE of the Resurrection is real.
There still ages to come.
It is future. And it will be also on earth and heaven together.

Luke 20:34-36 New King James Version (NKJV)
34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Future still
Matthew 19:28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Again future
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

Again same thing, when He comes to sit on the throne of His glory on that DAY and to be admired among all those who believe.
2 Thessalonians 1:9-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

sdowney717 said:

Future still
Matthew 19:28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Again future
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

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So what does Jesus' resurrection mean to you, then? Because, for those of us that believe He reigns NOW, we believe there was much victory in His resurrection (and Paul seemed to believe it's a foundation of our faith when he wrote, "And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty." (cf. 1 Cor 15:14) ). The Source of all Life descending into the abode of the dead resulted in Jesus’ victory over death, and not death’s victory over Jesus. This is the full reality of what Christ’s death and resurrection accomplished.

You seem to be suggesting that Christ has yet to be glorified.

mkgal1 said:

So what does Jesus' resurrection mean to you, then? Because, for those of us that believe He reigns NOW, we believe there was much victory in His resurrection (and Paul seemed to believe it's a foundation of our faith when he wrote, "And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty." (cf. 1 Cor 15:14) ). The Source of all Life descending into the abode of the dead resulted in Jesus’ victory over death, and not death’s victory over Jesus. This is the full reality of what Christ’s death and resurrection accomplished.

You seem to be suggesting that Christ has yet to be glorified.

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Fake theology your talk about.
Christ is glorified in Heaven, but not yet on earth.
There is still evil down here.
This future time Peter wrote of here,
If it already happened (and Christ was glorified in heaven when Peter wrote this), then there would be nothing to look forward too, that Day of the Lord yet to come..
The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

sdowney717 said:

Fake theology your talk about.
Christ is glorified in Heaven, but not yet on earth.

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To those of us here, on earth, that recognize His victory over sin and death....I believe we can say He's glorified on earth as well (by our recognition of what He's accomplished). The incarnation of God has a lot of deep meaning. Jesus even said this (as recorded in John):


He is our King - and we are His followers in His kingdom (spiritually). Whenever we act out of genuine love - we are also bringing light to His (spiritual) kingdom on earth.