Help with 1 Cor 14:32

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Will do. I will eventually be producing YouTube videos going passage by passage on various epistles, with heavy emphasis on the spiritual war and the importance of walking in supernatural gifts. I may be quoting you on their use in more effective evangelism, so I appreciate the invite. There may be more you can share with me : )
Here's a neat direction that you might enjoy studying for this.

I believe that much of the book of Ephesians - including chapter 6 (armor of God) - is Paul drawing directly from his experience in Acts 16 & 17. He wasn't just dealing with one little girl who was possessed (16), he was dealing with a principality/power type of spirit that got her that way and kept her that way.... further evidenced by how upset folks were at him in 17.

It's a cool study imo
 
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I have never seen Cessationism as anything but a human construction. Will the Two Witnesses be ungifted? I think not... No doubt however there will be a cleaver argument that accounts for their abilities without opening the box of Continuationism...

I can tell you the argument already. I have one Cessationist friend who argued that Joel 2:28 will be fulfilled only by Messianic Jews during the end-times, in advance of the Antichrist's arrival and Christ's return, and that until then all such manifestations are false.

Still haven't figured out how to counter it, despite knowing it is false, but the answer is likely in exacting analysis of the Book of Joel, and the context in which 2:28 is written.
I might add that I can see the 'Fellowship of the Prophets' being 'Pan-Church' - one group in an area serving all churches that want to participate.

This is very likely to happen. I remember reading Joyner say that a time is coming when there will be councils of leaders that will come together over each city, regardless of church affiliation and background, and that councils of apostles will have the Lord Jesus Christ manifest Himself physically among them to guide the church in person.

It would follow that such councils among the prophets would therefore likely exist. If there were communities of the sons of the prophets in OT times, why would there not be even more of them in the times, when the final fulfillment of all things is approaching?
But going back to the basics - the gifts need a foundation on love and unity to operate in.
His word can be carried by 'the least' sometimes quite new believers.
The present structures have created a mutually loyal spiritual elite that reinforce their own outlook.
Often members of the congregation see issues way before the leadership, but the structure often will not cater for them being heard.
Somehow human control through fear, presents barriers for communication and the leaders are too busy doing 'God's work' to listen.

Absolutely. Paul's entire teaching on the body of Christ having many members in 1 Corinthians 12 was in the context of operating in the spiritual gifts, and he laid stress on the fact that God was adorning even those "least presentable" i.e. having the least respect in congregations, with even greater honor, meaning that the Spirit of God could use ANYONE, from the greatest to the least, so that respect and care for every member of a congregation was encouraged and reinforced.
 
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I'm not keen on digging for the specific reference at the moment either :), but initially God said He would bring them all out of Egypt and into the promised land... then after their complaining and bad report (minus Joshua & Caleb) He basically said because you did this I'm amending my previous word. I've preached on it before, so I know it's there.

Exodus Something:Something - Something ;)

Lol! Maybe I'll try and look it up later. It may be viable for use. :)

But good thing you threw that out there among Continuationsists. You might have gotten caught with your pants down, LoL.
 
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I believe that much of the book of Ephesians - including chapter 6 (armor of God) - is Paul drawing directly from his experience in Acts 16 & 17. He wasn't just dealing with one little girl who was possessed (16), he was dealing with a principality/power type of spirit that got her that way and kept her that way.... further evidenced by how upset folks were at him in 17.

Hey, I appreciate it. I actually have a different approach to the armor of God, believing it relates more specially to principalities and powers operating through sinful and evil men who were bringing persecution against the church. So there might be something there.
 
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Hey, I appreciate it. I actually have a different approach to the armor of God, believing it relates more specially to principalities and powers operating through sinful and evil men who were bringing persecution against the church. So there might be something there.
Anytime. And I'll even raise you one further. I think all of Ephesians, not just the armor of God, is about spiritual warfare against principalities and such... even the marriage stuff. Of course that doesn't mean there aren't other truths in there, but I think that was Paul's main focus.
 
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Maybe I should make a final comment...

The way I journeyed into seeing folks healed was not so much through receiving or believing I had a gift.
Rather it was simple obedience to what I read in scripture. "confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much..."

Now this passage makes no reference to gifts. It follows that healings should take place whether a gift is involved or not.

The passage then goes on to talk about Elijah praying for rain. It also clearly states that we have the nature of Elijah.

So the argument is not about the cessation of gifts but lack of obedience and faith. The Cessationists should be seeing healings and the miraculous signs by way of simple obedience to the word.

Now Elijah was also a Prophet. By having his nature we should also prophesy simply because of our close bond with Jesus and having a spiritual ear trained to hear His word.

I have met folks that don't believe in the gifts yet are quite gifted at bringing the right word at the right time - Jesus working despite their theology.

So there is no excuse not to see Jesus working through believers of any theological persuasion.

Jesus wants us to be a witness of His power and love to the world regardless of our theology.

Look at what He said to John to confirm that the Kingdom had arrived - Healings, miracles etc.

Is the Kingdom no longer here?

Sadly in may cases not, as these Kingdom signs evidence Jesus reign.

But if we focus on childlike obedience to His word and let Him reign in our hearts, confess together, pray for each other, the response promised from Jesus to heal will happen.

We have just overlooked the basics and got into our heads.

Love you.
 
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Behind this question is one of authority. Who are these prophetic words subject to? the Pastor, the Teachers, or the Prophets. Some say the Pastor as he is the Father figure in the Church. Some say the Teachers as they must determine if the word is biblical. Some say the Prophets as they are collectively gifted to determine the validity of the presented word. Some say the Elders collectively.
When it comes to testing prophecy, these, I believe are pertinent...

Matthew 18:19 (KJV) Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
(Act 17:11)

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1Jn 4:1)

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, (1Ti 4:1)
 
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