Is Trump the first horseman of the apocalypse?

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That is just your opinion which you are perfectly entitled to. You have not provided any form of cohesive rebuttal.
It seems like some people here have been invited to the feast, but will probably argue as to why they shouldn't go. Good luck.
 
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It seems like some people here have been invited to the feast, but will probably argue as to why they shouldn't go. Good luck.


You still have not provided any form of cohesive rebuttal, just some thinly veiled aspersion because you haven't or can't provide one.

Are you really applying yourself to the Parable of the Virgins?
 
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White signifies unblemished holiness.

That would def make Trump out of the question in that case.

Something you are neglecting to consider though.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

If he can do something like that, one of his minions could be the rider on the white horse.
 
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White signifies unblemished holiness. The first horsemen is no other than a newly crowned king: Jesus Christ.-Revelation 1:14; 4:4; 6:2; 19:11, 14; 20:11.
I disagree: Jesus is the one opening the seals. No, the first seal is to represent the CHURCH, sent out with the gospel.
Chapters 4 & 5 are the context and they show us that Jesus took the book and began opening seals as soon as He ascended.

Seals 2 through 4 are the devil's attempts to stop the gospel.
 
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Something you are neglecting to consider though.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

If he can do something like that, one of his minions could be the rider on the white horse.


With that kind of speculation, that is how people end up way out in the mully grubs.
 
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With that kind of speculation, that is how people end up way out in the mully grubs.


Is it also speculation that satan can transform into an angel of light? If that can happen, why can't the rider on the white horse be involving someone set out to deceive?
 
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Is it also speculation that satan can transform into an angel of light? If that can happen, why can't the rider on the white horse be involving someone set out to deceive?

If you as a Christian don't understand it by now, no one will ever be able to convince you otherwise.

This is not speculation.

2 Cor. 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Speculation is something else completely.
 
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With that kind of speculation, that is how people end up way out in the mully grubs.


Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

The latter is obviously meaning Christ, and that He is wearing many crowns, and that when He is seen riding on a white horse, it is in the end of this age that he is seen riding on it, IOW, it involves His bodily return. The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6:2 is already riding a white horse before Jesus Himself is even seen riding a white horse.
 
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Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

The latter is obviously meaning Christ, and that He is wearing many crowns, and that when He is seen riding on a white horse, it is in the end of this age that he is seen riding on it, IOW, it involves His bodily return. The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6:2 is already riding a white horse before Jesus Himself is even seen riding a white horse.


And we all know that the Book of The Revelation of John was written in Chronological Order so that Christians in today's day and age would be able to read it and understand everything as it will happen.
 
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If you as a Christian don't understand it by now, no one will ever be able to convince you otherwise.

This is not speculation.

2 Cor. 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Speculation is something else completely.



If Jesus is not seen riding a white horse until He is seen returning, how could He already be riding a white horse before He even returns? And why is only one crown given to the rider in Revelation 6, while in Revelation 19, this rider is wearing many crowns?
 
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And we all know that the Book of The Revelation of John was written in Chronological Order so that Christians in today's day and age would be able to read it and understand everything as it will happen.



Who is this 'we' you are referring to here? Maybe you can speak for yourself and any others who might agree with you about this, but you can't speak for everyone though.
 
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Who is this 'we' you are referring to here? Maybe you can speak for yourself and any others who might agree with you about this, but you can't speak for everyone though.

Why don't you start a poll and ask the question.

Was the Book of Revelation written in Chronological order?

It is my belief, the greater majority of Christians asked would say no.

But then again, you are entitled to your speculation (Opinion). :oldthumbsup:
 
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Why don't you start a poll and ask the question.

Was the Book of Revelation written in Chronological order?

It is my belief, the greater majority of Christians asked would say no.

But then again, you are entitled to your speculation (Opinion). :oldthumbsup:


It doesn't matter how many might agree, if there are also many who might not agree. Even if the poll went 75-25 in your favor, that doesn't prove your position is the correct one. That might be like polling a thousand people, and asking them if eating at McDonald's is healthy for you. And even if 75% agreed it was, that hardly means eating at McD's is actually healthy for you then.
 
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It doesn't matter how many might agree, if there are also many who might not agree. Even if the poll went 75-25 in your favor, that doesn't prove your position is the correct one. That might be like polling a thousand people, and asking them if eating at McDonald's is healthy for you. And even if 75% agreed it was, that hardly means eating at McD's is actually healthy for you then.

I understand, have yourself a God Blessed afternoon. :wave:
 
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And we all know that the Book of The Revelation of John was written in Chronological Order so that Christians in today's day and age would be able to read it and understand everything as it will happen.
I agree; it IS written in proper order, proper by the Holy Spirit! Anyone that rearranges John's God given chronology to fit their theory will be proven wrong.
 
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Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

The latter is obviously meaning Christ, and that He is wearing many crowns, and that when He is seen riding on a white horse, it is in the end of this age that he is seen riding on it, IOW, it involves His bodily return. The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6:2 is already riding a white horse before Jesus Himself is even seen riding a white horse.
This is true. It is also true the horse Jesus is riding is a very real horse, while the horse and rider in chapter 6 is a symbolic horse. It is to symbolize the church taking the gospel to the world.
 
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Is it also speculation that satan can transform into an angel of light? If that can happen, why can't the rider on the white horse be involving someone set out to deceive?
Big problem: Satan did not get to choose this color! Of course if HE chose he would choose white. GOD chose this color to represent righteousness. Now, can you figure out what entity on earth was righteous in God's eyes around 32 AD?
 
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