4 of Satan’s biggest lies to born-again believers

BCsenior said:

Satan's lie
All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NKJV)
>>> “OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP

“… having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
>>> “FORMER sins” is also in the ESV

“… forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
>>> “PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

John is writing to his fellow Christians …
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
“This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
all unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, missionary to Nepal)

Paul warns the errant Corinthian church that their …
“godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation” (2 Corin. 7:9-10, NKJV)

Satan's lie
You are now righteous

“… you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living … So now you must give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living” (Romans 6:16-19)

“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil … Whoever has been born of God does not sin (habitually) … In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:7-10)
“… who fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:35)

“But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness and a godly life … pursue righteous living” (1 Timothy 6:11, 2 Timothy 2:22)

Satan's lie
You are now holy

“… give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living so that you will become holy.” (Romans 6:16-19)

“work at living a holy life, for those who are not holy will not see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:14)

“God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from all sexual sin … live in holiness and honor. … God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives. Therefore, anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human teaching but is rejecting God” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8)

“you must live as God’s obedient children … now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, ‘You must be holy because I am holy.’ ” (1 Peter 1:14-15)

Satan's lie
You have been saved and can never lose salvation

“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)

“For to be carnally-minded is (eternal) death, but to be spiritually-minded is (eternal) life and peace.” (Romans 8:5-6)

“For IF you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death); but IF by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life).” (Romans 8:13)

“For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption (eternal death), but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

“Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved,
he will receive the crown of (eternal) life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him … when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown, brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:12-15)

Jesus often said. “Those who love Me will obey My commandments.” (4 times in John 14)

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A person can refuse salvation, and a Christian can backslide into legalism,
but you can't change what Jesus did. It's impossible to reverse a free gift.

All your sins, past present and future, are no longer counted against the believer. But they still occur, and one should always do the right thing.

BCsenior said:

Here's a guy who didn't even read the whole OP.

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Would that be a prophesy thing...or an occult vision....or God sight?

But reading long drawn out posts is not required by the forum bylaws anywho.
I might comment on just the first three words......my prerogative.

BCsenior said:

Satan's lie
All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NKJV)
>>> “OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP

“… having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
>>> “FORMER sins” is also in the ESV

“… forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
>>> “PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

John is writing to his fellow Christians …
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
“This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
all unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, missionary to Nepal)

Paul warns the errant Corinthian church that their …
“godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation” (2 Corin. 7:9-10, NKJV)

Satan's lie
You are now righteous

“… you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living … So now you must give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living” (Romans 6:16-19)

“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil … Whoever has been born of God does not sin (habitually) … In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:7-10)
“… who fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:35)

“But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness and a godly life … pursue righteous living” (1 Timothy 6:11, 2 Timothy 2:22)

Satan's lie
You are now holy

“… give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living so that you will become holy.” (Romans 6:16-19)

“work at living a holy life, for those who are not holy will not see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:14)

“God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from all sexual sin … live in holiness and honor. … God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives. Therefore, anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human teaching but is rejecting God” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8)

“you must live as God’s obedient children … now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, ‘You must be holy because I am holy.’ ” (1 Peter 1:14-15)

Satan's lie
You have been saved and can never lose salvation

“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)

“For to be carnally-minded is (eternal) death, but to be spiritually-minded is (eternal) life and peace.” (Romans 8:5-6)

“For IF you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death); but IF by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life).” (Romans 8:13)

“For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption (eternal death), but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

“Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of (eternal) life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him … when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown, brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:12-15)

Jesus often said. “Those who love Me will obey My commandments.” (4 times in John 14)

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I understand your OP and have one correction: God will visit sinners if he desires and does. For instance there is Adam and Eve, Paul the Apostle, Eating and drinking with tax collectors and sinners, The spirits in Prison, etc etc etc. That particular scripture you quoted surely means something else.

All four are not lies. Beware of calling something God does and say it is from Satan. That is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. That is a sin that will not be forgiven in this age and the age to come. You have been warned by the warning of Jesus.

The righteousness of Abraham was given as a gift, imputed to his account before God. That was a legal declaration & was only done once for all time. Just as Christ's sacrifice was only done once for all time. It is wise not to confuse being saved from the power of sin over our lives (sanctification) with being saved from the wrath of God & the penalty of sin.

The Holy Spirit now INDWELLS believers forever. He is the One who brings sanctification in our lives & now He can be grieved & quenched & it is not a good thing when that happens in a believer IN Christ. God's discipline (Heb 12) kicks in & we are chastised to the extent that is needed. God addresses us as His children now & no child of His escapes His discipline, because He is perfecting us as His Body, pruning us too, so that we may bear more fruit & much fruit.

“We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone.” Martin Luther

I'm not too bright, but it seems to me that Jesus' death took away all sin for all time. Otherwise, he would have to die over and over again. God gave us that gift if we choose to accept it. I did. I don't see him taking it away from me. I have eternal life. Not eternal just until I mess up later today. Long posts lose my interest quickly and I'm finding others are the same.

JustRachel said:

I'm not too bright, but it seems to me that Jesus' death took away all sin for all time. Otherwise, he would have to die over and over again. God gave us that gift if we choose to accept it. I did. I don't see him taking it away from me. I have eternal life. Not eternal just until I mess up later today. Long posts lose my interest quickly and I'm finding others are the same.

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Have fun later today with Jesus when you mess up again. Say hi to Abba for me while your there.

LoreneDD said:

Have fun later today with Jesus when you mess up again. Say hi to Abba for me while your there.

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Jesus is actually here with me at the moment. But he could be everywhere I suppose And I think the OP checked out?

devin553344 said:

Jesus is actually here with me at the moment. But he could be everywhere I suppose And I think the OP checked out?

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I would never doubt that He is not omnipresent. I have Grace with me.

LoreneDD said:

I would never doubt that He is not omnipresent. I have Grace with me.

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Romans 8:10 "10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness."

devin553344 said:

Romans 8:10 "10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness."

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And that selfsame spirit living in me will quicken my mortal body since that same Spirit that is in us all dwell in you.

BCsenior said:

Satan's lie
All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NKJV)
>>> “OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP

“… having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
>>> “FORMER sins” is also in the ESV

“… forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
>>> “PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

John is writing to his fellow Christians …
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
“This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
all unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, missionary to Nepal)

Paul warns the errant Corinthian church that their …
“godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation” (2 Corin. 7:9-10, NKJV)

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It is good that you mentioned 1 John 1:9. Although we are forgiven of our past sins at conversion, we carry on being continuously forgiven, because this is the intercessory function of Christ at the right hand of the Father.

Satan's lie

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You are now righteous

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“… you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living … So now you must give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living” (Romans 6:16-19)

“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil … Whoever has been born of God does not sin (habitually) … In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:7-10)
“… who fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:35)

“But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness and a godly life … pursue righteous living” (1 Timothy 6:11, 2 Timothy 2:22)

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We don't become righteous in ourselves when we are converted to Christ. The righteousness that we receive is the righteousness of Christ, which is conferred on us through God legally declaring us "not guilty". Therefore, we pursue righteous living because we are already righteous, not to become righteous in ourselves. If we are trying to become righteous in ourselves, we end up with self-righteousness which is a rejection of Christ Himself.

Satan's lie

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You are now holy

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“… give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living so that you will become holy.” (Romans 6:16-19)

“work at living a holy life, for those who are not holy will not see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:14)

“God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from all sexual sin … live in holiness and honor. … God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives. Therefore, anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human teaching but is rejecting God” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8)

“you must live as God’s obedient children … now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, ‘You must be holy because I am holy.’ ” (1 Peter 1:14-15)

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This is a "right now" but "not yet" situation. When converted to Christ, God declares us to be holy. Again this is not personal holiness that comes from trying to be justified by works of the law. Because we have already been declared holy by God, we seek to live according to it, not to try and achieve it through our self-effort. If we could attain holiness through our own efforts, why need the Holy Spirit to work holiness in us?

Satan's lie

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You have been saved and can never lose salvation

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“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)

“For to be carnally-minded is (eternal) death, but to be spiritually-minded is (eternal) life and peace.” (Romans 8:5-6)

“For IF you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death); but IF by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life).” (Romans 8:13)

“For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption (eternal death), but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

“Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of (eternal) life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him … when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown, brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:12-15)

Jesus often said. “Those who love Me will obey My commandments.” (4 times in John 14)

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You have carefully left out all the Scriptures that promise eternal security for the believer. A person genuinely converted to Christ receives a new heart and spirit and the Holy Spirit indwells him. This means that he cannot fall away because his new heart strongly desires holiness and growth in grace. As long as he maintains faith in Christ, the promise is that none shall pluck them out of His hand.

11 of the 12 disciples would never have thought for one moment to betray Christ, but the 12th one had an evil heart and was able to betray Him. There are many who profess Christianity, and outwardly do everything right so that one cannot tell the difference between the genuine convert and the hypocrite. But God looks at the heart. King Asa was not perfect in the way he ruled Israel but the Scripture says that he was right in his heart before God. Another king did everything right in the sight of God but not with a perfect heart. He did what was right while his godly uncle was alive, but when the uncle died, he turned away from God.

So, when we see a professing Christian turn away from Christ, we can safely assume that his heart was never changed and therefore remained as it was. But he did everything right, maybe while a particular pastor was running his church, and when that pastor left, he fell away. Or he did everything right while life was going his way, but as soon as persecution and problems came, he fell away.

BCsenior said:

All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven

You are now righteous

You are now holy

You have been saved and can never lose salvation

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All these things are in fact Biblical truth, as @Oscarr and others have pointed out.

For example, Colossians 1:2 is addressed "To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters in Christ."

SkyWriting said:

A person can refuse salvation, and a Christian can backslide into legalism,
but you can't change what Jesus did. It's impossible to reverse a free gift.

All your sins, past present and future, are no longer counted against the believer. But they still occur, and one should always do the right thing.

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It's what one does with the free gift that counts. Free gifts, in general, are not a guarantee that the person will always be doing with the free give, what the giver of it intended. Some people take a free gift meant to share with others, and instead hide it on a shelf in a closet. Some people trade free gifts for other things. Some people even throw free gifts away at some point. Until one grasps that first, one may never fully get a lot of these things.

Once saved is not a guarantee that this will be true in every single case, that it adds up to always saved every single time.

BCsenior said:

Satan's lie
All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NKJV)
>>> “OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP

“… having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
>>> “FORMER sins” is also in the ESV

“… forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
>>> “PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

John is writing to his fellow Christians …
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
“This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from
all unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.”
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, missionary to Nepal)

Paul warns the errant Corinthian church that their …
“godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation” (2 Corin. 7:9-10, NKJV)

Satan's lie
You are now righteous

“… you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living … So now you must give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living” (Romans 6:16-19)

“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil … Whoever has been born of God does not sin (habitually) … In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:7-10)
“… who fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:35)

“But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness and a godly life … pursue righteous living” (1 Timothy 6:11, 2 Timothy 2:22)

Satan's lie
You are now holy

“… give yourselves to be slaves to righteous living so that you will become holy.” (Romans 6:16-19)

“work at living a holy life, for those who are not holy will not see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:14)

“God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from all sexual sin … live in holiness and honor. … God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives. Therefore, anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human teaching but is rejecting God” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8)

“you must live as God’s obedient children … now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, ‘You must be holy because I am holy.’ ” (1 Peter 1:14-15)

Satan's lie
You have been saved and can never lose salvation

“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)

“For to be carnally-minded is (eternal) death, but to be spiritually-minded is (eternal) life and peace.” (Romans 8:5-6)

“For IF you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death); but IF by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life).” (Romans 8:13)

“For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption (eternal death), but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

“Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of (eternal) life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him … when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown, brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:12-15)

Jesus often said. “Those who love Me will obey My commandments.” (4 times in John 14)

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Forgiven by the blood of Christ. Declared righteous through faith alone by the imputed righteousness of Christ. Chosen, kept and preserved by Gods Sovereign grace in Christ alone. Holy and without blame before God for the sake of Christ alone. There’s no room for boasting about your works.. and your opposition to the gospel with these so called lies

DavidPT said:

It's what one does with the free gift that counts. Free gifts, in general, are not a guarantee that the person will always be doing with the free give, what the giver of it intended. Some people take a free gift meant to share with others, and instead hide it on a shelf in a closet. Some people trade free gifts for other things. Some people even throw free gifts away at some point. Until one grasps that first, one may never fully get a lot of these things.

Once saved is not a guarantee that this will be true in every single case, that it adds up to always saved every single time.

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Or you could immediately die. This happens, and so ruins your theory.

DavidPT said:

It's what one does with the free gift that counts. Free gifts, in general, are not a guarantee that the person will always be doing with the free give, what the giver of it intended. Some people take a free gift meant to share with others, and instead hide it on a shelf in a closet. Some people trade free gifts for other things. Some people even throw free gifts away at some point. Until one grasps that first, one may never fully get a lot of these things.

Once saved is not a guarantee that this will be true in every single case, that it adds up to always saved every single time.

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Jesus cannot un-save you from your sins.
You can refuse the free gift of salvation. A bad choice.