How do you feel that LGBT will now be taught to Primary School children?

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True ... but HIV transmission in Africa is rampant, with very little of it due to homosexuality.
Why Africa? Do you know where the biggest case of HIV is? EASTERN EUROPE! Big secret that nobody speaks about.
But Africa is always the face of HIV. Russia/Ukraine has SKY ROCKETING cases of HIV. Europe's dirty little secret.
Africa has HIV epidemic cos of devilish missionaries interfering with the continent.
 
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Why Africa? Do you know where the biggest case of HIV is? EASTERN EUROPE! Big secret that nobody speaks about.
But Africa is always the face of HIV. Russia/Ukraine has SKY ROCKETING cases of HIV. Europe's dirty little secret.
Africa has HIV epidemic cos of devilish missionaries interfering with the continent.

It's also really bad in my country (we're third place in HIV infection rate among world countries). Over 2 million Indians are HIV+. It's mostly homosexuals and sex workers who are infected here.
 
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It's also really bad in my country (we're third place in HIV infection rate among world countries). Over 2 million Indians are HIV+. It's mostly homosexuals and sex workers who are infected here.
Well sex workers are always gonna be at high risk regardless.
 
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1 in 5 gay men are HIV+. Not true with heterosexuals.

And lesbians have a lower rate than heterosexuals, so I'm sure you'll follow your argument to its logical conclusion and accept that only gay women are sinless
 
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There has been a huge amount of misconception about the new sex and relationships curriculum and many people getting carried away in their objections.

The guidelines are extremely clear that the curriculum devised for the youngest of primary school students will be centred around topics such as respect, helping your friends and family, etc. This is obviously going to include some element of different family structures since there are pupils who will be raised in households of two mothers or two fathers. Obviously this is less ‘catchy’ than a headline of ‘LGBT will now be taught to primary school children’, but the reality is that children will be taught that families come in all shapes and sizes and that they shouldn’t judge or exclude their peers for being brought up in a family structure that looks different.

A petition was put to parliament on the issue and the official response can be found here:
Petition: Give parents the right to opt their child out of Relationship and Sex Education

Taken from the above link:

''In primary schools, we want the subjects to put in place the key building blocks of healthy, respectful relationships, focusing on family and friendships, both on and offline. At secondary, teaching will introduce age-appropriate knowledge about intimate relationships, including marriage and other forms of committed relationships, and sex.

Primary schools are not required to teach sex education but where they do cover elements of sex education other than those taught within the science national curriculum, this must be included in the school’s policy, which is subject to consultation with parents. This will make clear that all requests from parents to withdraw their child from sex education at primary will be automatically granted.’’

For the youngest of children, the LGBT element is simply a small part of the teaching regarding different family structures and not excluding others because their family make up is different - this will apply for those brought up in one parent households, by grandparents, those in care or in blended families etc etc.

The guidelines are part of a large shake up of teaching to make it relevant to the modern age and will cover topics a wide range of relationship and healthy behaviour topics:

Primary school
  • Who are my family and the people who care about me
  • How should I treat my friends and be a good friend
  • How can I help my family at home
  • How to be kind, even if they have different skin to me, or are disabled, or come from a different family.
  • Importance of eating healthy foods and sleep
  • limiting screen time and staying safe online
  • learning that no one should touch them in private areas and they should always tell someone if they are scared or worried.
  • Changes during puberty
secondary school
  • How to stay safe online, to be aware of grooming and cyber bullying.
  • How to use social media safely. To be aware of the risks in sending nude photos or videos, how any of the images you see are not true to life.
  • How to understand and navigate inappropriate contentography if they see it. To know it is not a reflection of real life sex or that the practices shown are in any way mainstream. To apply tools of staying safe online so they dont see things they dont want to see.
  • Positive body image, self esteem, knowing and understanding the range of what is ‘normal’
  • the building blocks of healthy relationships, like consent, waiting until you are ready, having your own boundaries.
  • Relationship red flags like coercion, domestic violence, manipulation, pressure to do things sexually.
  • How their actions affect others if they bully, or exclude or sexually pressure someone
  • Staying healthy, getting exercise, who to go to if you feel sad/depressed/need someone to talk to
 
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There has been a huge amount of misconception about the new sex and relationships curriculum and many people getting carried away in their objections.

The guidelines are extremely clear that the curriculum devised for the youngest of primary school students will be centred around topics such as respect, helping your friends and family, etc. This is obviously going to include some element of different family structures since there are pupils who will be raised in households of two mothers or two fathers. Obviously this is less ‘catchy’ than a headline of ‘LGBT will now be taught to primary school children’, but the reality is that children will be taught that families come in all shapes and sizes and that they shouldn’t judge or exclude their peers for being brought up in a family structure that looks different.

A petition was put to parliament on the issue and the official response can be found here:
Petition: Give parents the right to opt their child out of Relationship and Sex Education

Taken from the above link:

''In primary schools, we want the subjects to put in place the key building blocks of healthy, respectful relationships, focusing on family and friendships, both on and offline. At secondary, teaching will introduce age-appropriate knowledge about intimate relationships, including marriage and other forms of committed relationships, and sex.

Primary schools are not required to teach sex education but where they do cover elements of sex education other than those taught within the science national curriculum, this must be included in the school’s policy, which is subject to consultation with parents. This will make clear that all requests from parents to withdraw their child from sex education at primary will be automatically granted.’’

For the youngest of children, the LGBT element is simply a small part of the teaching regarding different family structures and not excluding others because their family make up is different - this will apply for those brought up in one parent households, by grandparents, those in care or in blended families etc etc.

The guidelines are part of a large shake up of teaching to make it relevant to the modern age and will cover topics a wide range of relationship and healthy behaviour topics:

Primary school
  • Who are my family and the people who care about me
  • How should I treat my friends and be a good friend
  • How can I help my family at home
  • How to be kind, even if they have different skin to me, or are disabled, or come from a different family.
  • Importance of eating healthy foods and sleep
  • limiting screen time and staying safe online
  • learning that no one should touch them in private areas and they should always tell someone if they are scared or worried.
  • Changes during puberty
secondary school
  • How to stay safe online, to be aware of grooming and cyber bullying.
  • How to use social media safely. To be aware of the risks in sending nude photos or videos, how any of the images you see are not true to life.
  • How to understand and navigate inappropriate contentography if they see it. To know it is not a reflection of real life sex or that the practices shown are in any way mainstream. To apply tools of staying safe online so they dont see things they dont want to see.
  • Positive body image, self esteem, knowing and understanding the range of what is ‘normal’
  • the building blocks of healthy relationships, like consent, waiting until you are ready, having your own boundaries.
  • Relationship red flags like coercion, domestic violence, manipulation, pressure to do things sexually.
  • How their actions affect others if they bully, or exclude or sexually pressure someone
  • Staying healthy, getting exercise, who to go to if you feel sad/depressed/need someone to talk to

Just to say it's a shame I can't rate this informative, useful, agree and winner
 
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What does "LGBT will be taught" mean? You make it sound like children will be instructed in how to conduct a same sex relationship. As I understand it, the no outsiders programme instructs children about the reality of modern families and identities.

Why does this need to be taught to the children?
 
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My 8 year old daughter told me last week that her teacher already explained to the class that the other 2nd grade teacher was gay.

...I asked her what her response was, and she said she laughed at first. Apparently afterwards, it wasn't a big deal for her anymore.

We live in California.
 
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Why does this need to be taught to the children?

The same reason we were taught about different religions including Christianity - acceptance that society is made up of different people coming from different perspectives and that mutual respect can be built from mutual understanding. Sure I didnt "need" to learn that, but it has been undeniably beneficial.
 
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The same reason we were taught about different religions including Christianity - acceptance that society is made up of different people coming from different perspectives and that mutual respect can be built from mutual understanding. Sure I didnt "need" to learn that, but it has been undeniably beneficial.

I am asking why it needs to be taught in a public school?
 
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Just to say it's a shame I can't rate this informative, useful, agree and winner

Very kind of you! Sadly for me, this topic and its controversy is one I have run into before. I used to work for an organisation that were pushing for a review of Sex/Relationship teaching back in 2014 and the need to modernise it for todays world.

One of the main concerns they had was about the availability of inappropriate contentography and how the young teens seeing it had no way of putting it into context - ie the bodies/genitals you see are not 'typical' or 'normal', how the lack of expressed consent seen in inappropriate content is not how sex should be conducted in real life, or that the practices seen are not part of normal relationships.

The suggestion was a review of sex ed teaching to rise inappropriate contentography as an issue, not to encourage its viewership, but to help minimise some of its more harmful effects (like overly aggressive sexual behaviour, body dysmorphia or anxiety, pressure to perform acts they may not be ready for or understand how to do safely).

Of course there were people who took offence to the suggestion and summarised it as 'XYZ want to teach inappropriate content to children'.
 
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I am asking why it needs to be taught in a public school?

Well it's a state school not a public school. The National curriculum is set at a statutory level and requires, amongst other things that an education:
  • promotes the spiritual, moral, cultural, mental and physical development of pupils at the school and of society, and
  • prepares pupils at the school for the opportunities, responsibilities and experiences of later life.
This then leads to my comment above - you learn about different faiths, lifestyles and experiences of life (such as disability). The policy reasons for doing so, I expect, are to increase societal cohesion, reduce ignorance and bigotry, teach respect and ultimately contribute productively in a pluralistic society.
 
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Very kind of you! Sadly for me, this topic and its controversy is one I have run into before. I used to work for an organisation that were pushing for a review of Sex/Relationship teaching back in 2014 and the need to modernise it for todays world.

One of the main concerns they had was about the availability of inappropriate contentography and how the young teens seeing it had no way of putting it into context - ie the bodies/genitals you see are not 'typical' or 'normal', how the lack of expressed consent seen in inappropriate content is not how sex should be conducted in real life, or that the practices seen are not part of normal relationships.

The suggestion was a review of sex ed teaching to rise inappropriate contentography as an issue, not to encourage its viewership, but to help minimise some of its more harmful effects (like overly aggressive sexual behaviour, body dysmorphia or anxiety, pressure to perform acts they may not be ready for or understand how to do safely).

Of course there were people who took offence to the suggestion and summarised it as 'XYZ want to teach inappropriate content to children'.

Can I ask what the organisation was? I work in central Government - arts and culture, not education - but still interesting to know. I've always favoured the dutch approach to sex education which is quite radical but there's an interesting body of literature supporting its effectiveness at reducing abortion and STI rates.
 
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I would think that if you wanted them to grow up convinced that such things are mental illnesses and perversions you ought to start indoctrinating them now.

I will leave the destruction of children to you. As for my children, they will learn what is age-appropriate.
 
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Well it's a state school not a public school. The National curriculum is set at a statutory level and requires, amongst other things that an education:
  • promotes the spiritual, moral, cultural, mental and physical development of pupils at the school and of society, and
  • prepares pupils at the school for the opportunities, responsibilities and experiences of later life.
This then leads to my comment above - you learn about different faiths, lifestyles and experiences of life (such as disability). The policy reasons for doing so, I expect, are to increase societal cohesion, reduce ignorance and bigotry, teach respect and ultimately contribute productively in a pluralistic society.

In the US we refer to state run schools as public schools. So, though I used a different word for it than you are accustomed to, I was speaking of the government run schools. Why do you think it is the government's place to promote spiritual, moral, and cultural values in children? What makes the government's opinion about those things so authoritative that it believes they must be universally accepted and that it is the government's job to make sure that children are, from early as possible, shown that they are expected to accept them? Does the government believe that if it allows children to develop without indoctrination in the approved spiritual, moral and cultural values that they would not choose the spiritual, moral and cultural values it is able to instill while the children are still impressionable enough to accept the government's instruction without question? Does the government distrust the parents of those children to the extent that it feels it must instill those values in those children because the parents either from incompetency or laziness will not do so or may refuse to do so because they themselves find some or all of those values contrary to their own?
 
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Because their students come from a cross-section of society, all of which won't fit into the model two-parent home ...

And what about that makes it reasonable for a government to decide that it is the authoritative source to instill spiritual, moral and cultural values into every child? Have the government ministers and bureaucrats shown themselves to be the best examples of spiritual, moral and cultural values in the UK?
 
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In the US we refer to state run schools as public schools. So, though I used a different word for it than you are accustomed to, I was speaking of the government run schools. Why do you think it is the government's place to promote spiritual, moral, and cultural values in children? What makes the government's opinion about those things so authoritative that it believes they must be universally accepted and that it is the government's job to make sure that children are, from early as possible, shown that they are expected to accept them? Does the government believe that if it allows children to develop without indoctrination in the approved spiritual, moral and cultural values that they would not choose the spiritual, moral and cultural values it is able to instill while the children are still impressionable enough to accept the government's instruction without question? Does the government distrust the parents of those children to the extent that it feels it must instill those values in those children because the parents either from incompetency or laziness will not do so or may refuse to do so because they themselves find some or all of those values contrary to their own?
In his case it is not indoctrination, but pragmatism. In the society in which these kids will find themselves, it's a fact that LGBTs are "out" and many people find it acceptable. It's a reality that kids should be prepared for, whether they are taught at home to approve of it or not.
 
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