Is it a sin to befriend a gay person?

MasterYourLife said:

Those verses have nothing to do with laying their life down for unbelievers.
The only person to lay their life down for unbelievers, was Jesus.
But Jesus said, he will be their friends only if they obey his commands.

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Who then?

Kaon said:

So you must understand the Socratic point: we don't put nearly enough terror and emphasis on the other hundreds of possible sins and abominations from the Most High God - we embrace those abominations. Why not honisexuality?

In other words, either we need to condemn it all, or embrace it all - lest we look like improper judgmental hypocrites.

I agree that sinful people can be stumbling blocks, and no one has to be friends with anyone, but we need to apply that pressure evenly. Homosexuality already hurts the sinner more than other sins, so we should be a lamp and candlelight for those seeking to come OUT of that.

Anyone who wants to stay there can do so, as they are sovereign humans under the Most High God.

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A light is separate from darkness. We don't need to be friends with unbelievers, in order for them to see the light.

Tone said:

Who then?

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If an unbeliever obeys Jesus's command, He will be their friend.

MasterYourLife said:

A light is separate from darkness. We don't need to be friends with unbelievers, in order for them to see the light.

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Darkness is not the people...it is the sin.

Tone said:

Darkness is not the people...it is the sin.

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And the people sin. Therefore the darkness is people.

MasterYourLife said:

And the people sin. Therefore the darkness is people.

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You sin...

Tone said:

You sin...

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"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your vision is clear, your whole body will be full of light. But if your vision is poor, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!" Matthew 6:22

My sins have been atoned for. I serve one God. Therefore I am a light.

Unbelievers sin has not been atoned for, therefore they are darkness.

MasterYourLife said:

A light is separate from darkness. We don't need to be friends with unbelievers, in order for them to see the light.

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That's true - unbelievers. Leave them alone those who don't want anything to do with the Most High God.

Those who do, however, need our observation. Someone who is homosexual, or someone who lies may not ever come out and say, "I need help!" But, we should be able to discern when someone is in need. We draw on when we were spiritual wanderers without knowing it - indulging in things we thought were right, and we try to have fruits of the spirit (patience, wisdom, etc.) to help those who show signs of needing it.

We plant the seed, the Word of God Himself cultivates it. But, there will be problems in cultivation if the seed isn't from a good (non hypocritical, unholy) source. Sometimes one's life is enough to draw someone to Him. If we had the same disdain for adulterers, or liars as we do people who have homosexual attractions, we may have a leg to stand on.

Instead, we qualify our iniquity (e.g. "white" lies), and choose which of the Most High God's law we follow. So, we have a bunch of people who want to be sanctified, perhaps, from homosexuality. On one hand, the people they are supposed to trust - direct images of the Father - are condemning them to the point of suicide. On the other hand, they see these same images indulging in idolatry, fornication and abominations themselves. Where are they supposed to go for help? Of course homosexuals would make their own "tribe", and defiantly parade their activities in a demand for acceptance. We have to be cognizant of all of these intricacies.

MasterYourLife said:

"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your vision is clear, your whole body will be full of light. But if your vision is poor, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!" Matthew 6:22

My sins have been atoned for. I serve one God. Therefore I am a light.

Unbelievers sin has not been atoned for, therefore they are darkness.

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MasterYourLife said:

If an unbeliever obeys Jesus's command, He will be their friend.

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How do they know His Command?

MasterYourLife said:

A light is separate from darkness. We don't need to be friends with unbelievers, in order for them to see the light.

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I know some homosexuals who are devout Christians.

Tone said:

How do they know His Command?

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You tell them...without being their friends.

Archivist said:

I know some homosexuals who are devout Christians.

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Practicing homosexuals?
There's no such thing as a Christian homosexual.
You can't identify yourself with sin as well as with God.
"I am a murderer by nature, and I am Christian". Not a chance.

MasterYourLife said:

Practicing homosexuals?
There's no such thing as a Christian homosexual.
You can't identify yourself with sin as well as with God.
"I am a murderer by nature, and I am Christian". Not a chance.

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Did I say practicing homosexuals, but I’m not sure that matters.

BTW, last I checked Christians are sinners. We try to turn from our sins, but we still commit them.

Archivist said:

Did I say practicing homosexuals?

BTW, last I checked Christians are sinners. We try to turn from our sins, but we still commit them.

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Homosexuals identify by their sin.
I don't identify by my sins, I repent from them.

Archivist said:

I know some homosexuals who are devout Christians.

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About half of LGBT identify as Christian. Those who attend monthly / yearly seem to be about the same fraction as the general public. Those who attend weekly are about 72% of the number for the general public. (Obviously I'm only looking at those who identify as Christian.)

MasterYourLife said:

Practicing homosexuals?
There's no such thing as a Christian homosexual.

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Fortunately that's not your decision to make. If you're right, they'll be in good company:

Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers, fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these

Tone said:

Who then?

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LOL. MasterYourLife is correct. Read the Bible, will you? Show us the Scripture where we are commanded to sacrifice our life for unrepentant unbelievers? Else it is just your personal opinion not worthy for consideration!

MasterYourLife said:

Homosexuals identify by their sin.
I don't identify by my sins, I repent from them.

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Yes, they sin just like you and I do.

TribulationSigns said:

LOL. MasterYourLife is correct. Read the Bible, will you? Show us the Scripture where we are commanded to sacrifice our life for unrepentant unbelievers? Else it is just your personal opinion not worthy for consideration!

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6For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7It is rare indeed for anyone to die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.…

Romans 5: 6-7

Anyone claiming to be a follower of Jesus Christ and is unwilling to die for the unrighteous is a hypocrite. Jesus died for the unrighteous. Now, I don't consider myself a Christian because I know my limitation.

But I am here because of my desire to be a Christian.