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The Son and the Father have a relationship. Why do Mormons think Jehovah is Jesus? Why did your Jehovah lie?

Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Jehovah was not a created being. And as God, He wouldn't lie!

There is only ONE GOD!
You said: "Why do Mormons think Jehovah is Jesus?" Because the Bible states:

(Old Testament | Isaiah 49:26)

26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

(New Testament | Luke 2:11)

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

(New Testament | Acts 5:31 - 32)

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

You said: "Jehovah was not a created being. And as God, He wouldn't lie!" He did not lie:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 93:29 - 30)

29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
 
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I know all about it. But you insinuated that Joseph Smith was sealed to those women and that they weren't his wives. I told you it was plural marriage. He said that if Emma didn't accept polygamy she would be destroyed.

D&C 132
33 But if ye enter not into my law ye cannot receive the promise of my Father, which he made unto Abraham.

34 God commanded Abraham, and Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham to wife. And why did she do it? Because this was the law; and from Hagar sprang many people. This, therefore, was fulfilling, among other things, the promises.

35 Was Abraham, therefore, under condemnation? Verily I say unto you, Nay; for I, the Lord, commanded it.

36 Abraham was commanded to offer his son Isaac; nevertheless, it was written: Thou shalt not kill. Abraham, however, did not refuse, and it was accounted unto him for righteousness.

37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.

38 David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.

39 David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.

40 I am the Lord thy God, and I gave unto thee, my servant Joseph, an appointment, and restore all things. Ask what ye will, and it shall be given unto you according to my word.

41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed.

42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has committed adultery...

51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to prove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
Doctrine and Covenants 132
How many was he sealed to and how many was he married to?
 
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Those who are open to deception can't see truth.

As you say:
2 Nephi 28
31 Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.

Your religion is led by men; some are deceived, others are deceivers.
Those who do not keep the commandments don't have the Holy Ghost:
(New Testament | John 14:15 - 16)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

It is important to keep the commandments in order not to be deceived.
 
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So no matter from what source revelations come from Jesus in this day,
It is called the book of REVELATION. It is singular.

Peter, your lds religion opposes & contradicts what is written in the BIBLE.
The Lds theology believes in an infinite number of gods & on infinite universes, it says these "gods" that were all once humans.
The BIBLE says There is only ONE ETERNAL GOD and there is no other!!!!
Isaiah 46:9 " "For I AM GOD, there is no other God but Me, a righteous God and Savior; THERE IS NONE BUT ME!"
Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Mormon teachings believe that the god -Eloheim had sex with his goddess wife to produce Jesus. That contradicts what the Bible teaches - that JESUS the Son is Eternal begotten by the Holy Spirit.
The Bible says Jesus the Son of God was born to a virgin, it was a miraculous virgin birth and the Bible teaches that Jesus is eternally the Son of God.
Matt 1 22:"BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,"
which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Mormons are taught that Jesus was a created being--which contradicts the BIBLE scriptures. The Bible says Jesus is the Eternal Son & has always been with the Father. The BIBLE says of Christ Jesus in Colossians 1:17 "He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."
The Mormons are taught that lucifer is the brother of Jesus. That is False. It is not Biblical.
Satan was a created a cherubim. The Bible states about Lucifer: Ezekial 28: 14 "You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for I had ordained you. You were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 From the day you ( Lucifer) were created you were blameless in your ways until wickedness was found in you.…"(became named adversary- Satan)

The Bible states that the Lord Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN ETERNAL SON:
John 1: 18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God."
 
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That is right, but thank goodness that Jesus told prophets thousands of years later to tell us what happened in the garden. That is the value of living prophets.
Joseph Smith is in a place of torment awaiting final judgment of God for opposing the scripture and leading others to Hell.
 
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Those who do not keep the commandments don't have the Holy Ghost:
(New Testament | John 14:15 - 16)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
It is important to keep the commandments in order not to be deceived.
Oh pahleeze stop it. As hypocritical and dishonest words as I have ever seen. "Keeping his commands....is Just not true for the Mormons.
The "church" of Lds absolutely does not believe in God's word and does NOT keep His Commands!
The lds do not believe in the Eternal God of the Bible , nor His Eternal Son, Jesus Christ.
 
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Joseph Smith & later Brigham Y, created his own religion and their own scriptures.
Joseph Smith was a seducer , who incorporated into his teachings permission to keep a harem of women to have sex with. He taught people can be their own god! have sex infinitely with their goddess wife and have their own planet of people to worship them!
Really?.... that doesn't give people a heads up that it was an ungodly False teaching??
The highest heaven is one where the men become "god" and get to have infinite SEX with their goddess wife?
Sorry but seriously? The book of mormon is really more closely related to something out of a Playboy Mag fantasy.
It's time to get real. Speaking christian--eze does not make lds Christian any more then it made the Gnostics in the Bible christian. Christians are to guard against heresies and false teachers. They were warned to not let them who contradict scriptures into their churches.
1 Timothy 6:20-21
"O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you.
Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,” for by professing it some have swerved from the faith. Grace be with you."
 
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Those who do not keep the commandments don't have the Holy Ghost:

Those living followers of Christ have the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 15
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Romans 12
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.


(New Testament | John 14:15 - 16)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

It is important to keep the commandments in order not to be deceived.

It is important to have faith and grace and the Spirit to be able to follow Christ and to understand spiritual things. God gives all three.

We love Him because He FIRST loved us.

1 Corinthians 3
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
 
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Sorry but seriously? The book of mormon is really more closely related to something out of a Playboy Mag fantasy.

Book of Mormon, Jacob 2:
"Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.... For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none; For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
Jacob 2

When Mr. Smith wrote Doctrine and Covenants 132, he had evidently changed his mind.
 
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It is called the book of REVELATION. It is singular.

Peter, your lds religion opposes & contradicts what is written in the BIBLE.
The Lds theology believes in an infinite number of gods & on infinite universes, it says these "gods" that were all once humans.
The BIBLE says There is only ONE ETERNAL GOD and there is no other!!!!
Isaiah 46:9 " "For I AM GOD, there is no other God but Me, a righteous God and Savior; THERE IS NONE BUT ME!"
Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Mormon teachings believe that the god -Eloheim had sex with his goddess wife to produce Jesus. That contradicts what the Bible teaches - that JESUS the Son is Eternal begotten by the Holy Spirit.
The Bible says Jesus the Son of God was born to a virgin, it was a miraculous virgin birth and the Bible teaches that Jesus is eternally the Son of God.
Matt 1 22:"BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,"
which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Mormons are taught that Jesus was a created being--which contradicts the BIBLE scriptures. The Bible says Jesus is the Eternal Son & has always been with the Father. The BIBLE says of Christ Jesus in Colossians 1:17 "He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."
The Mormons are taught that lucifer is the brother of Jesus. That is False. It is not Biblical.
Satan was a created a cherubim. The Bible states about Lucifer: Ezekial 28: 14 "You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for I had ordained you. You were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 From the day you ( Lucifer) were created you were blameless in your ways until wickedness was found in you.…"(became named adversary- Satan)

The Bible states that the Lord Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN ETERNAL SON:
John 1: 18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God."
Again, instead of discussing the scriptures that I presented to you that proves that we are brothers of Jesus, you bad mouth Mormons. Can you not answer my challenge? Remember John 20:17?
Answer it or tell me you can't.
 
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JOHN 20:17

There are other places He calls God His God. In John 20:17 and Revelation 3:2,12, Jesus calls God "My God." Why would God call Himself "My God"? It has to do with Christ's relationship to His Father. Even though Christ is the eternal God Himself incarnate, He is still a different person from the Father. As a man and as man's representative (Son of Man), Jesus' person was dependent on the Father and, like us, looked to the Father for strength, guidance, wisdom, etc. Therefore, God the Father was the God of Jesus. The Father is the God of the Son, but it doesn't imply inferiority, only a difference in roles. Please also read our article on the Trinity.
If Jesus was God, why did He call God "My God?"

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You said: "Why do Mormons think Jehovah is Jesus?" Because the Bible states:

(Old Testament | Isaiah 49:26)

26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

(New Testament | Luke 2:11)

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

(New Testament | Acts 5:31 - 32)

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

You said: "Jehovah was not a created being. And as God, He wouldn't lie!" He did not lie:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 93:29 - 30)

29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.

Abraham and Moses prayed to Him!
 
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Book of Mormon, Jacob 2:
"Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.... For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none; For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
Jacob 2When Mr. Smith wrote Doctrine and Covenants 132, he had evidently changed his mind.
Brigham Young had 55 wives. The whole concept of polygamy has become an embarrassment to the Lds church & they try to distance themselves from it.
Not interested in the false teachings or back peddling of JS of Lds or any false religions attempts to justify --it's still opposing God's word.
The Bible is full of numerous stories of real people who were sinners--this doesn't mean we are to emulate their sins but we are to learn from these stories, what were the consequences of sin.

*King David and King Solomon did not invent their own religion giving themselves permission to break God's Commands as the false prophet Joseph smith did.
Diabolically , Joseph Smith elevated himself to equal with the HOLY SPIRIT who inspired the Bible. Joseph Smith essentially made himself his own Religion, announced himself as the founder/ Pope of it with & implemented his own religious beliefs & religious rituals & with special underwear.
Joseph smith's teachings try to piggy-back on scripture & at the simultaneously Contradicts it. CONTRADICT the BIBLE scriptures.
 
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Again, instead of discussing the scriptures that I presented to you that proves that we are brothers of Jesus, you bad mouth Mormons. Can you not answer my challenge? Remember John 20:17?
Answer it or tell me you can't.
I am saying what Mormons are taught and what are the teachings believed by the LDS/ Mormons.
I am not bad mouthing mormons themselves, but trying to open your eyes to the contradictions. Mormons , like JW's are deceived by following the teachings of a false prophet.
JS was a false prophet and he is awaiting God's judgment, according to the scriptures.
If you knew the Bible you would know how God's word speaks of serious wrath & judgment to be poured out upon those wolves in sheep's clothing who lead people astray, by opposing His Holy Righteous Truth as written in the Bible --but instead they preach Falsehoods & follow Satanic teachings.

THink: Who else was it who inspired JS to debase the Holy Eternal LORD GOD & to lower the high Holy Eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus Christ?
Who else would challenge scriptures? only the adversary --Satan who is the one who creates false religions and false spiritual teachings.

Showing that LDS OPPOSES and CONTRADICTS the BIBLE is not bad mouthing Mormons but stating the truth, & giving the Facts . I showed you with Scripture but you try to ignore the Bible scriptures by cherry -picking verses as you've been taught in LDS.
LDS is a cult and it is Not Christian, it rejects Christian foundational doctrines.
 
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JOHN 20:17

There are other places He calls God His God. In John 20:17 and Revelation 3:2,12, Jesus calls God "My God." Why would God call Himself "My God"? It has to do with Christ's relationship to His Father. Even though Christ is the eternal God Himself incarnate, He is still a different person from the Father. As a man and as man's representative (Son of Man), Jesus' person was dependent on the Father and, like us, looked to the Father for strength, guidance, wisdom, etc. Therefore, God the Father was the God of Jesus. The Father is the God of the Son, but it doesn't imply inferiority, only a difference in roles. Please also read our article on the Trinity.
If Jesus was God, why did He call God "My God?"

Explaining spiritual things to the blind results in negative comments.
Thank you for the discussion, I hope this is a basis for further disussion. You just couldn't control yourself though and throw in that final barb. Maybe you will get better at it as we have a mature discussion.

OK, you are right, God the Father is a different person than Jesus, and so Jesus could call him,
his God, without implying an inferior position, and that should not present a problem for anyone.

But there are 2 things that might present a problem.
1) Jesus also said, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, this is the part that proves that Jesus is our brother from the same Father. Please explain.

2) If Jesus is really ascending to his Father and God, then obviously God is a different person than Jesus and is in a completely different place than Jesus. Is this a problem for the Trinity? Please explain?
 
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I am saying what Mormons are taught and what are the teachings believed by the LDS/ Mormons.
I am not bad mouthing mormons themselves, but trying to open your eyes to the contradictions. Mormons , like JW's are deceived by following the teachings of a false prophet.
JS was a false prophet and he is awaiting God's judgment, according to the scriptures.
If you knew the Bible you would know how God's word speaks of serious wrath & judgment to be poured out upon those wolves in sheep's clothing who lead people astray, by opposing His Holy Righteous Truth as written in the Bible --but instead they preach Falsehoods & follow Satanic teachings.

THink: Who else was it who inspired JS to debase the Holy Eternal LORD GOD & to lower the high Holy Eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus Christ?
Who else would challenge scriptures? only the adversary --Satan who is the one who creates false religions and false spiritual teachings.

Showing that LDS OPPOSES and CONTRADICTS the BIBLE is not bad mouthing Mormons but stating the truth, & giving the Facts . I showed you with Scripture but you try to ignore the Bible scriptures by cherry -picking verses as you've been taught in LDS.
LDS is a cult and it is Not Christian, it rejects Christian foundational doctrines.
OK, I take this as you can't, thank you for your diatribe again. You need to take How-to-talk-to-Mormons 101 again.
 
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OK, I take this as you can't, thank you for your diatribe again. You need to take How-to-talk-to-Mormons 101 again.
If I didn't care about Mormons , I would not be giving so much of my time in this thread.
It is a delusion & deception Peter that you are under, because you refuse it when given scriptures, you refuse to reason. If you read for yourself the scriptures I gave you, & others, how do you justify the false teachings that oppose the Bible?
 
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Oh pahleeze stop it. As hypocritical and dishonest words as I have ever seen. "Keeping his commands....is Just not true for the Mormons.
The "church" of Lds absolutely does not believe in God's word and does NOT keep His Commands!
The lds do not believe in the Eternal God of the Bible , nor His Eternal Son, Jesus Christ.
Those who LOVE Jesus are the ones that keep the commandments, so people choose to LOVE Him or not LOVE Him:

(New Testament | John 14:21 - 24)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
 
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Those living followers of Christ have the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 15
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Romans 12
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

It is important to have faith and grace and the Spirit to be able to follow Christ and to understand spiritual things. God gives all three.

We love Him because He FIRST loved us.

1 Corinthians 3
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Once under grace it is worse for a person it they return to sin:

(Old Testament | Proverbs 26:11)

11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:20 - 21)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 7:8)

8 And thus six years had not passed away since the more part of the people had turned from their righteousness, like the dog to his vomit, or like the sow to her wallowing in the mire.

(New Testament | Hebrews 10:26)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
 
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