Is it a sin to befriend a gay person?

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Don't take it from me, take it from God.
"Do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore, whoever chooses to be a friend of the world renders himself an enemy of God."
James 4:4
Again, being friends with someone is not the same as approving of their every choice whether that be lifestyle food or clothing.
 
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Again, being friends with someone is not the same as approving of their every choice whether that be lifestyle food or clothing.
I just can't do it with people that try to justify it, say it's OK or perfectly natural or normal, and beyond that, even promote it so very strongly and so very much, and beyond that insist on shoving it in your face or rubbing your nose in it purposely and on purpose, ect... Just can't do it, for my own sake, and can't do it with anyone doing "that" with what I call and agree with God about that is "sin" to me, ect, lest I stumble and/or fall, ect...

God Bless!
 
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I don't think I did, but okay let's move on.
So tell me why you're hesitant to accept James 4:4 verbatim?

James 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Here's one obvious reason ^...it is saying that those who are those things,i.e., "Adulterers and adulteresses" are friends with the world, because they are that...it's not speaking of being friends with someone else who has that label. If you steal regularly you are a thief and, therefore, a friend with the world...you approve of and do sin. In this discussion it has already been established that the individual knows one is a Christian, knows that their sin is not condoned or practiced by the Christian, and they are still willing to be friends. In this case, for me, it is not a sin for me to befriend them. James 4:4 says nothing about being friends with someone who is friends with the world. And before you go into the whole, "you're guilty by association" spiel...you had better read some more of your Bible and learn what it says on the matter.
 
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I just can't do it with people that try to justify it, say it's OK or perfectly natural or normal, and beyond that, even promote it so very strongly and so very much, and beyond that insist on shoving it in your face or rubbing your nose in it purposely and on purpose, ect... Just can't do it, for my own sake, and can't do it with anyone doing "that" with what I call and agree with God about that is "sin" to me, ect, lest I stumble and/or fall, ect...

God Bless!

In that case...obviously,they are not befriending you so...doesn't apply to the topic.
 
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Also, do you need to read the entire chapter or bible to understand the verse, "do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc"?

Did I say I do those things? I think you need to understand that doing those things makes you friends with the world.
 
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I just can't do it with people that try to justify it, say it's OK or perfectly natural or normal, and beyond that, even promote it so very strongly and so very much, and beyond that insist on shoving it in your face or rubbing your nose in it purposely and on purpose, ect... Just can't do it, for my own sake, and can't do it with anyone doing "that" with what I call and agree with God about that is "sin" to me, ect, lest I stumble and/or fall, ect...

God Bless!
You have that right we can just agree to disagree.
 
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one thing that bothers me is how many Christians attacks people for being gay. You can say something is a sin but to make someone feel less than loved is not good way. Trying to make them less than feeling loved by God is wrong. I try to go with the path Jesus takes and befriend others. Not attack

If you don't befriend a sinner then you won't be friends with anyone, for 'All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God'. And 'There is no-one who does what is right, not even one'.

On the other hand in your friendship share the truth of the Gospel and God's Holy Word with the gay person. Not in a self-righteous sense, in a righteous sense. God Bless :)
 
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If you don't befriend a sinner then you won't be friends with anyone, for 'All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God'. And 'There is no-one who does what is right, not even one'.

On the other hand in your friendship share the truth of the Gospel and God's Holy Word with the gay person. Not in a self-righteous sense, in a righteous sense. God Bless :)
I can be friends with a sinner or sinners, just not one who don't even seem to be trying at all, and it is really quite the "major opposite" ect...

Those people I have trouble being friends with, I mean we basically have little to nothing in common anyway, don't know what we would do, how we would even hang out or socialize together, ect, ect...?

I just don't feel that were "compatible" even as just friends, ect...

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It’s not a sin to drink wine or alcohol. Unless someone has trouble
I see a lot of people having "trouble" with it, whether they will admit that or not... and I don't drink, and do not enjoy being around or hanging out with a bunch of rambunctious belligerent, obnoxious, ect, (other words I could use, but won't) "drunks", so...? To much drama and chaos, and, well, "drama", a lot of time, unnecessary drama if you ask me, we don't really have anything in common... Just not my social circle, nor my kind of social circle, or circles that I would choose to hang out with, ect...

God Bless!
 
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I can be friends with a sinner or sinners, just not one who don't even seem to be trying at all, and it is really quite the "major opposite" ect...

Those people I have trouble being friends with, I mean we basically have little to nothing in common anyway, don't know what we would do, how we would even hang out or socialize together, ect, ect...?

I just don't feel that were "compatible" even as just friends, ect...

God Bless!

As long as you don't reject someone because of prejudice, you don't have to be friends with them. That is especially true if they cause stumbling in you. We are supposed to cut ourselves down to the bone if a part of us keeps us from Redemption, so cutting off someone in a figurative sense is much less destructive, especially for the purposes of saving self.

Someone has already saved the world...we don't need to "save" sinners, but we can show each other a glimpse of real Life by following the Redeemer.
 
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As long as you don't reject someone because of prejudice, you don't have to be friends with them. That is especially true if they cause stumbling in you. We are supposed to cut ourselves down to the bone if a part of us keeps us from Redemption, so cutting off someone in a figurative sense is much less destructive, especially for the purposes of saving self.

Someone has already saved the world...we don't need to "save" sinners, but we can show each other a glimpse of real Life by following the Redeemer.
Thank You,

God Bless!
 
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Here's one obvious reason ^...it is saying that those who are those things,i.e., "Adulterers and adulteresses" are friends with the world, because they are that...it's not speaking of being friends with someone else who has that label. If you steal regularly you are a thief and, therefore, a friend with the world...you approve of and do sin. In this discussion it has already been established that the individual knows one is a Christian, knows that their sin is not condoned or practiced by the Christian, and they are still willing to be friends. In this case, for me, it is not a sin for me to befriend them. James 4:4 says nothing about being friends with someone who is friends with the world. And before you go into the whole, "you're guilty by association" spiel...you had better read some more of your Bible and learn what it says on the matter.

"Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good character.”
1 Corinthians 15:33

James is writing to Christians. He calls them adulterous people, because they are in sin (but still Christian), which interlaces with their friendship of the world. They are in sin, because their sin is either directly or indirectly a result of friendship with the world (unbelievers).

"You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God."

James is not saying, "a friend of sin". He is saying, a "friend of the world". Sin and world are not synonymous in this case.
Sin: transgression of the law.
World: inhabitants of earth (in context refers to unbelievers).

"You are my friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you." John 15:14-15

How many unbelievers do what Jesus commands? Which is: repent and be baptized? Therefore, Jesus is not friends with unbelievers.
 
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And what did He command them/you?
We'll get to that after you address the verse, in regards to what we were originally debating.
Which is, are Christians to be friends with unbelievers?
Jesus says: no.
 
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Pointing out another persons perceived flaws is something that mandates a relationship of trust, and it's only fair that trust must be earned. If you aren't willing to actually be engaged and authentically vulnerable towards other people, you have no business criticizing them.
 
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We'll get to that after you address the verse, in regards to what we were originally debating.
Which is, are Christians to be friends with unbelievers?
Jesus says: no.

I've addressed the verse several times. It's obvious that we do not see the same thing so...


*Shalom.
 
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