Is sexual promiscuity solely the arena of more liberal Christianity?

Athanasius377 said:

So let me ask the question; what is the solution in behavior? I submit that one solution is to marry early so one does not burn with passion. What say ye? The reason I state the former is because I believe that young people were not made to live so long chaste in the single state.

What does CF think?

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Well marriage early is something people would do when I was younger. I'm sure that would be helpful. Yet the problem appeared to be the beliefs of the young people today. They're being taught apparently that it's no big deal if they have sex outside of marriage. Meaning they're not taking the bible at face value or chastity and marriage as a serious thing, leading to divorce, sex outside of marriage, etc. Then a solution is to reverse that process and teach traditional Christian values. Which is probably difficult when their media exposure is teaching the opposite, not to mention their peers at school re-enforcing that behavior Christian schools are a good compliment probably.

redleghunter said:

No it was not if you meant sexual purity. There’s a Grand Canyon between water pots to wash hands and implying Jesus and His apostles did not teach to flee sexual immorality.

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The gap is between the outer court and inner court. Laver and Holy place.

Athanasius377 said:

Ok. But do you think that it maybe more of a problem in more conservative Christian or orthodox Christian circles than we might want to believe? If not why or why not?

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I believe it's very prevalent among unbelievers and liars who claim to be Christians. And true Christians aren't living that way because they love Jesus. I believe there are non-Christians in many or most churches.

This is STUPID:

"Hannah sees absolutely nothing wrong with her strong Christian belief and extramarital sex. This apparent contradiction goes unexplained, but I suspect that her views are the majority of Christian views in America today."

buzuxi02 said:

Societies that have or (had) success in curbing pre-marital sex made sure they gossiped and had no problem accusing a loose woman of being loose. Compare 1960's Italy or Greece with today., Those people made sure their sons didnt end up with some loose women as they would be given all sorts of well deserved labels. Today the loose and the players are celebrated.

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It seems odd that posters have ok’d their own promiscuity when younger but condone those same women when they are older. Very odd reasoning in this thread.

hedrick said:

I don't think CF rules permit me to answer that question.

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CF rules prohibit anyone from affirming sexual immorality as Holy living that is true.

So the only way I can gather your statement is as long as the polls have some wiggle room it’s permissible.

Cimorene said:

No, it's not.

The states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are:

• New Mexico.
• Arkansas.
• Mississippi.
• Oklahoma.
• Texas.
• Louisiana

Those states also have a high % of ppl claiming to be Christians.

• (TIE) Kentucky, Arkansas, and Alabama — 3.7 divorcesper 1,000 people. ...
• Idaho — 3.9 divorces per 1,000 people. ...
• Wyoming — 4 divorces per 1,000 people. ...
• Oklahoma — 4.1 divorces per 1,000 people. ...

Same as before, a huge % of these red states claim to be Christians.

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How do those statistics inform you?

Is the fact most of those states have divorces and teen pregnancies inform you they are all Christians, many Christians or few Christians?

Do proclaimed Christians from those states ignoring Biblical morals make it alright?

Athanasius377 said:

I would also mention to those who have not read the article it may also be a point to discuss how Christians are on a show where non-Christian ethics are showcased.

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I think I addressed that in bringing up the Luke character should have known better.

hedrick said:

It's a matter of motivation. Purity is a property of you. You feel good when you're "pure." Jesus' position is that we don't get any credit for what we do; we're just doing what we were ordered. See Luke 17:7. There are two pastoral dangers. One is that it can lead to self-righteousness. The other is that when someone falls, they feel they've lost their purity, and some may give up.

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Yes but that is not what we are dealing with as regarding the OP.

It’s still an unnecessary dichotomy as Apostolic teachings say thus:

1 Thessalonians 4: NASB

1Finally then, brethren, we request and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us instruction as to how you ought to walk and please God (just as you actually do walk), that you excel still more. 2For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is,that you abstain from sexual immorality;4that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.8So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.

LaBèlla said:

But that isn’t the Lord’s intention. She knows her purpose and is following His directives. Marriage will come later.

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In what way is her sexual immorality following God’s directives.

In fact we are told:

3For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is,that you abstain from sexual immorality; (1 Thessalonians 4:3)

LaBèlla said:

She isn’t fornicating. I responded to your comment about not being ready for marriage. She’s 28 and building a business. Her plate is full.

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Hannah admitted to having sexual relations in the wind mill. How is that not fornication?

hedrick said:

I already talked about why there's a problem. Traditional sexual ethics are in many ways the product of ancient cultures: the need to have clear identification of parents, the fact of young marriages, the lack of decent birth control. But I don't think we should just say "do whatever you want." As I noted, churches haven't even started to talk about this. So I don't have any specific proposals. I think, however, the the current situation is close to giving no guidance at all. When you reiterate teachings that both you and the people you're talking to know people don't follow, you're basically giving up. In effect you're leaving them to do whatever they want. I have problems with a lot of the results, particularly the number of children growing up in situations where they aren't going to be raised properly. But if "just say no" was going to work, it would have done so already.

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How about discussing and teaching young people what Christ and His Apostles actually taught? Would this not present them with God’s Will and Purpose?

Phoebe Ann said:

"Hannah sees absolutely nothing wrong with her strong Christian belief and extramarital sex."

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Does she have a "strong Christian belief"? Apart from "Jesus loves me," what are her beliefs, exactly?

redleghunter said:

In what way is her sexual immorality following God’s directives.

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We got our wires crossed. My daughter is abstinent.

LaBèlla said:

What do you do? Parents need to talk with their children. Not to them. Cease to hide behind masks of perfection and respectability. If you want them to open up; you need to open too and be honest about your failures and imperfections.

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I think that is an important first approach. Yes we need to tell them “been there, know the temptations” and also that we are flawed human beings and by nature children of wrath. They need to know that “we” did not “get where we are” on our own merits but that while we were still sinners Christ died for us. He’s the one who quickened us and loved us first. Yes these discussions should be based on the Gospel of Grace not Mt Sinai with the billowing smoke and fire and “do not approach.” It should be based on the covenant of Mt Zion on the Rock which is Christ.

Athanasius377 said:

I agree and that is the premise I am arguing against.

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Ah the society developed by man and industrialized society vs the society and economy of God?

hedrick said:

The PCUSA actually did an analysis in 1989. However the results were too radical even for us. The most interesting idea was that people who are unable to find a spouse should become secondary husbands or wives to someone else. I'm reluctant to use that report as a basis for sexual ethics.

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Did the Mormons do the study for the PCUSA?

mnphysicist said:

Conservative US Evangelicals are big on moral therapeutic deism, especially so when it comes to preaching about sexual moral values...

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Never heard of this. Could you expand on this a bit more?

LaBèlla said:

We got our wires crossed. My daughter is abstinent.

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I’m sorry I thought you were speaking of Hannah in the article.

buzuxi02 said:

Kids??? what about the adults??? Its ok for them? Divorced people can shack up as pre-marital sex implies certain age limits and prerequisites?
It's not the Chutch's role to police morality it's the government and the media's job and society as a whole. Unfortunately they have given that up.but still complain about single motherhood, std's, abortion rates, deadbeat dads etc.
The title of the OP used the title sexual promiscuity yet most in this very thread have been conditioned to say liberal christianity shuns sexual promiscuity but not pre-marital sex. Some posters in here then equate the sinful type of premarital sex to occur between teens but not adults as if it becomes ok after a certain age or divorce.

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Kids rarely understand consent, rarely understand reproductive science / birth control, have raging hormones, and are often easy manipulated into sexual activity. Thus to prevent unwanted pregnancy, STD's and limit abortion rates and the number of deadbeat dads, this is where the greatest focus needs to be. But no matter how good the end goal is, evil should never be done to achieve it (this includes white lies etc, but also practices which set the stage for marital dysfunction/divorce down the road).

Promiscuity is problematic at any age... but how many promiscuous 40 year olds are there compared to 18 year olds? And even if they are, say after a divorce or failed relationship, it tends to get old pretty fast and they come to their senses in short order.

As far as older unmarried couples go, even most secular folks know you can't build a relationship on sex alone so its self limiting, unlike the case of an 18 year old with raging hormones.

Thus the primary focus should be on kids and young adults.

As far as the tv show goes... yep, thats problematic, but in the big scheme of things its pretty minor. She's likely read the scriptures, and likely just like her church, pastor, and most of Christen society have chosen to do something else. Until we get the sexual immorality issues (idolatry of the family, idolatry of purity, adultery, divorce, marital rape, and pastoral and pew inappropriate content problems) within the church fixed, I'm guessing said logs obscure the vision to clearly help... thus serious discussions of this rarely if ever occur.

LoreneDD said:

It seems odd that posters have ok’d their own promiscuity when younger but condone those same women when they are older. Very odd reasoning in this thread.

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Where did someone point that out?