Is sexual promiscuity solely the arena of more liberal Christianity?

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I would also mention to those who have not read the article it may also be a point to discuss how Christians are on a show where non-Christian ethics are showcased.
 
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Thanks for the response yet I can affirm being married almost 15 years I wasn’t ready for marriage. I think there in lies the problem. And yes I think both conservative Christians as well as more liberal have a sinful view of sexuality.

But that isn’t the Lord’s intention. She knows her purpose and is following His directives. Marriage will come later.
 
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Yes why the dichotomy
It's a matter of motivation. Purity is a property of you. You feel good when you're "pure." Jesus' position is that we don't get any credit for what we do; we're just doing what we were ordered. See Luke 17:7. There are two pastoral dangers. One is that it can lead to self-righteousness. The other is that when someone falls, they feel they've lost their purity, and some may give up.
 
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It's a matter of motivation. Purity is a property of you. You feel good when you're "pure." Jesus' position is that we don't get any credit for what we do; we're just doing what we were ordered. See Luke 17:7. There are two pastoral dangers. One is that it can lead to self-righteousness. The other is that when someone falls, they feel they've lost their purity, and some may give up.
Ok, I see the point on pastoral dangers. What about pastoral dangers on the other side? What’s the solution or rather one you think maybe helpful?
 
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But that isn’t the Lord’s intention. She knows her purpose and is following His directives. Marriage will come later.
In what way? Fornication is forbidden. What do you mean?
 
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In what way? Fornication is forbidden. What do you mean?

She isn’t fornicating. I responded to your comment about not being ready for marriage. She’s 28 and building a business. Her plate is full.
 
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And Hedrick I am really want to know what you think here. Perhaps I am missing something here or misunderstood you.
I already talked about why there's a problem. Traditional sexual ethics are in many ways the product of ancient cultures: the need to have clear identification of parents, the fact of young marriages, the lack of decent birth control. But I don't think we should just say "do whatever you want." As I noted, churches haven't even started to talk about this. So I don't have any specific proposals. I think, however, the the current situation is close to giving no guidance at all. When you reiterate teachings that both you and the people you're talking to know people don't follow, you're basically giving up. In effect you're leaving them to do whatever they want. I have problems with a lot of the results, particularly the number of children growing up in situations where they aren't going to be raised properly. But if "just say no" was going to work, it would have done so already.
 
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I already talked about why there's a problem. Traditional sexual ethics are in many ways the product of ancient cultures: the need to have clear identification of parents, the fact of young marriages, the lack of decent birth control. But I don't think we should just say "do whatever you want." As I noted, churches haven't even started to talk about this. So I don't have any specific proposals. I think, however, the the current situation is close to giving no guidance at all. When you reiterate teachings that both you and the people you're talking to know people don't follow, you're basically giving up. In effect you're leaving them to do whatever they want. I have problems with a lot of the results, particularly the number of children growing up in situations where they aren't going to be raised properly. But if "just say no" was going to work, it would have done so already.
Fair enough. But I do think there is a solution.
 
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She isn’t fornicating. I responded to your comment about not being ready for marriage. She’s 28 and building a business. Her plate is full.
The show has formication implicit in the fantasy rooms. So I would ask do you think marriage has a place since she is on a show that should end in marriage even if her plate is full?
 
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The show has formication implicit in the fantasy rooms. So I would ask do you think marriage has a place since she is on a show that should end in marriage even if her plate is full?

I think we're confusing each other. :)

I have never watched the show though I’m familiar with it. A lot of it is staged and I’m not certain she’s truly a Christian. They may have been going for a controversial storyline. It wouldn’t be the first time.

That isn’t my daughter.
 
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A solution that only works for a few die-hard conservatives is better than nothing, but I'd like something better.
That’s not what I am saying. Throwing ones arms up and giving up isn’t an answer. Float a possible solution.
 
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I think we're confusing each other. :)

I have never watched the show though I’m familiar with it. A lot of it is staged and I’m not certain she’s truly a Christian. They may have been going for a controversial storyline. It wouldn’t be the first time.

That isn’t my daughter.
I agree. The details were in the article. So the rules I am referring to are based on the show.
 
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There is no solution to this dilemma. Christians will continue being hipocrites. The societies we control all condone it, we prize the separation of church from state, we condone having a firewall between our secular lives and our religious lives. We condone romance, we condone people getting married much later in life. We condone the making of money and the importance of career and college and vacations over creating families, etc.
 
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There is no solution to this dilemma. Christians will continue being hipocrites. The societies we control all condone it, we prize the separation of church from state, we condone having a firewall between our secular lives and our religious lives. We condone romance, we condone people getting married much later in life. We condone the making of money and the importance of career and college and vacations over creating families, etc.
Thanks for the reply. I would disagree. Recall the early Christians were faced with both idolatry and sexual promiscuity yet they kept themselves obedient or pure as a rule. Not to say they were perfect. Rod wrote a book about how Christians will need maintain this standard. I agree with him.
 
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I agree. The details where in the article. So the rules I am referring to are based on the show.

In that case, the underlying message is it’s okay to have premarital sex if you’re Christian. She’s just the messenger. I expect you’ll see more progressive messages along similar. It’s meant to erode the faith.

What do you do? Parents need to talk with their children. Not to them. Cease to hide behind masks of perfection and respectability. If you want them to open up; you need to open too and be honest about your failures and imperfections.

Young adults are struggling with singleness. Most congregations don’t have an answer. Look at the forum here. There’s pain, questions, uncertainty and loneliness. Nobody notices. After a while they stop caring and seek comfort where available.

They’re the ones you need to reach. They’re trying.
 
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In that case, the underlying message is it’s okay to have premarital sex if you’re Christian. She’s just the messenger. I expect you’ll see more progressive messages along similar. It’s meant to erode the faith.

What do you do? Parents need to talk with their children. Not to them. Cease to hide behind masks of perfection and respectability. If you want them to open up; you need to open too and be honest about your failures and imperfections.

Young adults are struggling with singleness. Most congregations don’t have an answer. Look at the forum here. There’s pain, questions, uncertainty and loneliness. Nobody notices. After a while they stop caring and seek comfort where available.

They’re the ones you need to reach. They’re trying.
Fair enough. But is trying to grow crops in the desert the answer? Or maybe our ancestors had it right or perhaps there’s another solution.
 
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That’s not what I am saying. Throwing ones arms up and giving up isn’t an answer. Float a possible solution.
I don't claim expertise in all areas. I'm not an ethicist, and I haven't seen any serious proposals in our church. Believe it or not, when I make postings on theology or the Bible, they're based on significant investigation. I also don't have the kind of pastoral experience I'd want to understand the kinds of things that happen to people who live in various ways. I have pretty high expectations about how we make ethical decisions.
 
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I don't claim expertise in all areas. I'm not an ethicist, and I haven't seen any serious proposals in our church. Believe it or not, when I make postings on theology or the Bible, they're based on significant investigation. I also don't have the kind of pastoral experience I'd want to understand the kinds of things that happen to people who live in various ways.
Thanks for the response. I can appreciate what you are saying. That why I wanted to discuss the post.
 
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