Leaked Diplomatic cable

Cimorene · Jul 20, 2019

variant said:
Yeah but you don't leak the real assessment, you leak the fake one.

That's what I meant.

Allandavid · Jul 20, 2019

SavedByGrace3 said:
No selling uranium to the Russians in Trump admin. Obama did that.

No...he didn’t.

That’s so ...sad...

Albion · Jul 20, 2019

zephcom said:
<chuckle> You mean, "Donny doesn't play well with other students", "Donny learns a little slower than his peers", or "Donny's aide wasn't on duty that day"?

No. Obviously no. We were working on the question of what is expected of any ambassador during the tenure of any head of state.

zephcom · Jul 20, 2019

Albion said:
No. Obviously no. We were working on the question of what is expected of any ambassador during the tenure of any head of state.

It is NOT up to us to decide what is expected of another nation's ambassador to report to his/her superiors. At some point it is going to be in our best interest to grasp the concept that we don't 'own' the entire planet.

Manifest Destiny was only a pipe dream. It is not real. We are NOT God's chosen people and it is NOT our role to tell the rest of the world how to live. It is NOT the world's responsibility to worship our presidents.

We need to do this BEFORE the rest of the world bands together and shuts us down.

Albion · Jul 20, 2019

zephcom said:
It is NOT up to us to decide what is expected of another nation's ambassador to report to his/her superiors.

That's right. We are referring to longstanding, well-established expectations, no matter who happens to be the ambassador and who is the head of state.

This one took a chance with violating those expectations and, although he might have gotten away with it, he had the bad luck to have run into a leaker, so he paid the price for his carelessness. Some other ambassador would likely have experienced the same result if he had been in the same situation.

cow451 · Jul 20, 2019

Bladerunner said:
Think that is what I said

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zephcom · Jul 20, 2019

Albion said:
That's right. We are referring to longstanding, well-established expectations, no matter who happens to be the ambassador and who is the head of state.

This one took a chance with violating those expectations and, although he might have gotten away with it, he had the bad luck to have run into a leaker, so he paid the price for his carelessness. Some other ambassador would likely have experienced the same result if he had been in the same situation.

Your 'longstanding, well-established expectations' are not any older than about two weeks ago when our thin skinned president and his thin skinned fan boys got their feelings hurt over a leaked document.

Ambassadors have only one responsibility...to be the eyes and ears for their nation about the nation they are assigned to. Trump would know this if he would appoint ambassadors and use them as they are designed.

Politics is a game for grown-ups who are able to contain their emotions and not fly off the handle at every perceived slight to their egos. Some times the best interest of the nation is being able to swallow one's pride and do the right thing for the nation.

TLK Valentine · Jul 20, 2019

zephcom said:
Your 'longstanding, well-established expectations' are not any older than about two weeks ago when our thin skinned president and his thin skinned fan boys got their feelings hurt over a leaked document.

Ambassadors have only one responsibility...to be the eyes and ears for their nation about the nation they are assigned to. Trump would know this if he would appoint ambassadors and use them as they are designed.

Politics is a game for grown-ups who are able to contain their emotions and not fly off the handle at every perceived slight to their egos. Some times the best interest of the nation is being able to swallow one's pride and do the right thing for the nation.

In all fairness, Darroch was right to resign. Not for thinking Donald's an imbecile -- who doesn't? -- but for allowing the memos to that effect to get leaked.

wing2000 · Jul 20, 2019

Albion said:
Baloney. The controversial remarks were almost totally in the realm of opinion and characterizations. What's more all of them could have been stated, if that was necessary, using dignified language rather than what was chosen instead.

You really don't understand the job of an Ambassador do you?

TLK Valentine · Jul 20, 2019

Albion said:
I see. You consider it standard operating procedure for an ambassador to make a confidential report along with gratuitous personal insults directed at the head of state of the nation to which he has been sent as the representative of his own government.

That's very interesting. I can accept that you might mean this is not uncommon, but that is not the point at all. It is hardly appropriate behavior in an ambassador.

It's not only appropriate, but expected for an Ambassador to relay reports to his superiors regarding their personal assessments of the character, trustworthiness, stability, reliability, and even competence of the heads of state that their nations are expected to deal with.

"President/ Prime Minister/King ___________ expressed an interest in offering ______ in exchange for ________, but it is my opinion that we should not pursue this diplomatic avenue because....

I'm sure there's proper diplomatic language for "he's full of it," "he's nutty as a fruitcake," or "he's a total clown," but the sentiment will be there.

In extreme situations, even the most composed ambassador can be privately overwhelmed... and the diplomatic language is momentarily forgotten... and replaced with harmless locker room talk.

TLK Valentine · Jul 20, 2019

timothyu said:
A leaked diplomatic cable has shown a UK ambassador call Trump 'clumsy and inept', causing an uproar. Is this opinion a national secret?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-uk-ambassador-kim-darroch-1.5202997

More like an open secret.

TLK Valentine · Jul 20, 2019

wing2000 said:
You really don't understand the job of an Ambassador do you?

Probably confused the title of "ambassador" with "sycophant" -- a common enough mistake in any occupation that involves dealing with Donald.

Bladerunner · Jul 20, 2019

cow451 said:
A poster acknowledges the wealth of prophetic information provided.

thank you?

Blade

cow451 · Jul 20, 2019

Bladerunner said:
thank you?

Blade

You’re welcome?

TLK Valentine · Jul 30, 2019

Albion said:
No. Obviously no. We were working on the question of what is expected of any ambassador during the tenure of any head of state.

And what is expected is to relay to their superiors a full and honest assessment of foreign heads of state, to best advise their superiors on proper policy decisions.

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