How Hard Determinism turns God into the devil and Grace into a myth.

Neogaia777 said:

God of the OT could see a lot, A LOT, and knew/knows a great great deal of a lot, and very, very many things, and has a lot of foresight, a lot... but "did not have foresight past or beyond choices He did not know, or that had not been decided for sure yet or at that time"...

Christ was the end of all of that though, and He fully knows all now... They all do now, ect...

God Bless!

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You know, I used to be a JW, a long, long time ago... I would not be welcomed there anymore... Not that I would want to go back anyway, but just saying...

Tell me I don't know Him...

They do not... They do not even know the God they worship, but I do... And He knows me, and we know each other... Just tell me that I don't...

Tell me that I don't know "Them", for that is also where JW's fail and fall short also...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

I thought I was pretty clear...?

Whatever God/god is your Father/father, it is not possible for you not to be doing their will, ever... We can only change our Father/father's or our fathers or our sonship(s), and only if the "Highest Father" wills it and has willed it from the very beginning... And all other "wills" are wrapped up in or are fully encompassed in that Ones will, and so it is impossible, quite literally impossible, ever, to ever go against or not do that Ones will, ever, forever...

God Bless!

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That all assumes the one "will" you are referencing is his eternal plan, as opposed to his given command. There's a huge difference.

Mark Quayle said:

That all assumes the one "will" you are referencing is his eternal plan, as opposed to his given command. There's a huge difference.

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What "command"...? To Love...? I don't see what that has to do with it or what I was saying or talking about...?

God Bless!

I'm sorry. I thought it was rather obvious.

You said it is impossible to go against God's will. I agree, if by that you are referring to his eternal plan. But it is obvious we go against his will (his command) every day.

To conflate the two causes quite a bit of confusion and consternation and even provides some unbelievers with reason to mock believers. In fact, one of the side issues is related to this confusion, wherein a person wonders how it can be possible for God to be Love, and yet the most horrible things imaginable happens to people "who never deserved it." including God wiping out whole nations.

I have even heard from mockers and believers alike that "if this is God's will" then "I am being obedient by disobeying."