Loving Jesus enough to obey Him ensures salvation

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OK, now how many dozens of NT verses ...
would you like me to give you and ask you to read?

You don't need to copy/paste your dozens of verses that support your point of view. You've done that plenty of times in your numerous threads on this topic. Others have also provided you with dozens of verses that don't agree with your point of view, and you continually argue with people to no end. So the answer to your question (as long as you don't want to answer people directly) is zero.
 
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People somehow seem to think that if someone stops being faithful, that they were never a Christian to begin with.

That is false. Simply because in one example:

Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I really love how God, through the men chosen by God, had written scripture. It is so simple. It is written at the 6-8th grade reading level, and easy to understand. You don't need a scholar or a bachelor degree. Twelve year old children can grasp its meaning.

This scripture in Hebrews 6 here, clearly shows it speaks of Christians who actually were Christians. Hebrews is in fact written to Christians; the audience is Christians in the book of Hebrews. Therefore, this warning is applied to Christians, who actually are Christians, contrary to what you have been taught.

In conclusion, you have twisted the meaning of 1 John 2:19 to imply something that just isn't so.

Well if you did your sixth-8th grade research you would find this verse h as nothing to do with salvation, or with Gentiles as a matter of fact! Context and word studies show that as well as the timing of the letter and the impending judgment oin Israel for committing the unpardonable sin.

But let me ask ytou a question. Have you ever sinned willfully since you accepted Christ as Savior?

We all have and you are no different. Then according to your means of interpretation you are now hopelessly lost!

Hebrews 10:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

any sin you committed since you were saved that you agreed to do in your heart- caused you to be lost forever!!!!!!!!!

Now if you wish to hear the real truth of these passages- I am more than willing to show what thjey truly mean beyond just the words of the pages!

Salvation is conditional.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

That is conditional sir. You can't stand there and tell me it isn't.

Person has ability to obtain everlasting life...

HOW?

That whoever believes in Him....

It's a condition. I see a lot of conditional scripture sir. I can give you examples all day long.

"Believe", whether it's English or Greek, it's still a verb. An action word. It means you actually have to do something. I would highly recommend Hebrews 11 (maybe tie in with James 2:14-26; James 1:22-25)

Yes salvation is based on one and only one condition as Jesus declared to the Pharisees- that we believe (place our trust, confidence and reliance) on the death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus for all our sins (not most as you believe) . there is no other work needed to save an individual! all other "good" works are just a simple result of being made a new creature! Sir!


Believe and be baptized....

That is another condition that everyone needs to meet.

I will read any other post you direct toward me, but honestly, if we will continue to disagree, then we should stop here for now. Thank you, and good day to you.

I noticed you used the section of Mark that was never found in any manuscript before the 8th century.

But have you obeyed verse 15?

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

If not why are you disobedient?
 
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Scriptures tell us to use unleavened bread and fruit of the vine for the Lords Supper. It doesn't tell use to NOT to use anything else, but does that mean it's okay to do anything else other than that?

Actually you will not find a verse saying that! You will find verses telling us what to eat at a passover Seder and we use unleavened bread and wine because Jesus was explaining the parts of the passover seder with the particular piece of bread aqnd that certain cup of wine eaten and drank at Passover!
 
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Wherever I go, I say that I have reconciled
the so-called OSAS NT verses
with the NT verses opposed to OSAS.
But very very few ask how they are reconciled.

Either they throw up their hands and say it's impossible,
or they don't want to hear it (for whatever reason).
And they remain is the state of spiritual ignorance
... ignoring/rejecting dozens of NT warning verses.
 
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I believe Prevenient Grace is the best way to harmonize what Scripture says as whole on this topic. Prevenient Grace is the belief that God draws men at certain times to see and understand the gospel so as to choose it or reject it of their own free will. Without this illumination or drawing by God, a person cannot understand the gospel. For in the Parable in the Sower, we learn that the first seed did not even understand the gospel message. The devil stole the seed out of their heart before they could understand it. So there are times where a person can hear the gospel and not understand it because they have not been drawn by God yet. But God will draw all men unto Him in His timing, though.

And that would be incorrect. That is an old Catholic theology and found its way in protestantism through Armenian theology.

An unsaved man has no free will to be able to choose God. Paul made that clear in Romans 8 and ! Corinthians. Even Jesus verified this

John 6:65
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no mancan come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

We in our sin nature can nor ever would desire to get saved!
 
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Jesus agrees with the lawyer on the truth that we must love God and love our neighbor as a part of inheriting eternal life in Luke 10:25-28. Jesus tells the rich young ruler that if he will enter into life, keep the commandments; These commandments were in reference to the Moral Law, like: Do not steal, do not covet, do not murder, etc. (See: Matthew 19:17-19). Granted, while we are not saved by "Works Alone Salvationism" (Without God's grace), Jesus and His followers did appear to also teach that we need to obey His commands as a part of having eternal life or salvation, too.

John says if a person hates their brother, they are like a murderer, and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him (1 John 3:15). So I fail to see how you can read the Bible and ignore these parts of Scripture. If you don't ignore them, then how do you explain them in light of the context and or cross references?

It is not ignoring them, but understanding them them in the light of the whole New testament, and especially the way they used the verbs concerning salvation.

Jesus said He would never leave us- so if a person turns their back on Jesus- it doesn't matter, He doesn't leave,


A saved person was saved before the foundation of the world! doing good works and avoiding bad works are simply an outward sign of what has already taken place inside! We cannot and dare not keep count of good or bad works to think aboyut one is saved or not!

Every verse on salvation is always unconditional and eternal and secure.
 
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You don't need to copy/paste your dozens of verses that support your point of view. You've done that plenty of times in your numerous threads on this topic. Others have also provided you with dozens of verses that don't agree with your point of view, and you continually argue with people to no end. So the answer to your question (as long as you don't want to answer people directly) is zero.
Great, now here's another challenge for you to ignore:
Would you like to see how all the verses are reconciled?
 
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Great, now here's another challenge for you to ignore:
Would you like to see how all the verses are reconciled?

Challenge accepted.
 
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If they were "never of us", they never received anything from God that could be taken away.

YOu are correct!

That is why Jesus spoke of the wheat and tares- the tares were never wherat though they looked just like wheat for a long time.

That is also why Jesus will say to some- I NEVER KNEW YOU, not I knew you once but don't know you now!

Paul called them wolves in sheep clothing.
 
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Well if you did your sixth-8th grade research you would find this verse h as nothing to do with salvation

Sir, you leave me quite speechless, really. I marvel at how one can not read the text of Hebrews and not see that the WHOLE book is speaking to Jewish Christians who were being warned of their falling away by returning to the Mosaic law. It indeed DOES pertain to salvation. They are being warned that should they return to the old law, they will be lost.

But let me ask ytou a question. Have you ever sinned willfully since you accepted Christ as Savior?

We all have and you are no different. Then according to your means of interpretation you are now hopelessly lost!

The context is to HEBREWS, written to JEWISH CHRISTIANS. They are warned not to "trample" Christ underfoot by returning to the old law.

The Hebrew writer is writing to Jewish Christians who were falling into apostasy by returning to a practice of Judaism. By their lives and their actions they were “trampling under foot the Son of God.” This is not a description of ignorant sin, or sin as a result of a moment of weakness, or even willful sin, but this is a reference to apostasy, or “falling-away.” When you have completely fallen away from Christ it is impossible for the blood of the covenant to have it’s cleansing effect.

Another piece of scripture that people like to twist up. I mean really? It's titled Hebrews. It's chalk FULL of warnings. Enough said.

Yes salvation is based on one and only one condition as Jesus declared to the Pharisees- that we believe (place our trust, confidence and reliance) on the death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus for all our sins (not most as you believe) . there is no other work needed to save an individual! all other "good" works are just a simple result of being made a new creature! Sir!

James 1
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass

James 2
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?


26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


I noticed you used the section of Mark that was never found in any manuscript before the 8th century.

But have you obeyed verse 15?

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

If not why are you disobedient?

I love how when people don't want to obey the "be baptized" part, they claim it is not part of scripture.

Here is a article about that. Whether you read it or not, your choice, but it does reply back to your suppose "not part of scripture" thought.

The Assault upon Mark 16:16

As far as Mark 16:15, this proves yet again you just cant follow the grammar and context.

Who is Jesus talking to when He said that in v15?

If your answer was the "eleven"(v14) apostles, you are correct. If not, I suggest you read it again. THEY were to go unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

Which Paul did claim to do in Colossians 1:23.

So, in conclusion, Jesus told the "eleven"(v14) to "go into the world and preach the gospel"(v15). He told them that "He who believes AND is baptized is saved"(v16).
 
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Actually you will not find a verse saying that! You will find verses telling us what to eat at a passover Seder and we use unleavened bread and wine because Jesus was explaining the parts of the passover seder with the particular piece of bread aqnd that certain cup of wine eaten and drank at Passover!

Wrong.

The bread used for communion is unleavened, following the example of our Lord in Matthew 26:26-29 (and parallel passages). Jesus used the unleavened bread of the Passover. The following passages demonstrate the use of "unleavened" bread:

Mt 26:17
"Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?"

Mark 14:1
"Now the Passover and Unleavened Bread were two days away; and the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to seize Him by stealth and kill Him;"

Mark 14:12
"On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, "Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?"

Luke 22:1
"Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching.

Luke 22:7
"Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.

Acts 12:3
"When he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also. Now it was during the days of Unleavened Bread.

Acts 20:6
"We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and came to them at Troas within five days; and there we stayed seven days.

Like I said, scripture describes that is what to use for communion. Just because it doesnt say to NOT use meat or soda, doesnt mean we should. Law of exclusion. Scripture didnt have to tell us not to when it stated what we are to use.
 
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Yes, I realize we are not under the Old Covenant and it's commands. However, the principle behind how God operates remains the same. God is not going to radicatlly change in the way He deals with people between covenants besides the changing of the Laws. Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed. It does not say that God and His good character has changed. Besides, I also provided an NT verse to prove my case, as well. Hebrews 10:26 says that if we willfully sin after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin.

Correct and Jews were not saved by adherence to the Mosaic Laws!

Philippians 2:13 does not undo what Philippians 2:12 says. Again, you are not reading and believing Philippians 2:12 that says that we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Why all the trembling if it is not talking about fear? There is no need to fear God if you can sin and still be saved by having a belief alone on Jesus. You can live life however you like. No need to fear.

And this is the standard answer I have heard for over 40 years from those who do nto understand what takes place at Salvation!

Yes, I believe in Prevenient Grace. But Calvinism's Unconditional Election is not biblical.

So then list the conditions that are required before one came come to Christ!

Philippians 2:13 does not undo what Philippians 2:12 says. Again, you are not reading and believing Philippians 2:12 that says that we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Why all the trembling if it is not talking about fear? There is no need to fear God if you can sin and still be saved by having a belief alone on Jesus. You can live life however you like. No need to fear.

And you forget that every time the word salvation appears it is not soteriological!!! If we have to work to maintain our salvation- then Jesus is not enough and we are not saved according to Eph. 2:8-10

And if a saved person can lose their salvation then they had no part in this verse: Eph. 1:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

and before you go into the word "should" it is "einai" and means to be! It is also in the present infinitve which means it is a fact and not a conditional!
 
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You seem to have missed what I was pointing out. Again, why was the father waiting for his "dead" son if the son was considered to be "dead and buried", as you put it? If you lose a loved one, attend their funeral and watch them be buried, do you sit and watch for them to come back home as the father in the parable did?

Come on now. "Death, and lost" spiritually speaking. Jesus said “let the dead bury their dead” (Matthew 8:22). How can the dead bury their own dead? It is talking about those who are unsaved (spiritually dead) physically burying their own physical family who has physically died.

1 Timothy 5:6 says, “But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.”

The believing widow who lives in pleasure is spiritually dead while she physically lives.

So the Prodigal Son was spiritually dead to his father even though he was physically alive. For what does “dead” and “alive again” mean to you? What reference can you use in the Bible to support your interpretation on the words “dead” and “alive”?

You said:
As for being "brainwashed" forever, what are you referring to?

I am talking about the OSAS myth that says that once a person is a genuine believer, they will automatically in time live somewhat more holy and or they will have a desire to follow the Lord. They will not fall away from the faith or God’s grace. But we are told to continue in the grace of God, continue in the faith, and to continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (like the Jews).
 
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Challenge accepted.
It centers around what "believe" must mean
simply because of what the NT teaches us!
True saving belief/faith must include obedience.
True saving belief/faith must refer to continuing belief
since it is a present tense imperative verb.
And there's more.
 
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It is sad to read these post. And how bad peoples understanding, of how to receive eternal life, is today.

Lets see a person can loose their eternal life but they can get it back by repenting.
But of course they do not have to believe, trust in The Messiah a second time (like a person does the first time, to receive eternal life) to again receive eternal life the second time.

They now have to repent of their sins the second time around to re receive eternal life. What is required if there is a third time, or a fourth time. Do you have to be baptized again.

And the amazing thing is people say the Bible teaches this. What a incongruous set of beliefs are represented in this topic thread

Baptism is a one-time event. Baptism cleanses original (Adam's) sin from a person's soul. Romans 5:12 , Romans 5:16, Romans 5:19 This cleansing of original sin from the person's soul now makes it possible for the person to have hope that he will inherit eternal life. Titus 3:7 Before Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, no human could enter into the third heaven to be with God the Father. John 3:13

Baptism also removes the person's personal sins that are on his soul at the time of his baptism. Acts 22:16

After baptism, when a person sins a mortal sin, he loses his salvation because the Holy Spirit does not remain/abide in a person who has sinned a mortal sin. Acts 5:32, Hebrews 10:29-31
, John 15:5-10

1 John 5:16-17
If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. rsv

Examples of mortal sins which cause the loss of salvation:

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death. rsv

Ephesians 5:5-7
Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not associate with them, rsv

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
But you yourselves wrong and defraud, and that even your own brethren.
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. rsv

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. rsv

Colossians 3:5
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. rsv

Matthew 6:15
but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. rsv

1 Timothy 5:8
If any one does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. rsv

So what must a person do to regain his salvation after he has committed a mortal sin and lost his salvation?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. rsv John 20:19-23


Acts 26:19-20
Wherefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20 but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. rsv

Ezekiel 33:12-15 shows us that when a righteous man commits a mortal sin, he is no longer righteous. He becomes wicked because of his sin. "Yet if he turns from his sin and does what is lawful and right, 15 if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, committing no iniquity; he shall surely live (he shall enter into eternal life after his physical death), he shall not die (he shall not enter into the second death after his physical death)." Revelation 21:8

 
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Baptism is a one-time event. Baptism cleanses original (Adam's) sin from a person's soul. Romans 5:12 , Romans 5:16, Romans 5:19 This cleansing of original sin from the person's soul now makes it possible for the person to have hope that he will inherit eternal life. Titus 3:7 Before Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, no human could enter into the third heaven to be with God the Father. John 3:13

Baptism also removes the person's personal sins that are on his soul at the time of his baptism. Acts 22:16

After baptism, when a person sins a mortal sin, he loses his salvation because the Holy Spirit does not remain/abide in a person who has sinned a mortal sin. Acts 5:32, Hebrews 10:29-31
, John 15:5-10

1 John 5:16-17
If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. rsv

Examples of mortal sins which cause the loss of salvation:

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death. rsv

Ephesians 5:5-7
Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not associate with them, rsv

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
But you yourselves wrong and defraud, and that even your own brethren.
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. rsv

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. rsv

Colossians 3:5
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. rsv

Matthew 6:15
but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. rsv

1 Timothy 5:8
If any one does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. rsv

So what must a person do to regain his salvation after he has committed a mortal sin and lost his salvation?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. rsv John 20:19-23


Acts 26:19-20
Wherefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20 but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. rsv

Ezekiel 33:12-15 shows us that when a righteous man commits a mortal sin, he is no longer righteous. He becomes wicked because of his sin. "Yet if he turns from his sin and does what is lawful and right, 15 if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, committing no iniquity; he shall surely live (he shall enter into eternal life after his physical death), he shall not die (he shall not enter into the second death after his physical death)." Revelation 21:8
So Christ guaranteed no ones salvation according to your doctrine rt? Is Christ alone sufficient to save sinners?
 
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Baptism is a one-time event. Baptism cleanses original (Adam's) sin from a person's soul. Romans 5:12 , Romans 5:16, Romans 5:19 This cleansing of original sin from the person's soul now makes it possible for the person to have hope that he will inherit eternal life. Titus 3:7 Before Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, no human could enter into the third heaven to be with God the Father. John 3:13

Baptism also removes the person's personal sins that are on his soul at the time of his baptism. Acts 22:16

After baptism, when a person sins a mortal sin, he loses his salvation because the Holy Spirit does not remain/abide in a person who has sinned a mortal sin. Acts 5:32, Hebrews 10:29-31
, John 15:5-10

1 John 5:16-17
If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. rsv

Examples of mortal sins which cause the loss of salvation:

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death. rsv

Ephesians 5:5-7
Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not associate with them, rsv

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
But you yourselves wrong and defraud, and that even your own brethren.
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. rsv

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. rsv

Colossians 3:5
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. rsv

Matthew 6:15
but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. rsv

1 Timothy 5:8
If any one does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. rsv

So what must a person do to regain his salvation after he has committed a mortal sin and lost his salvation?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. rsv John 20:19-23


Acts 26:19-20
Wherefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20 but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. rsv

Ezekiel 33:12-15 shows us that when a righteous man commits a mortal sin, he is no longer righteous. He becomes wicked because of his sin. "Yet if he turns from his sin and does what is lawful and right, 15 if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, committing no iniquity; he shall surely live (he shall enter into eternal life after his physical death), he shall not die (he shall not enter into the second death after his physical death)." Revelation 21:8
Welcome, Jan ...
Are there many Catholics who are into the word like you are?
I do disagree with you on baptism, however.
E.G. It doesn't remove sins.
 
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It centers around what "believe" must mean
simply because of what the NT teaches us!
True saving belief/faith must include obedience.
True saving belief/faith must refer to continuing belief
since it is a present tense imperative verb.
And there's more.

I see the word “belief” as meaning “belief,” but if we truly believe in someone or trust them, we will do what they say (Especially if they are our Lord). For Jesus says, “why do you call me Lord, Lord if you do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46).

Works (or right actions) is the proof that one truly trusts God. James says I will show you my faith by my works (James 2:18).
 
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Welcome, Jan ...
Are there many Catholics who are into the word like you are?
I do disagree with you on baptism, however.
E.G. It doesn't remove sins.
Was John the Baptist (Mark 1:4) and Peter (Acts 2:38) wrong about remission of sin?
I think not.
 
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Baptism is a one-time event. Baptism cleanses original (Adam's) sin from a person's soul.
Where is "original sin" in the bible?
And why is God suddenly charging us with another man's sin?

After baptism, when a person sins a mortal sin, he loses his salvation because the Holy Spirit does not remain/abide in a person who has sinned a mortal sin. Acts 5:32, Hebrews 10:29-31, John 15:5-10
Where in the bible are different kinds of rebellion against God assigned differing punishments?

1 John 5:16-17
If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. rsv
A "sin unto death" is one a man doesn't repent of.
 
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