does god hate satan?

lambofgod43985889 said:

does god hate satan?
this question came to my mind, google says me yes and not

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Our God hates Satan like He hates sin. Nevertheless He Loves even Satan because YHWH is Love and there is now where that escapes His Love.

DavidPT said:

Another way to look at some of these things, had God not created everything in the manner He did, none of these things could have ever happened to anyone to begin with. Such as the biggest majority of mankind being cast into the lake of fire in the end. Why even create these things to begin with, where it not only involves suffering in this life, but suffering in the next life as well, in regards to the biggest majority of mankind being cast into the lake of fire in the end, if He already knew that before He created things?

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In what manner do you suggest He should have done it?

DavidPT said:

Obviously though, the saints that end up living with Him forever, He loves them with a passion. What does this say about the ones that don't live with Him forever, but are cast into the lake of fire instead? Is God able to love, but not able to hate as well?

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God is not able to love, God is love.

DavidPT said:

I doubt that applies to any wicked actually in hell though.

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God is omnipresent.

DavidPT said:

Another way to look at some of these things, had God not created everything in the manner He did, none of these things could have ever happened to anyone to begin with. Such as the biggest majority of mankind being cast into the lake of fire in the end. Why even create these things to begin with, where it not only involves suffering in this life, but suffering in the next life as well, in regards to the biggest majority of mankind being cast into the lake of fire in the end, if He already knew that before He created things?

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Because creating only people who love you is not really love.

One of the greatest modern assaults on God's character comes from professing Christians who argue that wrath and hatred are contrary to a good and loving God. Instead of magnifying God's love, they fashion an idol who is passive and indifferent towards evil. The truth is God loves what is good and He hates what is evil. King David wrote to that effect when he wrote:

• Psalm 5:4 For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; no evil dwells with You
• Psalm 7:11 God is a righteous judge, and a God who has indignation every day.

Aabbie James said:

One of the greatest modern assaults on God's character comes from professing Christians who argue that wrath and hatred are contrary to a good and loving God. Instead of magnifying God's love, they fashion an idol who is passive and indifferent towards evil. The truth is God loves what is good and He hates what is evil. King David wrote to that effect when he wrote:

• Psalm 5:4 For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; no evil dwells with You
• Psalm 7:11 God is a righteous judge, and a God who has indignation every day.

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"The wrath of God" is part of God's love, not a separate entity.

"'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live"

Aabbie James said:

One of the greatest modern assaults on God's character comes from professing Christians who argue that wrath and hatred are contrary to a good and loving God. Instead of magnifying God's love, they fashion an idol who is passive and indifferent towards evil. The truth is God loves what is good and He hates what is evil. King David wrote to that effect when he wrote:

• Psalm 5:4 For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; no evil dwells with You
• Psalm 7:11 God is a righteous judge, and a God who has indignation every day.

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God does not see evil.....and does not dwell in it, as the verse states. He has the power to look beyond all faults, like no human can...

God IS love. And God loves His creation.

But that doesn't mean He takes pleasure in all things people (or angels/demons) do. It doesn't mean He approves of everything. And it doesn't mean He will forever allow all things.

A human parent who loves his child must sometimes restrain him from doing evil, for example, for the child's own good, or for the sake of other children he loves. When God puts an end to evil, it will be no different. Restraining evil doesn't require hatred.

mmksparbud said:

In what manner do you suggest He should have done it?

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What about a manner such as the NHNE will be? There will be no more suffering and evil during that time, right? Meaning in regards to the ones who will be dwelling there forever. Why not just make and keep it like that to begin with?

God's righteous and holy character demands nothing less than hostile opposition to every form of evil. It follows that those made in His image would also hate what is evil and love what is good:

• Romans 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good.
• 1 Thessalonians 5:21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

Because "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" (Proverbs 9:10), it follows that "the fear of the Lord is to hate evil" (Proverbs 8:13).

David Cabrera said:

"The wrath of God" is part of God's love, not a separate entity.

"'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live"

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You're repeating what I just said. Glad you agree...

David Cabrera said:

God is omnipresent.

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If God is literally everywhere like you appear to assume, that should mean God is literally in blades of grass, is literally in carpet fibers, is literally in coffee grounds, is literally in sewage, so on and so on. Because if He is not literally in all of these places, then He's not literally omnipresent in the sense you are taking it to mean. There's other ways for God to be omnipresent without Him literally having to be everywhere physically. He can be everywhere via His creation, via His angels, etc. It might be like cameras and satellites today. The government can be in more than one place at the same time via things like these, yet this doesn't mean they are literally physically present in all of these places.

David Cabrera said:

Because creating only people who love you is not really love.

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I don't disagree with that, yet what about all the people who don't end up loving Him? It's not their fault they came to be in this world. It might be their fault that they chose the wrong path, yet had they not even existed to begin with, there would have been no wrong path for them to have taken.

This discussion arises because of a basic misunderstanding of what Love is that comes about because of a problem in the English language. We do not have a word in English for ἀγάπη, agapē, and so we translate it as love and so equivocate it with emotional responses that are also called love.
The problem is that while the opposite of our loving emotional responses is hate, the opposite of agape Love is not hate but indifference.

DavidPT said:

If God is literally everywhere like you appear to assume, that should mean God is literally in blades of grass, is literally in carpet fibers, is literally in coffee grounds, is literally in sewage, so on and so on. Because if He is not literally in all of these places, then He's not literally omnipresent in the sense you are taking it mean. There's other ways for God to be omnipresent without Him literally having to be everywhere physically. He can be everywhere via His creation, via His angels, etc. It might be like cameras and satellites today. The government can be in more than one place at the same time via things like these, yet this doesn't mean they are literally physically present in all of these places.

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That is why He sent His Spirit. He cannot be physically present in more than one place at one time but by His Spirit within us He is present where ever we who have His Spirit within us are.

Anguspure said:

That is why He sent His Spirit. He cannot be physically present in more than one place at one time but by His Spirit within us He is present where ever we who have His Spirit within us are.

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Good point.

Aabbie James said:

You're repeating what I just said. Glad you agree...

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Good, needed some clarification.

DavidPT said:

If God is literally everywhere like you appear to assume, that should mean God is literally in blades of grass, is literally in carpet fibers, is literally in coffee grounds, is literally in sewage, so on and so on. Because if He is not literally in all of these places, then He's not literally omnipresent in the sense you are taking it to mean. There's other ways for God to be omnipresent without Him literally having to be everywhere physically. He can be everywhere via His creation, via His angels, etc. It might be like cameras and satellites today. The government can be in more than one place at the same time via things like these, yet this doesn't mean they are literally physically present in all of these places.

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"Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee." (Psalm 139:7-12)

DavidPT said:

I don't disagree with that, yet what about all the people who don't end up loving Him? It's not their fault they came to be in this world. It might be their fault that they chose the wrong path, yet had they not even existed to begin with, there would have been no wrong path for them to have taken.

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You are just disagreeing with me.