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We seemed to have some fun last week when I asked and compared Coptic prayer of the hours to the EO, so I figured I would try something similar on a social issue.
Years ago, I got some conflicting information about the Eastern Orthodox take on birth control (in marriage).

1) Before I was married in the Coptic Church, my fiancee and I went through an Eastern Orthodox marriage counseling book that my fiance picked up when we visited the Concilliar press book store (that was in the area where my parents lived). I'm having trouble identifying that book, It had a couple wearing wedding crowns on the cover (maybe a title like "Lord make them One"). Anyway on the subject, I recall the viewpoint expressed matched the Coptic one listed below in the article concerning point 7.
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2) I however talked to an online friend who was an Antiochian deacon (later attended saint Vladimir's seminary and became a priest for the Antiochians and served a few years with an OCA parish in Alaska). He said that the Eastern Orthodox position was not that clear. Things varied greatly, from bishop to bishop. He said "some bishops are more strict than Catholics" (Something I didn't think was possible).



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I've had some other conversations on the topic that I'm going to include that I think they are interesting. The biggest point, is when talking about the topic online the Coptic position on the topic has received a lot of criticism especially from Catholics, where Copts and EO (who have the same viewpoint) are accused of being modernized or maybe Protestantized on the subject. Typically Church Fathers are vehemently quoted etc. I brought the subject up on Coptic Church.net years ago and we had a really good discussion. One poster made a great comment that stuck with me. "In the same way, we do not interpret the Scriptures Alone, we likewise do not interpret the Church Fathers Alone." (We discussed some of the things going on in the times of the Fathers). And of course we talked how the Coptic Church did approach the issue in a Early Church Concilliar way etc.
 

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It would be interesting to know the document that the books section was based on that seemed identical to the Coptic position. I suppose perhaps someone could have written an entry based on their local bishop or jurisdictions position and assumed that was how the rest of your Church saw things.
 
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probably, something like this, when applied in real life, is really up to the bishop and the priest and what they know about the married couple coming to ask about it. that being said, the standard is no contraception.
 
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also just a note on that article - IUDs work similarly to oral contraceptives. One function is to prevent fertilization. From that point of view, not much different than barrier methods. However, if you read about IUDs they say that in "the vast majority of cases" it works that way. Which, in other words, means that sometimes it causes fertilized ova/embryo to be unable to attach to the uterine wall, much like oral contraceptives.
 
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Actually ... if I'm not mistaken an IUD would not be a "contraceptive" in that it doesn't prevent conception (fertilization of an egg) as oral contraceptives do (since they prevent release of an ovum). But IUDs rather prevent implantation, so ... from a theological standpoint are slightly along the spectrum towards abortion. They don't prevent life from beginning, but prevent it from being able to continue. (I say spectrum only because many fertilized eggs don't implant anyway for other reasons and those would not be affected - but each one that would have otherwise is then prevented from having its life supported.)

I hope that doesn't sound harsh.
 
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The chief problem is when people start thinking like Philadelphia lawyers, asking, "What can we get away with?" rather than "How should we see sexual relations in the first place?". They begin looking at any and every possibility that MIGHT excuse something as a radical exception for someone, then seek ways in which they, too, can be exceptional. We want to say, "Well, that standard is good and right for most people (maybe), but it's not right for me."
 
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Actually ... if I'm not mistaken an IUD would not be a "contraceptive" in that it doesn't prevent conception (fertilization of an egg) as oral contraceptives do (since they prevent release of an ovum). But IUDs rather prevent implantation, so ... from a theological standpoint are slightly along the spectrum towards abortion. They don't prevent life from beginning, but prevent it from being able to continue. (I say spectrum only because many fertilized eggs don't implant anyway for other reasons and those would not be affected - but each one that would have otherwise is then prevented from having its life supported.)

I hope that doesn't sound harsh.
No you are correct, at least the way IUD's used to work.
 
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It's a pastoral issue (not a Christological one) where eikonomia can be granted. Oikonomia should be the exception not the rule.
Only it’s not an exception anymore, as I indicated. It is now the rule and being taken for granted that it *ought* to be granted (tautology necessary here, I think).
 
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It is impossible to understand either the New Testament doctrine on marriage, or the very consistent practice of the Orthodox Church without seeing Christian marriage in the context of the Eucharist... The very notion of marriage as a sacrament presupposed that a man is not only a being with physiological, psychological, and social functions, but that he is a citizen of God's Kingdom, i.e., that his entire life, and especially its most decisive moments, involve eternal values and God Himself.—John Meyendorff From "
Marriage: An Orthodox Perspective"
 
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For some time, my husband and I tried to wait for children. We had some important reasons, such as my husband receiving a diagnosis of cancer. Thank God he is cancer free now! That said, I wish we didn’t wait so long. I am getting into my upper 30s and we have struggled for years with no success. I wish we had started trying earlier!

My point for saying this is that all too often, we have come up with reasons to delay having children - and sometimes that hurts the possibility of us being parents. I pray that someday we may join the ranks of parents, though I’m thankful we are godparents!

I also am so glad that procreation is not the only reason for marriage. We all need to serve God in the ways we are able to do so.
 
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