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by mocking instead? And that is supposed to make people respect you? Go ahead see how that works out.
I’m not too worried about other people respecting me when it comes to my responses to you, gradyll, although evidently there are people who appreciate them. The respect I have in this community comes from my earnest approach to serious discussions and my willingness to learn, not my sense of humor. No, unless you can come up with something we haven’t already covered ad nauseam, my responses to you will be geared toward entertaining.

If you want people’s respect, you have to show some humility. I haven’t seen that from you, and that’s probably a big part of why no one — not even fellow Christians — takes you seriously here.
 
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well there are several assumptions here. How do you know that map is correct, did you walk it out and verify it? I am talking about all of it, not just your usual routes, because that is how a GPS works.

Yes, because when Google made Google Maps, they made it just for me. No one else uses it.

IT usually takes off the beaten path.

Citation required.

Secondly, how do you know it calculated your route correctly? Did you verify it by external unbiased and provable source? Or do you have faith that the last time you used it it worked out ok?

Because it takes me by the direct roads instead of having me wandering around backroads for hours.

You do understand it shows a diagram of the entire route, yes?

And you confirm that you have faith later, "I can tell they're accurate directions because I end up at the place I am trying to get to." So you trust it. You have faith in it. Trust is faith remember that.

No, it literally requires zero faith. If I tell it to give me directions to my friend's house, say, and I start from my house and end up at my friends house, I do not require faith at all. This is because I see that my friend actually lives there. I conduct an actual test. Or do you think I get to my friend's place, say to myself, "I guess this is where my friend lives," then turn around and go home?

actually some schools forbid cell phone use because of this very thing, hospitals, airports and other sensitive areas too. It is well documented about cell phone radiation. Wifi is worse, but the new 5G is nearly as bad.

Because the electromagnetic waves that phones emit can interfere with sensitive equipment, not because it harms people. Like I said, there is zero reliable evidence that mobile phones cause harm to Humans.


Yeah, I'll wait for the peer reviews. Many times people have complained enough to get perfectly safe things pulled because they erroneously think that they are harmful.

that source said non ionizing radiation from microwaves is not harmful too. Which is very innacurate. IF you stuck your head right by the microwave door and sat there for 5 hours for example it would be lit up like a christmas tree with radiation. which they say is perfectly harmless, but not according to this peer review: https://www.researchgate.net/profil...s-of-Cell-Phone-Radiation-on-Human-Health.pdf

First of all, what nut goes around holding their head to a micro weave for five hours?

Secondly, your source states: "It implies that the usage of a cell phone is more than 16 hours a day." So people are using their phones for every single second of their waking hours? Or do they just forego sleep altogether?

In any case, the website your source is on, Researchgate, is essentially a social media site, not a scientific journal. It does not require fees to publish and is not peer reviewed. In other words, essentially ANYONE can put whatever they want up there.

now this is not what you said earlier, you quoted a govenrnment site that said microwave radiation was harmless. But I showed a peer review showing otherwise. You are correct here however, the closer to the head the phone is the more radiation you get. Likewise with a microwave.

"There is no established evidence that microwave ovens cause any health effects when used according to the manufacturer's instructions and maintained in good working order." SOURCE

Y
our source was most definitely NOT peer reviewed.
https://www.arpansa.gov.au/understa...ources/more-radiation-sources/microwave-ovens
yes and each time you do it, you are trusting that it will do it again. One time I turned on my GPS, it didn't turn on at all. But I had faith it would, and my faith was wrong. Yes I can say that God exists empirically based on evidence that I know is true, and relay able to anyone who wants, even a child could understand.

Wow, you sure love committing the false equivalence logical fallacy, doncha?

And your conclusion about God is most certainly NOT empirical. You have no objective evidence to support it.

just reply to post one.

Fine.

You said:

"Many people try to prove God's existence with irreducible complexity. But you don't even need to do that. All that is needed is this.... If you have a painting how do you prove there was a painter? It's inherent. If you see something made how do you prove there was a maker that made it? It's inherent. We don't even need to go into intelligence or creationism. I am simply talking about cause and effect. If you see something made, it had a maker, if you see something painted it had a painter. The universe is here. So it boils down to the fact that it made itself from nothing, or something made it. Period. The maker on the other hand would be supernatural, and prexisted time and space. So there was no beginning to the maker. Time is a physical property that requires mass to operate according to Einsteins theory of relativity. If a maker was supernatural (beyond the physical universe), then it would naturally follow that He was beyond time as well. Because of the fact He superseded the physical universe."
This is just the first cause argument, which has been debunked thoroughly. However, since you demand it, I shall debunk it again.

A painter takes pre-existing pigments, pre-existing canvas and a pre-existing brush to create the painting. Every other example you could use has the same limitation: a sculptor uses pre-existing stone and pre-existing tools. All creators take things that already exist to create their works.

So tell me, what pre-existing material did God use to create the universe?

If you claim there was no pre-existing material, then your analogy fails.
 
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by mocking instead? And that is supposed to make people respect you? Go ahead see how that works out.

I respect him more than I respect you so his method seems to be working.

I'm sure that if we made a poll asking people who is more convincing you would have a hard time getting anyone to vote for you bud.
 
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I respect him more than I respect you so his method seems to be working.

I'm sure that if we made a poll asking people who is more convincing you would have a hard time getting anyone to vote for you bud.
I’m not too worried about other people respecting me when it comes to my responses to you, gradyll, although evidently there are people who appreciate them. The respect I have in this community comes from my earnest approach to serious discussions and my willingness to learn, not my sense of humor. No, unless you can come up with something we haven’t already covered ad nauseam, my responses to you will be geared toward entertaining.

If you want people’s respect, you have to show some humility. I haven’t seen that from you, and that’s probably a big part of why no one — not even fellow Christians — takes you seriously here.
Most of Christianity is a hoax, they just want better pews, more converts and better bands in church. Jesus is about holiness. so anyone who knows me understands that fellow christians views of me dont matter. As far as pride in debate I have admitted I was wrong twice this week alone. But I have never heard you say you were wrong. So I am sorry if I don't take your threats seriously. And I have defeated athiesm, evolution, etc, etc, etc with Gods wisdom via logic alone. Just using logic that God has revvealed through rational debate. I would love to repeat that to you, but you won't hear it. You know you can't refute it because I have challenged numerous times, only for you to mock and belittle instead of debate. So I appreciated your debate at first because you were polite, and that was all I asked. Then somethin happened. I think it was the day I admitted I don't care if athiests come to know the Lord or not. I think God knows all of our hearts, the ones who humble themselves and seek Him. Only those will see Him. The others don't want God and will come up with every excuse not to see Him. I think it's because they love the darkness. When light comes they hate the light. Your very anger in this post shows you hate the light. God hides his gospel from many people for the purpose they will not believe. Because if they believe God will have to save them, so He encodes the gospel to them , it was called parables. Then He would give the interpretation not to fellow believers but to diciples who left all to follow Him. Only those who were worthy.

because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Romans 1:21‭-‬22 NKJV

Rom 11:7
What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Rom 11:8
Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

Rom 11:9
And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.

Rom 11:10

Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

‘Go to this people and say: “Hearing you will hear, and shall not understand; And seeing you will see, and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.” ’
Acts 28:26‭-‬27 NKJV


Many would stop following Christ all together after some of Christ's sermons. That is why I speak of Hell fire, and all the things that repulse athiests. So only those who are worthy will see through the fog. God would rather have a silver dollar than a hundred pennies. He want quality not quantity. So while yes it hurts me that you guys don't like me, I understand why you dont. But I realize it's not me but God you are rejecting. The light He represents. Don't get me wrong, I have shared the true gospel and all it entails a few times, just to cast a net out on these threads. And you know what you said about it? You said it was just emotionalism. And I knew you would reject it. But I still put it out there in vulnerability. I don't even pray for people here. It's a waste of time. I pray for my words and I have prayed for one or two in the past that have shown a true openess. You may look at it as hatred, it's not. It's just that if I pray you may change your mind, and God is using you to bring worthy people in and test the weak by bringing the weak out. So we are really doing the same thing. We are actually on the same side. You call it lessening the christian influence, I call it purifying a worldly church. I think it's funny that you think you are hurting God when it's only by His will you are here.
 
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Most of Christianity is a hoax, they just want better pews, more converts and better bands in church. Jesus is about holiness. so anyone who knows me understands that fellow christians views of me dont matter. As far as pride in debate I have admitted I was wrong twice this week alone. But I have never heard you say you were wrong. So I am sorry if I don't take your threats seriously. And I have defeated athiesm, evolution, etc, etc, etc with Gods wisdom via logic alone. Just using logic that God has revvealed through rational debate. I would love to repeat that to you, but you won't hear it. You know you can't refute it because I have challenged numerous times, only for you to mock and belittle instead of debate. So I appreciated your debate at first because you were polite, and that was all I asked. Then somethin happened. I think it was the day I admitted I don't care if athiests come to know the Lord or not. I think God knows all of our hearts, the ones who humble themselves and seek Him. Only those will see Him. The others don't want God and will come up with every excuse not to see Him. I think it's because they love the darkness. When light comes they hate the light. Your very anger in this post shows you hate the light. God hides his gospel from many people for the purpose they will not believe. Because if they believe God will have to save them, so He encodes the gospel to them , it was called parables. Then He would give the interpretation not to fellow believers but to diciples who left all to follow Him. Only those whi were worthy. Many would stop following Christ all together after some of Christ's sermons. That is why I speak of Hell fire, and all the things that repulse athiests. So only those who are worthy will see through the fog. God would rather have a silver dollar than a hundred pennies. He want quality not quantity. So while yes it hurts me that you guys don't like me, I understand why you dont. But I realize it's not me but God you are rejecting. The light He represents. Don't get me wrong, I have shared the true gospel and all it entails a few times, just to cast a net out on these threads. And you know what you said about it? You said it was just emotionalism. And I knew you would reject it. But I still put it out there in vulnerability. I don't even pray for people here. It's a waste of time. I pray for my words and I have prayed for one or two in the past that have shown a true openess. You may look at it as hatred, it's not. It's just that if I pray you may change your mind, and God is using you to bring worthy people in and test the weak by bringing the weak out. So we are really doing the same thing. We are actually on the same side. You call it lessening the christian influence, I call it purifying a worldly church. I think it's funny that you think you are hurting God when it's only by His will you are here.
Bro. Paragraphs. Learn to break them up. Nothing in your wall of text is worth addressing, but the wall itself is a problem. Just hit the “enter” or “return” button twice every time you jump subjects.
 
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Yes, because when Google made Google Maps, they made it just for me. No one else uses it.



Citation required.



Because it takes me by the direct roads instead of having me wandering around backroads for hours.

You do understand it shows a diagram of the entire route, yes?



No, it literally requires zero faith. If I tell it to give me directions to my friend's house, say, and I start from my house and end up at my friends house, I do not require faith at all. This is because I see that my friend actually lives there. I conduct an actual test. Or do you think I get to my friend's place, say to myself, "I guess this is where my friend lives," then turn around and go home?



Because the electromagnetic waves that phones emit can interfere with sensitive equipment, not because it harms people. Like I said, there is zero reliable evidence that mobile phones cause harm to Humans.



Yeah, I'll wait for the peer reviews. Many times people have complained enough to get perfectly safe things pulled because they erroneously think that they are harmful.



First of all, what nut goes around holding their head to a micro weave for five hours?

Secondly, your source states: "It implies that the usage of a cell phone is more than 16 hours a day." So people are using their phones for every single second of their waking hours? Or do they just forego sleep altogether?

In any case, the website your source is on, Researchgate, is essentially a social media site, not a scientific journal. It does not require fees to publish and is not peer reviewed. In other words, essentially ANYONE can put whatever they want up there.



"There is no established evidence that microwave ovens cause any health effects when used according to the manufacturer's instructions and maintained in good working order." SOURCE

Y
our source was most definitely NOT peer reviewed.


Wow, you sure love committing the false equivalence logical fallacy, doncha?

And your conclusion about God is most certainly NOT empirical. You have no objective evidence to support it.



Fine.

You said:

"Many people try to prove God's existence with irreducible complexity. But you don't even need to do that. All that is needed is this.... If you have a painting how do you prove there was a painter? It's inherent. If you see something made how do you prove there was a maker that made it? It's inherent. We don't even need to go into intelligence or creationism. I am simply talking about cause and effect. If you see something made, it had a maker, if you see something painted it had a painter. The universe is here. So it boils down to the fact that it made itself from nothing, or something made it. Period. The maker on the other hand would be supernatural, and prexisted time and space. So there was no beginning to the maker. Time is a physical property that requires mass to operate according to Einsteins theory of relativity. If a maker was supernatural (beyond the physical universe), then it would naturally follow that He was beyond time as well. Because of the fact He superseded the physical universe."
This is just the first cause argument, which has been debunked thoroughly. However, since you demand it, I shall debunk it again.

A painter takes pre-existing pigments, pre-existing canvas and a pre-existing brush to create the painting. Every other example you could use has the same limitation: a sculptor uses pre-existing stone and pre-existing tools. All creators take things that already exist to create their works.

So tell me, what pre-existing material did God use to create the universe?

If you claim there was no pre-existing material, then your analogy fails.
I am bookmarking this for later reply, I am out of time for today. I hope you understand.
 
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Bro. Paragraphs. Learn to break them up. Nothing in your wall of text is worth addressing, but the wall itself is a problem. Just hit the “enter” or “return” button twice every time you jump subjects.
I don't care about that. I added a bunch of verses, check them out, why God blinds people.
 
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I don't care about that. I added a bunch of verses, check them out, why God blinds people.
I don’t care about Bible verses. I care about coherent, well-formatted replies. It shows self-awareness and respect for one’s audience. Apparently you have neither of those.
 
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I don’t care about Bible verses. I care about coherent, well-formatted replies. It shows self-awareness and respect for one’s audience. Apparently you have neither of those.
I know, I know. I am the rudest, dumbest guy on the face of the planet. We all heard all of your complaints. However whenever you wish to actually debate, and get out of the dark, I am here. (those verses are just proving that what you do here on CF, is all part of God's greater plan.....so good job), keep hatin on Him.
 
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I know, I know. I am the rudest, dumbest guy on the face of the planet. We all heard all of your complaints. However whenever you wish to actually debate, and get out of the dark, I am here. (those verses are just proving that what you do here on CF, is all part of God's greater plan.....so good job), keep hatin on Him.
No need to be so hard on yourself. I do debate here, just not with you so much anymore for the reasons I’ve listed. I can honestly say I don’t think there’s a single thing I can learn from you, and anything you could learn from me you would resist just on principle. I think most people who ignore you have come to the same conclusion. Just don’t worry about it.
 
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well there are several assumptions here. How do you know that map is correct, did you walk it out and verify it? I am talking about all of it, not just your usual routes, because that is how a GPS works. IT usually takes off the beaten path. Secondly, how do you know it calculated your route correctly? Did you verify it by external unbiased and provable source? Or do you have faith that the last time you used it it worked out ok? And you confirm that you have faith later, "I can tell they're accurate directions because I end up at the place I am trying to get to." So you trust it. You have faith in it. Trust is faith remember that.
Even though my GPS has failed me occasionally (which, as far as I can tell, was due to malfunctioning or poor connection - not to a flaw in the underlying scientific theory), it usually has excellent results - and it´s not depending on my faith in it. So I am aware that so
Let´s get real: We pick a place we don´t know. 10 people use their GPS to guide them there, you and 9 other believers (which you can select) ask your God to guide you there.
 
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No need to be so hard on yourself. I do debate here, just not with you so much anymore for the reasons I’ve listed. I can honestly say I don’t think there’s a single thing I can learn from you, and anything you could learn from me you would resist just on principle. I think most people who ignore you have come to the same conclusion. Just don’t worry about it.
like I said, whenever you wish to debate honestly, I am here. Mocking is not honest debate.
 
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And I have defeated athiesm...
The only way to defeat atheism is to convince all atheists that a god exists. You have not done that. Atheism has no dogma, it is simply a lack of belief in a god. Your bible says god himself has blinded some so they cannot believe in the gospel. So no, you have not defeated atheism.
 
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like I said, whenever you wish to debate honestly, I am here. Mocking is not honest debate.
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The only way to defeat atheism is to convince all atheists that a god exists. You have not done that. Atheism has no dogma, it is simply a lack of belief in a god. Your bible says god himself has blinded some so they cannot believe in the gospel. So no, you have not defeated atheism.

Is the only way to defeat flat earthism to convince all flat earthers that the earth is round? Or is it just enough to defeat their arguments that it is flat, even if they refuse to accept otherwise?
 
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And I have defeated athiesm, evolution, etc, etc, etc with Gods wisdom via logic alone.
There is no such thing as "Atheism". "Atheist" is merely a label that is put on people who lack a belief in god(s). There is no Atheist scripture or church or tenants or rituals. We are individuals rather than a group, nothing binds us together other than a shared lack of belief in god(s).
The logic goes like this.
Person doesn't believe in any gods.
Person is an atheist.
Where is the logical flaw in that?

You cannot defeat ToE with logic. ToE is a scientific matter and science requires evidence and measurement.

The others don't want God and will come up with every excuse not to see Him.
People are not atheists because of their wants.
They are atheist because of their lack of belief.

I think it's because they love the darkness. When light comes they hate the light.
I often turn the lights on, especially at night time.
Makes it easier to cook, and eat, and read, and play games with the kids.
However, when it is time to sleep, I do prefer the dark.
Even watching movies, I tend to turn the lights down.

This discussion about light and dark is nonsensical.

That is why I speak of Hell fire, and all the things that repulse athiests.
Atheists don't believe in hell fire, its nonsense.

God would rather...
Only the god or god(s) can speak for themselves on what they would rather.

I don't even pray for people here. It's a waste of time.
Agree, prayer doesn't work. You may as well shout at your tv expecting your favourite sports team (or the ref) to do as you tell them.
 
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Yes, because when Google made Google Maps, they made it just for me. No one else uses it.
google maps uses algorithms to determine fastest route, but due to traffic update problems it is usually not accurate. At least in my view. Sometimes it is, but on long trips it does not consider construction or accidents. It's gotten better in the last few years, but what it cannot do is guess how long a traffic accident will take to get through. So all of these things requires faith of the GPS user, that it has the best way or an accurate arival time. I notice when I am driving the arrival time changes, which means it's always correcting itself. The first arrival time is not the same as the end.


Citation required.
As far as my experience, I notice that it will take me the shortest path, but not the fastest as far as speed limits are concerned, so it's not always the fastest.


Because it takes me by the direct roads instead of having me wandering around backroads for hours.

You do understand it shows a diagram of the entire route, yes?
yes I do.


No, it literally requires zero faith. If I tell it to give me directions to my friend's house, say, and I start from my house and end up at my friends house, I do not require faith at all.

Do you trust it? If yes, then you are having faith in it. The number one definition of faith is trust.





Because the electromagnetic waves that phones emit can interfere with sensitive equipment, not because it harms people. Like I said, there is zero reliable evidence that mobile phones cause harm to Humans.



Yeah, I'll wait for the peer reviews. Many times people have complained enough to get perfectly safe things pulled because they erroneously think that they are harmful.
I gave a peer review on my last post, go ahead and read it, it shows half a dozen illnesses that this radiation can cause. In germany schools they have banned them outright because children are more susceptible to the radiation, that was in the article I posted on last post.


First of all, what nut goes around holding their head to a micro weave for five hours?

Secondly, your source states: "It implies that the usage of a cell phone is more than 16 hours a day." So people are using their phones for every single second of their waking hours? Or do they just forego sleep altogether?
I don't think that you need that much exposure, here is a quote "In 2011, NIH research found just 50 minutes of a wireless transmitting device (cell phone) next to the brain increases glucose in the part of the brain most exposed. Preliminary 3G and 4G research has further shown that non-thermal levels of this radiation alter the brain’s electrical activity."

In any case, the website your source is on, Researchgate, is essentially a social media site, not a scientific journal. It does not require fees to publish and is not peer reviewed. In other words, essentially ANYONE can put whatever they want up there.
If you don't like that one, I can find others I am sure, it's not a isolated issue.

this article is not peer reviewed but it mentions how most governments are aware of the problem, the US seems not to care.
Multiple Countries Ban Wifi & Cell Phones Around Schools, Young Children & Fetuses


"There is no established evidence that microwave ovens cause any health effects when used according to the manufacturer's instructions and maintained in good working order." SOURCE
That is because in the instructions it tells you to stand a minimum of a foot away or further
https://www.arpansa.gov.au/understa...ources/more-radiation-sources/microwave-ovens
Your source was most definitely NOT peer reviewed.


Wow, you sure love committing the false equivalence logical fallacy, doncha?

And your conclusion about God is most certainly NOT empirical. You have no objective evidence to support it.
I challenged you to reply to post one on that forum. And you didn't.


Fine.

You said:

"Many people try to prove God's existence with irreducible complexity. But you don't even need to do that. All that is needed is this.... If you have a painting how do you prove there was a painter? It's inherent. If you see something made how do you prove there was a maker that made it? It's inherent. We don't even need to go into intelligence or creationism. I am simply talking about cause and effect. If you see something made, it had a maker, if you see something painted it had a painter. The universe is here. So it boils down to the fact that it made itself from nothing, or something made it. Period. The maker on the other hand would be supernatural, and prexisted time and space. So there was no beginning to the maker. Time is a physical property that requires mass to operate according to Einsteins theory of relativity. If a maker was supernatural (beyond the physical universe), then it would naturally follow that He was beyond time as well. Because of the fact He superseded the physical universe."
This is just the first cause argument, which has been debunked thoroughly. However, since you demand it, I shall debunk it again.

A painter takes pre-existing pigments, pre-existing canvas and a pre-existing brush to create the painting. Every other example you could use has the same limitation: a sculptor uses pre-existing stone and pre-existing tools. All creators take things that already exist to create their works.

So tell me, what pre-existing material did God use to create the universe?

If you claim there was no pre-existing material, then your analogy fails.
There is actually a separate thread for this discussion, if you want copy this reply to post one,
Argument for God's existence.
 
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google maps uses algorithms to determine fastest route, but due to traffic update problems it is usually not accurate. At least in my view. Sometimes it is, but on long trips it does not consider construction or accidents. It's gotten better in the last few years, but what it cannot do is guess how long a traffic accident will take to get through. So all of these things requires faith of the GPS user, that it has the best way or an accurate arival time. I notice when I am driving the arrival time changes, which means it's always correcting itself. The first arrival time is not the same as the end.

This is true, to a degree. However, the problems are not caused by inaccuracies in the software or the maps, but rather the calculations made about conditions - which vary over time. And I've always found the estimated arrival times to be fairly accurate.

As far as my experience, I notice that it will take me the shortest path, but not the fastest as far as speed limits are concerned, so it's not always the fastest.

I'm surprised to hear that, since it seems to factor in speed when calculating routes for me. In any case, your experience is just anecdote, not evidence.

yes I do.

Then how can you claim the map is inaccurate?

Do you trust it? If yes, then you are having faith in it. The number one definition of faith is trust.

And when it comes to religious faith, I would define it as belief without evidence. Which is certainly NOT the case with me using Maps.

I gave a peer review on my last post, go ahead and read it, it shows half a dozen illnesses that this radiation can cause. In germany schools they have banned them outright because children are more susceptible to the radiation, that was in the article I posted on last post.

And as I said, the website you got it from is NOT peer reviewed.

I don't think that you need that much exposure, here is a quote "In 2011, NIH research found just 50 minutes of a wireless transmitting device (cell phone) next to the brain increases glucose in the part of the brain most exposed. Preliminary 3G and 4G research has further shown that non-thermal levels of this radiation alter the brain’s electrical activity."

And let me quote from that article:

"However, whether acute cell phone exposure affects the human brain is unclear."

This fits perfectly with what I have said, and contradicts your claim that there is evidence to show that mobile phones cause illness.

If you don't like that one, I can find others I am sure, it's not a isolated issue.

this article is not peer reviewed but it mentions how most governments are aware of the problem, the US seems not to care.
Multiple Countries Ban Wifi & Cell Phones Around Schools, Young Children & Fetuses

Yeah, I'll wait until you can provide an actual peer reviewed article showing a clear and definitive link between mobile phones and illness.

That is because in the instructions it tells you to stand a minimum of a foot away or further

So you claim they are dangerous because they can cause harm if not used correctly? So what? I can make the same claim about a glass of water by that logic.

I challenged you to reply to post one on that forum. And you didn't.

How about you actually respond to the parts of my post you are quoting?

You are replying to TWO different points I made, namely that your source was not peer reviewed, and that you are pretending that my faith that my GPS will work is functionally identical to your faith in God.

And yet your request that I reply to post one in another thread was not part of either of the points I was responding to.

There is actually a separate thread for this discussion, if you want copy this reply to post one,
Argument for God's existence.

Why should I? The argument you used does not hold up to scrutiny, no matter how much you think it does. I've already demonstrated that. Why should I go and start another discussion with you that I've already shown you have lost? Or do you think think you have an answer to it that I haven't heard before?
 
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well there are several assumptions here. How do you know that map is correct, did you walk it out and verify it? I am talking about all of it, not just your usual routes, because that is how a GPS works. IT usually takes off the beaten path. Secondly, how do you know it calculated your route correctly? Did you verify it by external unbiased and provable source? Or do you have faith that the last time you used it it worked out ok? And you confirm that you have faith later, "I can tell they're accurate directions because I end up at the place I am trying to get to." So you trust it. You have faith in it. Trust is faith remember that.

actually some schools forbid cell phone use because of this very thing, hospitals, airports and other sensitive areas too. It is well documented about cell phone radiation. Wifi is worse, but the new 5G is nearly as bad. Here is one document, but there are several peer reviews, I will find later: Multiple Countries Ban Wifi & Cell Phones Around Schools, Young Children & Fetuses
Cell Phones and Cancer Risk Fact Sheet

that source said non ionizing radiation from microwaves is not harmful too. Which is very innacurate. IF you stuck your head right by the microwave door and sat there for 5 hours for example it would be lit up like a christmas tree with radiation. which they say is perfectly harmless, but not according to this peer review: https://www.researchgate.net/profil...s-of-Cell-Phone-Radiation-on-Human-Health.pdf


now this is not what you said earlier, you quoted a govenrnment site that said microwave radiation was harmless. But I showed a peer review showing otherwise. You are correct here however, the closer to the head the phone is the more radiation you get. Likewise with a microwave.



yes and each time you do it, you are trusting that it will do it again. One time I turned on my GPS, it didn't turn on at all. But I had faith it would, and my faith was wrong. Yes I can say that God exists empirically based on evidence that I know is true, and relay able to anyone who wants, even a child could understand.

just reply to post one.
also here you mention my peer review was not peer review because it was posted to a social media site for scientists not a peer review site, well I fact checked this, and it is was originally from a International Journal of Science and Engineering, which is a peer review organization , their policy for peer review is here: Peer Review & Publication Policy - International Journal of Scientific and Engineering Research. So my peer review article of the dangers of cell phone radiation is after 2015, recent, and it is valid. So again my premise was you have faith that using a cell phone will not give you cancer. And that would be accurate. So having faith in God is no different.
 
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