Question for Sabbatarians

Semper-Fi · Jul 17, 2019

Mercy74 said:
Do you understand that on day 4 the stars
were given authority to mark day and night?

This would require a whole new thread subject.

A dark moon is a "new moon", we arecommanded to observe and celebrate the new moons not new weeks.

The scriptures do not require special observation
for "weekends" or "new weeks".

I never said to not observe a [new moon], nor
did I say to celebrate [a new week] observance.

I was questioning the idea of a mandatory
Sabbath on every 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th day
from a new moon.

or "Counting from the new moon, and cele-
brating every seventh day as a "holy-day"

Have you ever heard of this idea?
Or is this done in the bible?
-

I believe the bible says to remember the Sabbath.
That it is in the end of the week, or last day of.

Adam and Eve were not Jewish, when “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it.”
(Genesis 2:3)

Sanctified means “to be set apart for holy use.”
This was pre-sin and the only ones in Eden to
“Sanctify” the Sabbath then were Adam and Eve.
-

The Babylonian language was in use hundreds
of years before the Hebrew race. That language
designated the seventh day of the week as
“sa-ba-tu”, meaning rest day.

That 7th day Sabbath was spread into most
of the whole world at the tower of babel.

The Sabbath was not and is not exclusively Jewish.
The seventh day of the week is called the “Sabbath”
in the majority of principal languages in the world.
(English names are of pagan origin)

Is there [any language] which designates
another day as the “day of rest.” ?

klutedavid · Jul 17, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
Yes a new moon festival every month . But
I fail to see [and you have not provided] in Gods commands to keep the 7th day , 14 day, 21 day,
and 28 day of every month as a Sabbath day.

The verse you posted only refers to the second day of the month, as the second day of the month,
nothing more, not a command to keep anything.

If I say I celebrated the 4th day of the month,
this does not make the 7th day holy.

New testament says [on the first day of the week]
everyone knows this refers to the day we call Sunday.

Everyone knows this happens once a week, just like
the 7th day Sabbath happens once a week[Saturday].

Is the second day of the new moon actually another day of some week?

Is the second day of the new moon in the first week of the lunar month?

Is the second day of the new moon at all related to the seventh day of the new moon?

Is there any relationship between the second day of the new moon and the fifteenth day of the new moon?

Semper-Fi · Jul 17, 2019

klutedavid said:
Is the second day of the new moon actually another day of some week?

Is the second day of the new moon in the first week of the lunar month?

Is the second day of the new moon at all related to the seventh day of the new moon?

Is there any relationship between the second day of the new moon and the fifteenth day of the new moon?

Still looking for any bible verse you can give.

So do you keep these Sabbaths?
And what is the significance to you?

pasifika · Jul 17, 2019

mmksparbud said:
No---the Israelites never took the message to the world---the Apostles did! And circumcision then became no longer needed as the sign for His people for
Rom_2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

All 1st Christians were Jews. But as a nation the Jews did not deliver the message to the world---and they still do not. As a nation they rejected the Messiah and now only some Jews accept Him. More will do so.

Hello, so the apostles are not Israelites?? In the New testament you have All Israelites bringing the message of the Good news to the whole world...eg; The Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) are base on the teaching of Jesus, then you have Paul, James Peter and John etc these people are All Israelites...

So when you read the book of Romans, 1&2Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Phillipians etc or Book of James, 1&2 Peter, 1,2 and 3 John or Revelation...you are reading their words or their teaching and they are All descendants of Israel bringing the Good news to Us...

Romans 10:18, ..." But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
" Their voices has gone out into All the Earth, their words to the ENDS OF THE WORLD...

klutedavid · Jul 17, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
Still looking for any bible verse you can give.

So do you keep these Sabbaths?
And what is the significance to you?

As I said before the day count is from the observation of the new moon.

So the Sabbath days in a lunar month occur on the seventh, the fourteenth, the twenty first and twenty eighth days.

Exodus 12:16-20
On the first day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them, except what must be eaten by every person, that alone may be prepared by you. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land. You shall not eat anything leavened; in all your dwellings you shall eat unleavened bread.

On the first day and on the seventh day no work is done, they are rest days.

In the first month on the fourteenth day and the twenty first day, notice the day count is from the start of the month.

We know from Samuel that the day count is from the new moon occurrence. So the seventh day above is the seventh day of the new moon.

mmksparbud · Jul 17, 2019

pasifika said:
Hello, so the apostles are not Israelites?? In the New testament you have All Israelites bringing the message of the Good news to the whole world...eg; The Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) are base on the teaching of Jesus, then you have Paul, James Peter and John etc these people are All Israelites...

So when you read the book of Romans, 1&2Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Phillipians etc or Book of James, 1&2 Peter, 1,2 and 3 John or Revelation...you are reading their words or their teaching and they are All descendants of Israel bringing the Good news to Us...

Romans 10:18, ..." But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
" Their voices has gone out into All the Earth, their words to the ENDS OF THE WORLD...

I did not say they weren't!!! You're all so busy trying to find fault you do not even read what I say. I clearly stated all first Christians were Jews!

Semper-Fi · Jul 17, 2019

klutedavid said:
As I said before the day count is from the observation of the new moon.

So the Sabbath days in a lunar month occur on the seventh, the fourteenth, the twenty first and twenty eighth days.

Exodus 12:16-20
On the first day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them, except what must be eaten by every person, that alone may be prepared by you. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land. You shall not eat anything leavened; in all your dwellings you shall eat unleavened bread.

On the first day and on the seventh day no work is done, they are rest days.

In the first month on the fourteenth day and the twenty first day, notice the day count is from the start of the month.

We know from Samuel that the day count is from the new moon occurrence. So the seventh day above is the seventh day of the new moon.

You are now confusing the 7th day weekly Sabbath, With Gods 7 Holy day Convocations.

Two very separate items.

Semper-Fi · Jul 17, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
You are now confusing the 7th day weekly Sabbath, With Gods 7 Holy day Convocations.

Two very separate items.

Lev. discusses how to observe these 7
feast day of Gods. But nothing there to
tell us how to figure a regular weekly Sabbath day.

Only thing is said to remember the 7th day,
it was in effect back in the garden of Eden

klutedavid · Jul 17, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
You are now confusing the 7th day weekly Sabbath, With Gods 7 Holy day Convocations.

Two very separate items.

Your not reading the verses carefully enough.

No, the seventh day was a day of rest.

On the first day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them...

This was not a holy convocation. The holy convocation starts on the second Sabbath day i.e., the fourteenth day. That is the feast of unleavened bread which runs for seven days and ends on the third Sabbath, i.e., the twenty first day.

klutedavid · Jul 17, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
Lev. discusses how to observe these 7
feast day of Gods. But nothing there to
tell us how to figure a regular weekly Sabbath day.

Only thing is said to remember the 7th day,
it was in effect back in the garden of Eden

Your told how the Hebrews counted the days in Samuel. They count from the new moon day, after all they followed lunar months.

What is it that you do not understand?

Mercy74 · Jul 17, 2019

klutedavid said:
You have no idea what day of the papal week the following verse is indicating. The reason is simple; because you do not follow a lunar calendar and you cannot convert that day.

1 Samuel 20:27
It came about the next day, the second day of the new moon, that David’s place was empty; so Saul said to Jonathan his son, “Why has the son of Jesse not come to the meal, either yesterday or today?”

In no uncertain terms are we told exactly the day of the week in the verse above. It was the second day of the week, the second day of the new moon.

That is the proof verse.

Unless you can convert that day into a papal calendar day, you have lost the argument.

You can be rest assured that on the seventh day of the new moon the Sabbath will take place.

I think we can agree that the moon is not a source of light instead the moon reflects light from the sun. YHWH called the light "day" therefore only the bright and morning star light can mark the Sabbatth day not a "dark moon". In the other words the "new moon" can only begin a "new month" not a new week. There was "light" the first day; there was no mention of sun or moon, the first day essentially begins a new week. When YHWH created the stars and moon on day 4; did He then rest 7 days later?

Mercy74 · Jul 17, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
This would require a whole new thread subject.

I never said to not observe a [new moon], nor
did I say to celebrate [a new week] observance.

I was questioning the idea of a mandatory
Sabbath on every 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th day
from a new moon.

or "Counting from the new moon, and cele-
brating every seventh day as a "holy-day"

Have you ever heard of this idea?
Or is this done in the bible?
-

I believe the bible says to remember the Sabbath.
That it is in the end of the week, or last day of.

Adam and Eve were not Jewish, when “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it.”
(Genesis 2:3)

Sanctified means “to be set apart for holy use.”
This was pre-sin and the only ones in Eden to
“Sanctify” the Sabbath then were Adam and Eve.
-

The Babylonian language was in use hundreds
of years before the Hebrew race. That language
designated the seventh day of the week as
“sa-ba-tu”, meaning rest day.

That 7th day Sabbath was spread into most
of the whole world at the tower of babel.

The Sabbath was not and is not exclusively Jewish.
The seventh day of the week is called the “Sabbath”
in the majority of principal languages in the world.
(English names are of pagan origin)

Is there [any language] which designates
another day as the “day of rest.” ?

YHWH rested on the seventh day; not 7 days after the new moon.

Semper-Fi · Jul 17, 2019

klutedavid said:
Your not reading the verses carefully enough.

No, the seventh day was a day of rest.

On the first day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them...

This was not a holy convocation. The holy convocation starts on the second Sabbath day i.e., the fourteenth day. That is the feast of unleavened bread which runs for seven days and ends on the third Sabbath, i.e., the twenty first day.

the feast of unleavened bread is a annual holy
convocation, it starts on the 15th day of Nissan.

The first day[15th] was a high holy day[no work]
it lasted 7 days, another high holy day on the last
day[22]. the day changed every year.

Passover is on the 14th of Nissan every year.

Nothing in those verses talk about
the regular weekly Sabbath day.

pasifika · Jul 17, 2019

mmksparbud said:
I did not say they weren't!!! You're all so busy trying to find fault you do not even read what I say. I clearly stated all first Christians were Jews!

Hello, I'm not trying to find fault...I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm just responding to your post #208.
We are discussing, sharing ... Only God is to be praise and Glorify..

mmksparbud · Jul 17, 2019

CHRISTIANS WERE JEWS!!

pasifika said:
Hello, I'm not trying to find fault...I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm just responding to your post #208.
We are discussing, sharing ... Only God is to be praise and Glorify..

Then please read all of the post before jumping to conclusions. Not asking for either praise nor glory!

Semper-Fi · Jul 17, 2019

Mercy74 said:
YHWH rested on the seventh day; not 7 days after the new moon.

Yes I agree, thank you for info and reply.

The seventh day after the new moon is
not one of Gods Sabbath days.

klutedavid is saying we are to observe a 7th day
Sabbath from the [new moon] every month,
but I have yet to see any evidence for this.

Semper-Fi · Jul 17, 2019

klutedavid said:
Your told how the Hebrews counted the days in Samuel.

They count from the new moon day,
after all they followed lunar months.

I have no problem keeping track like that.
I can say I did fireworks on the 4th of the month.
Or that Saul has a apointment on 25th day of month.

Everyone every where does a form of this.
How else could anyone set any date then.

But back to that one verse in Samuel.

All it says is that day Saul asked about David,
it was the 2nd day after the new moon period.

The week unit is not mentioned ,
nor any Sabbath day, nor a 7th day,
this is not a command to keep anything.

This does not tell us how to figure when
a weekly Sabbath occurs, still waiting for
a verse to say so, I never seen one.

What is it that you do not understand?

I can't believe I am here defending not to keep a
Sabbath. Only reason I do is that it is not in the bible.

So do you keep these 7th day moon Sabbaths?
And what is the significance to you?

My ques is you have never keep any of Gods
Sabbaths, weekly or yearly, and you are just
here to make the Sabbaths look wrong.
-

Pentacost - Leviticus 23:15 (KJV)
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after
the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf
of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

one day plus 7 Sabbaths equals 50 days.

Semper-Fi · Jul 17, 2019

Sabbath - Wikipedia
Sabbath (/ˈsæbəθ/) (Hebrew: שַׁבָּת‎) is
a day set aside for rest and worship.

According to the Book of Exodus the Sabbath is a day of rest on the seventh day, commanded by God to be kept as a holy day of rest, as God rested from creation.

Christianity
Main article: Sabbath in Christianity
See also: Gregorian calendar
In Eastern Christianity, the Sabbath is considered still
to be on Saturday,the seventh day, in remembrance
of the Hebrew Sabbath.

[New moon]

Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon[citation needed] citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts.

Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.

[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical.[citation needed] The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

klutedavid · Jul 18, 2019

Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon[citation needed] citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts.

They are not modern sects that base the Sabbath on the new moon, they are the original sect.

Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.

That is according to the lunar calendar and is correct, if and only if, you include the new moon day.

[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical.[citation needed] The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

No one can say that the Sabbaths are not counted from the new moon. The scripture appears to support strongly the idea that the new moon was the start of the lunar monthly count.

What you need to do is explain why in any given year you honor two more Sabbaths, than someone following a lunar calendar. Since a lunar year is eleven days shorter than the solar year.

klutedavid · Jul 18, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
I have no problem keeping track like that.
I can say I did fireworks on the 4th of the month.
Or that Saul has a apointment on 25th day of month.

Everyone every where does a form of this.
How else could anyone set any date then.

But back to that one verse in Samuel.

All it says is that day Saul asked about David,
it was the 2nd day after the new moon period.

The week unit is not mentioned ,
nor any Sabbath day, nor a 7th day,
this is not a command to keep anything.

This does not tell us how to figure when
a weekly Sabbath occurs, still waiting for
a verse to say so, I never seen one.

I can't believe I am here defending not to keep a
Sabbath. Only reason I do is that it is not in the bible.

So do you keep these 7th day moon Sabbaths?
And what is the significance to you?

My ques is you have never keep any of Gods
Sabbaths, weekly or yearly, and you are just
here to make the Sabbaths look wrong.
-

Pentacost - Leviticus 23:15 (KJV)
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after
the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf
of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

one day plus 7 Sabbaths equals 50 days.

The point of the quotation below.

1 Samuel 20:27
It came about the next day, the second day of the new moon, that David’s place was empty.

Is not a Sabbath command and that is obvious.

What this verse tells us is that the day count was centered on the new moon. It is painfully obvious that they counted out the month from the new moon.

The papal calendar of a year of 52 consecutive weeks did not exist in this era. The lunar calendar had only 12 months of four week blocks.

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